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F1 Tommy Jan 1, 2020 9:46 PM

Two angles just up looking at 320 South Canal Street. Happy New Year.

https://app.oxblue.com/open/clarkcon...erconstruction

HomrQT Jan 2, 2020 3:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Koodoo25 (Post 8788109)
I would have added the drawing earlier but it wasn't actually added to the database until this week.

The Chicago diagram/database is kind of a mess at the moment. A lot of buildings are listed as U/C when they've been completed, Proposed when they're well above ground, etc. Not only that, but lots and lots of heights are incorrect as well. The height of a building can be revised so many times during planning and construction and the diagrams section can't always keep up with it.

Every once in a while I try to request corrections and new buildings, but the sheer amount of requests that would need to be sent in to fix everything is rather daunting.

No worries. The effort you've done on the huge amount of models you've put into that database is incredible. I'm a huge fan of your work.

rivernorthlurker Jan 2, 2020 3:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koodoo25 (Post 8788109)
I would have added the drawing earlier but it wasn't actually added to the database until this week.

The Chicago diagram/database is kind of a mess at the moment. A lot of buildings are listed as U/C when they've been completed, Proposed when they're well above ground, etc. Not only that, but lots and lots of heights are incorrect as well. The height of a building can be revised so many times during planning and construction and the diagrams section can't always keep up with it.

Every once in a while I try to request corrections and new buildings, but the sheer amount of requests that would need to be sent in to fix everything is rather daunting.

Great to hear from you Koodoo :worship:

What is the process (if any) for updating the building statuses/heights? Seems like whoever's 'in charge' doesn't have any time for it these days.

Also - do you have any idea what causes the 'default' diagram for a building to be displayed? Seems like right now it's just the most recent upload basically.

Skyguy_7 Jan 2, 2020 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chisouthside (Post 8787878)
:banana::banana::banana::banana:

Your enthusiasm is appreciated, 'Southside. :cheers:

I know everyone was busy with the holidays; but too busy to allow more than a single banana post to celebrate the official start of a 50-floor, 727ft, full-block office tower? How spoiled have we become??? This is a once-in-a-generation boom! Cmon guys.

What a time to be alive!

:banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana:
:banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana:
:banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana:
:banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana:

HomrQT Jan 2, 2020 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8788565)
This is a once-in-a-generation boom!

Don't say that! Don't jinx us like that! We're going to do another run like this in 2024!!!

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3ab8...c853/tenor.gif

Koodoo25 Jan 2, 2020 2:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 8788446)
Great to hear from you Koodoo :worship:

What is the process (if any) for updating the building statuses/heights? Seems like whoever's 'in charge' doesn't have any time for it these days.

Also - do you have any idea what causes the 'default' diagram for a building to be displayed? Seems like right now it's just the most recent upload basically.

I don't keep super close track of all the changes so I can't say for certain... but I think sometimes the editors make additions and corrections themselves, although usually it's done by request. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of buildings that are proposed and built every year, so I can't blame the people in charge if they can't keep up with it. Sometimes I do wish it was possible to submit new buildings/changes through a more structured, streamlined form similar to how you submit new drawings, because the current system is definitely slow and tedious.

Sometimes buildings are added early on in the planning stage. Other times, they'd prefer to wait for the details to get settled out, permits approved, etc before adding the building to the diagram. I think it depends on the editor and the building. The line between "vision" and "proposal" can be blurry sometimes, which can make the admins hesitant to add new projects right away.

As for which drawing gets to be the default: the editors pick which drawing they want to be the primary diagram. How they decide which drawing is best is up to them.

aaron38 Jan 2, 2020 6:50 PM

:banana: :dancing: :awesome: :dancing: :banana:

I'm excited for this one. It'll be a year from now but I'll have great sightlines on this one from Oak Brook. Just 311 in the background, so it'll stand out nicely.

AMWChicago Jan 3, 2020 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 8787159)
Site from above. This parcel is massive on a side note.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMfGp-cXkAAJHNX.jpg:large
Credit: Chicago Cityscape


Exactly! This image gives you the shear scale of this project. Unfortunately the height puts this on the media backburner, but I feel like the potential of this tower is immense. This corner of the West Loop has always felt like the misfit of the CBD. Sears was an attempt to give the West side of the Loop and elite and impactful status. BMO may prove to anchor Union Station and this portion of the West Loop and drive future development. Very exciting!!! :banana: :dancing: :banana:

SolarWind Jan 3, 2020 2:31 AM

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pianowizard Jan 3, 2020 8:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMWChicago (Post 8789143)
BMO may prove to anchor Union Station and this portion of the West Loop and drive future development. Very exciting!!!

