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Tourmaline Sep 9, 2015 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7157269)


The former site of the Hotel Redondo is now Veterans Park.



A thoughtful article on Redondo Beach redevelopment from Easy Reader News is here. (Everybody's sick of condos and malls, but no one knows what to do. People long for a sense of place and an "Old Town Redondo", but it's too late for that, everything's been torn down, even the streets are gone.)


:hmmm:


Aviation High> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviati...8California%29
http://www.barrsam.com/Photos/AHSDEMO/Lund_01.jpghttp://www.barrsam.com/Photos/AHSDEMO/Lund_01.jpg

Flyingwedge Sep 9, 2015 6:18 PM

Lloyd Wright and his Wayfarer's Chapel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7155106)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-D...52355%2BPM.jpg


I've been to Wayfarers Chapel more times than I can count. My parents always took house guests there as it was relatively nearby.

Wayfarer's Chapel under construction in Palos Verdes, April 27, 1951.

This is looking mostly west:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...i.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...coll44/id/4399

Is that a 1951 Nash pulling up to the construction site?
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...coll44/id/4400

Mrs. Elizabeth S. Schellenberg and Lloyd Wright outside the chapel entrance:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...c.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...coll44/id/4402

Lloyd Wright closeup:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...t.jpg~original

Wayfarer's Chapel entrance, June 2012:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...r.jpg~original
Photo by me

Frank Lloyd Wright as the mystery guest on an episode of What's My Line: https://youtu.be/d0H4z64yicc (he signs in at the 3:10 mark)

Wright comments on the studio's awful acoustics; guests couldn't hear the panelists, and they couldn't hear the guests. I've watched a lot of these segments and this problem apparently went on for years, although Wright was the only guest I saw who pointed it out.

Not to spoil the clip, but panelist Dorothy Kilgallen sort of accidently guesses Wright's identity. What was her appeal? She seems very unappealing. She often whined about the rules, or being confused, or not being able to hear.

Tourmaline Sep 9, 2015 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7157892)
Wayfarer's Chapel under construction in Palos Verdes, April 27, 1951.

This is looking mostly west:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...i.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...coll44/id/4399



Indirectly related.
The Farmery.
http://150181474.homesconnect.com/Ac...a079af5abe.jpghttp://150181474.homesconnect.com/Ac...a079af5abe.jpg




Not unlike columnists Walt Winchell and Louella Parsons, Dorothy Kilgallen's pen and mouth wielded significant heft. Her personal life was every bit as controversial. Evidently co-panelists on the referenced program shared your opinions.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Kilgallen

tovangar2 Sep 9, 2015 7:01 PM

Frank Lloyd Wright and Dorothy Kilgallen
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7157892)
Frank Lloyd Wright as the first mystery guest on What's My Line: https://youtu.be/d0H4z64yicc (he signs in at the 3:10 mark)

Wright comments on the studio's awful acoustics; guests couldn't hear the panelists, and they couldn't hear the guests. I've watched a lot of these segments and this problem apparently went on for years, although Wright was the only guest I saw who pointed it out.

Not to spoil the clip, but panelist Dorothy Kilgallen sort of accidently guesses Wright's identity. What was her appeal? She seems very unappealing. She often whined about the rules, or being confused, or not being able to hear.




Thx for the FLW/"What's My Line?" clip. OMG, when worlds collide.

I liked Kilgallen plenty. I'm not sure why. Maybe b/c she was very outspoken and didn't seem to be making any efforts at being society's idea of a "good girl".
She was also a New Yorker and reminded me of The New Yorker, a magazine I was devoted to.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8...14747%2BAM.jpg
wiki

Thx too for the early shots of 'The Little Glass Church' (as I always called it). Other PV destinations were Marineland of the Pacific and my summer camp at Portuguese Bend.

ethereal_reality Sep 9, 2015 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7157330)
I don't think CBS Columbia Square ( William Lescaze, 1938) has been mentioned. It bridges Streamline Moderne and the International Style.


Just this afternoon I came across this unique vintage photograph that shows a large parking lot directly across from CBS Columbia Square.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/RtLMWr.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-KODACH...item2ca15fe70b





I've never noticed the Jump n' Jive Record Shop before. (is that a clock on the roof?...it seems odd)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/NQr7fR.jpg
detail




that rusty jalopy really stands out from the rest of the cars.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/VYFMsL.jpg
detail


I'd really like to see a vintage aerial or two that shows Columbia Square and the parking lot. (hint ;)) It makes me wonder what was there before the lot.
or if the Jump n' Jive record shop shows up in any aerials. I doubt it was there for very long.

Today the site of the parking lot is a shmall called 'Gower Gulch' with a Rite-Aid and various other shops.

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tovangar2 Sep 9, 2015 8:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7158027)
Just this afternoon I came across this fantastic photograph that shows a parking lot directly across from CBS Columbia Square.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/RtLMWr.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-KODACH...item2ca15fe70b

The cars have changed and the 'Jump-n-Jive' is gone, but the 2011 view is amazingly similar. The Gower Gulch strip mall has been in place for about 45 years and is well maintained.

I recall that much salvaged timber, from the old Pacific Ocean Pier, was used in building it

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E...12814%2BPM.jpg
gsv

ethereal_reality Sep 9, 2015 8:49 PM

:previous: It's too bad those small trees hide the main entrance to Columbia Square. See how much better it looks in the vintage photo,
when you could see the CBS sign over entrance and the thin horizontal line of windows.
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HossC Sep 9, 2015 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7158027)

I'd really like to see a vintage aerial or two that shows Columbia Square and the parking lot. (hint ;)) It makes me wonder what was there before the lot.
or if the Jump n' Jive record shop shows up in any aerials. I doubt it was there for very long.

Today the site of the parking lot is a shmall called 'Gower Gulch' with a Rite-Aid and various other shops.

All the aerials below show Columbia Square in the top-right corner, with the parking lot across Sunset. I didn't spot the Jump n' Jive Record Shop in any of them, but maybe someone else can. In the first view from 1948, the NBC Studios are the large white building just above Sunset on the left, with the circular drive-in below it.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

The 1952 view is virtually identical to the one above, so I've skipped ahead to 1964. Sadly, both the NBC Studios and the drive-in have gone. Notice that the area above the CBS Studios near Selma is now about 50% parking lot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

By 1972 the developments on the NBC Studios and drive-in sites is complete. The area above the CBS Studios is now all parking lot. This is the last image that shows the parking lot south of Sunset before the mall.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

The mall is visible on the 1977 image, but it's not very clear. I decided to go with the similar 1980 image instead.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

I'll finish with this angled view from the Aerials Over Hollywood video which is from the mid-40s. Columbia Square is roughly in the center at the top. A bit of the Taft Building is just visible in the lower left corner.
NB. The video is well worth watching, but some/all of the footage is mirrored, which can be confusing.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...H.jpg~original
archive.org

tovangar2 Sep 9, 2015 10:57 PM

Columbia Square development
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7158071)
:previous: It's too bad those small trees hide the main entrance to Columbia Square. Look how much better it looks in the vintage photo,
when you could see the CBS sign over entrance and the thin horizontal line of windows.

That's all been torn out:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--...33555%2BPM.jpg
gsv

(Sorry, I should have noted that when one enters the Gower Gulch parking lot, gvs automatically turns back to 2011)


More info on the development:

la.curbed

la.curbed archive on Columbia Square

Columbia Square official site

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N...35103%2BPM.jpg
columbia square

ethereal_reality Sep 9, 2015 11:05 PM

:previous: That's good to know t2.
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Thanks for the aerials Hoss!!

Now I am interested in this hodge-podge of buildings just north (and behind) Columbia Square.

1948
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/tdT1eR.jpg
aerial detai/ HossC



by 1952, the western half of the buildings in this square block are gone .

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/zPZ5hw.jpg
aerial detail/ HossC



by 1972, a single building remains.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...913/AtGmML.jpg
aerial detail/ HossC




and it remains alone in 1980.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...661/OfweJ5.jpg
aerial detail/ HossC




Luckily, I found the lone hold-out building in this 2007 street view!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/9673tV.jpg
gsv

I thought it might give a clue as to what the other buildings on the block might have looked like.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...903/GGn9Zr.jpg
gsv






by 2009, it's gone too.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/LnLHGT.jpg
gsv
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thx again for the aerials Hoss! I appreciate it.

tovangar2 Sep 10, 2015 12:45 AM

Columbia Square development
 
Here's the sequence e_r:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-A...52634%2BPM.jpg
hollywood photographs

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...52822%2BPM.jpg
gsv

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-o...53118%2BPM.jpg
columbiasquare.com

The first developer wanted to destroy Columbia Square. He finally relented but planned enormous towers, which would have overwhelmed the Lescaze complex. He came a cropper and sold out to the current developer for $65 million (a good price). Now the whole project is massively scaled back, which is great. I heard Viacom is taking two of the new buildings and others are interested. Columbia Square looks to be set for success. What a cliffhanger.