Yes, I just realized that BMO will be the tallest building this far west of Sears, since the slightly taller River Point and 150 North Riverside are both a block east of BMO. Chicago's skyscraper zone is slowly expanding westward! It would be wonderful if 725 W Randolph gets built.

rivernorthlurker Jan 4, 2020 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koodoo25 (Post 8788597)
I don't keep super close track of all the changes so I can't say for certain... but I think sometimes the editors make additions and corrections themselves, although usually it's done by request. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of buildings that are proposed and built every year, so I can't blame the people in charge if they can't keep up with it. Sometimes I do wish it was possible to submit new buildings/changes through a more structured, streamlined form similar to how you submit new drawings, because the current system is definitely slow and tedious.

Sometimes buildings are added early on in the planning stage. Other times, they'd prefer to wait for the details to get settled out, permits approved, etc before adding the building to the diagram. I think it depends on the editor and the building. The line between "vision" and "proposal" can be blurry sometimes, which can make the admins hesitant to add new projects right away.

As for which drawing gets to be the default: the editors pick which drawing they want to be the primary diagram. How they decide which drawing is best is up to them.

I see - thank you for some insight into the process. Maybe I will submit some correction requests and see if we can't get things a little more current.

harryc Jan 5, 2020 1:36 PM

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kolchak Jan 5, 2020 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 8790099)
I see - thank you for some insight into the process. Maybe I will submit some correction requests and see if we can't get things a little more current.

Thanks as well. I would really love to see the diagram page updated to include this as UC but also to remove several buildings (465 North Park, One South Halsted for example) from 'UC' to 'completed.'

Between this and the Old Post Office I am also looking forward to seeing some new restaurants and bars open along the Canal Street corridor.

TheKeenEye Jan 8, 2020 8:26 PM

Jan 8th Update
 
I am back for weekly update. Here are some pix from my lunch stroll. Very active site with lots of movement.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...30e0536b_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...29737af5_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...54a4ac80_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3b71b7e4_b.jpg

Cheers,
Franusch

SteelMonkey Jan 9, 2020 3:28 AM

^ Thanks for posting :cheers:

SolarWind Jan 14, 2020 2:31 AM

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akbussey Jan 20, 2020 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 8788565)
Your enthusiasm is appreciated, 'Southside. :cheers:

I know everyone was busy with the holidays; but too busy to allow more than a single banana post to celebrate the official start of a 50-floor, 727ft, full-block office tower? How spoiled have we become??? This is a once-in-a-generation boom! Cmon guys.

What a time to be alive!

:banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana:
:banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana:
:banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana:
:banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana::dancing::banana:


Is it really a full block with the transit center space being what it is?

Randomguy34 Jan 20, 2020 9:59 PM

^ Also the park takes up half the site, so including the transit center this tower a little more than a quarter of the block. Still a great tower, but not as imposing as it could be

KWillChicago Jan 20, 2020 11:51 PM

^yeah I love the green space being added to the area but if the tower took up the whole block aside from the transit hub it would be massive.

Skyguy_7 Jan 20, 2020 11:57 PM

Ooook good job fact-checking, guys. Obviously it’s not a full block. The photos show that. Feels like a full-block construction site to me.

akbussey Jan 22, 2020 9:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KWillChicago (Post 8805918)
^yeah I love the green space being added to the area but if the tower took up the whole block aside from the transit hub it would be massive.

Like a modern day AON

Steely Dan Jan 22, 2020 9:25 PM

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Originally Posted by akbussey (Post 8808254)
Like a modern day AON

aon doesn't come anywhere close to taking up its entire block either.

there's lots of open plaza space on all sides of its base: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pa...5!4d-80.034783

measuring off of gmaps (so not the pinnacle of accuracy) aon's footprint is roughly 190' x 190', BMO's footprint is around 280' x 140'.

akbussey Jan 23, 2020 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 8808267)
aon doesn't come anywhere close to taking up its entire block either.

there's lots of open plaza space on all sides of its base: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pa...5!4d-80.034783

measuring off of gmaps (so not the pinnacle of accuracy) aon's footprint is roughly 190' x 190', BMO's footprint is around 280' x 140'.

Going on a vacation to Parry Sound?

I am amazed at how huge AON seems just due to its lack of any setbacks considering how much of the block it left free for park space.

Wonder if BMO will have this same effect?

PleasantlyMidway Jan 28, 2020 5:42 PM

I hear that they may be adding floors to this tower like they did with 110 to accommodate more tenants...