P.S.

Here's Columbia Square's own 'then and now(ish)':

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...62618%2BPM.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E...62620%2BPM.jpg

Tourmaline Sep 10, 2015 1:18 AM



There were many Biff's, including 7th Street, Yucca, Sunset, Crenshaw and Wilshire (below). Affiliated with Tiny Naylors.



Wilshire and McCarty Drive. Date unk. ('50s)
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/21310/rec/1





http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0






http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT=DMROTATE=0





http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2287/2...12b_z.jpg?zz=1http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2287/2...12b_z.jpg?zz=1





http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ESS7DccQ09...0/IMG_2262.PNGhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ESS7DccQ09...0/IMG_2262.PNG





http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/013...g?v=1402770085http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/013...g?v=1402770085




http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/013...g?v=1402770085http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/013...g?v=1402770085

Matt Maxwell Sep 10, 2015 1:21 AM

Thanks much, folks! I'll see what I can fit in. Hitting the Esotouric tour in the morning on Saturday, trying to get in on the Museum of Neon art in the evening, but just on the waiting list for that.

ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2015 1:44 AM

:previous: Have a great time in L.A. Matt!

-looking forward to seeing your photographs.
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ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2015 2:10 AM

Mid-Century Modern.


"LLOYDS BANK, ALHAMBRA 1960s"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/VsoFAp.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960s-LLOYDS...item20ffb18af0



I thought this was an entirely different building until I noticed the two surviving mid-century light fixtures. (red arrows)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/DER8hQ.jpg
gsv

I wonder what they did with the other five?
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ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2015 2:52 AM

'mystery' cyanotype, 1909.

What a beautiful building!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/61JwN7.jpg
eBay


reverse / info.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/at34VI.jpg

:previous: "Gulf Club".....did they mean to write Golf Club?....and what's L.P.?

There's an Annandale Golf Club in Pasadena, http://www.annandalegolf.com/html/
but none of the buildings look like this.

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ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2015 3:12 AM

immersed in fabric.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/hPBKb2.jpg
eBay

:previous: they appear to be sisters. -possibly twins?



reverse (it's difficult to read)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...913/t6Diab.jpg

:previous: Byou(?) Studio, 221(?) South Spring Street, Los Angeles Cal
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CityBoyDoug Sep 10, 2015 3:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7158027)
Just this afternoon I came across this unique vintage photograph that shows a large parking lot directly across from CBS Columbia Square.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/RtLMWr.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-KODACH...item2ca15fe70b

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Those jazzy Cadillacs really made the 1950s so ''se vanter''.


Flyingwedge Sep 10, 2015 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7158453)
'mystery' cyanotype, 1909.

What a beautiful building!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/61JwN7.jpg
eBay


reverse / info.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/at34VI.jpg

:previous: "Gulf Club".....did they mean to write Golf Club?....and what's L.P.?

There's an Annandale Golf Club in Pasadena, http://www.annandalegolf.com/html/
but none of the buildings look like this.

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"L. P." may have stood for Lamanda Park, which became part of Pasadena, although that's not where Annandale is.

This is from Pasadena, California: The Ideal Home City (Pasadena Board of Trade, c. 1913). It describes
the Annandale course as being just west of the city (Pasadena):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...4.jpg~original
HathiTrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...iew=1up;seq=24

According to Pasadena, California by J. W. Wood (1917), these photos show the 1907-17 Annandale Clubhouse:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...j.jpg~original
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...g.jpg~original
Hathitrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...ew=1up;seq=579

Otis Criblecoblis Sep 10, 2015 4:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7155725)
Seeley's Furniture Store, corner of Brand Boulevard and San Fernando Road, Glendale CA.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/hh943q.jpg
http://www.crescentavalleyweekly.com.../RMF_0095a.jpg

The building, located at 1800 S. Brand Blvd., was built in Spanish Baroque style in 1925 as a bank. George Seeley took over the building in 1931 for his furniture store.
It was remodeled in the 1940s to have a more art deco/streamline modern design.

Seeley's Furniture remained in business for over 60 years.

Does anyone remember buying furniture at Seeley's?

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We never bought furniture there, but I've admired that building for fifty years now. What I love about the building is the clock. Because of it, I've always called this place "Georgy Seele".

I haven't been by there for a while, but last time I passed by, it was still being rented out as a film location (or at least the sign advertising that was still on the door).


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