Chisouthside Jan 28, 2020 5:48 PM

Nice,
Also walked by the construction site yesterday around 5pm and there's already alot of increased activity from people leaving work at the OPO. When this opens its gonna be super activated even more in that area. Hopefully theres some development on Harrison as it looks dumpy east of Canal.

lakeshoredrive Jan 28, 2020 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PleasantlyMidway (Post 8813745)
I hear that they may be adding floors to this tower like they did with 110 to accommodate more tenants...

would be nice if this one got to 800 ft ;)

Zapatan Jan 28, 2020 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PleasantlyMidway (Post 8813745)
I hear that they may be adding floors to this tower like they did with 110 to accommodate more tenants...

Nice, where did you hear this?

The Lurker Jan 28, 2020 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PleasantlyMidway (Post 8813745)
I hear that they may be adding floors to this tower like they did with 110 to accommodate more tenants...

Hopefully they don't remove a setback like at 110. Might as well just add another whole tier to the design. The demand clearly exists for another supertall office tower in Chicago. After this building plus Salesforce tower come onto the market we will have witnessed the absorption of something like 10 MSF of new office space in this area of downtown in just 6 or 7 years. And that doesn't include Fulton Market

HomrQT Jan 29, 2020 5:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lurker (Post 8814162)
Hopefully they don't remove a setback like at 110. Might as well just add another whole tier to the design. The demand clearly exists for another supertall office tower in Chicago. After this building plus Salesforce tower come onto the market we will have witnessed the absorption of something like 10 MSF of new office space in this area of downtown in just 6 or 7 years. And that doesn't include Fulton Market

I remember in the mid to late 2000's there was ALOT of talk across the country about office spaces becoming obsolete and almost everyone working from home. But with the quality of some of these buildings and companies establishing more of a work/life balance, people seem to be hungrier than ever to work in a downtown office.

Steely Dan Jan 29, 2020 5:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lakeshoredrive (Post 8813867)
would be nice if this one got to 800 ft ;)

it could happen. it all depends on how many floors they intend to add, obviously.

guesstimating a floor-to floor here, the lobby looks about 40' tall.

so 727 - 40 = 687

687 / 49 = 14' floor-to-floor

so 6 more floors would take this one to ~810' tall.


when 110 N wacker got its little height bump, i believe they added 4 floors, and even that would still bump this one up to ~780' tall.

aaron38 Jan 30, 2020 1:16 AM

They should add six floors. It has the location, the closest competing office tower is blocks away without much risk of new competition. And this is brand new modern space. The Old Post Office has tons of space, but this has windows and views. Looks like good ROI to me to grow this one more.

Zapatan Jan 30, 2020 2:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lurker (Post 8814162)
The demand clearly exists for another supertall office tower in Chicago. After this building plus Salesforce tower come onto the market we will have witnessed the absorption of something like 10 MSF of new office space in this area of downtown in just 6 or 7 years. And that doesn't include Fulton Market

Yea, I wish it actually manifested itself in a supertall or two instead of several 7-800 foot boxes. Still good news about the potential height increase though.

rivernorthlurker Jan 30, 2020 4:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lurker (Post 8814162)
Hopefully they don't remove a setback like at 110. Might as well just add another whole tier to the design. The demand clearly exists for another supertall office tower in Chicago. After this building plus Salesforce tower come onto the market we will have witnessed the absorption of something like 10 MSF of new office space in this area of downtown in just 6 or 7 years. And that doesn't include Fulton Market

It's been a lot, not quite 10 million. This article give a really nice rundown of office space added in regions through the US and in major business districts in the last 10 years. Chicago is lucky in that much of it's office development has been in it's core business districts. Chicago's central growth in spite of it's slight population decline has been really impressive. Instead of a bunch of small developments, it's being driven by large projects.

https://www.commercialcafe.com/blog/...e-in-10-years/

Quote:

Chicago is also one of only a few markets to see substantial growth in its CBD. It added 10 properties and 7.8 million square feet of office space to the Loop and River North, including the 1.2 million-square-foot 150 North Riverside Plaza.

The Lurker Jan 30, 2020 5:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 8815569)
It's been a lot, not quite 10 million. This article give a really nice rundown of office space added in regions through the US and in major business districts in the last 10 years. Chicago is lucky in that much of it's office development has been in it's core business districts. Chicago's central growth in spite of it's slight population decline has been really impressive. Instead of a bunch of small developments, it's being driven by large projects.

I clarified that AFTER DELIVERY of BMO and Salesforce tower we will be very near or over 10 million SF. Starting with Riverpoint which delivered in 2017 and within 1 block of the South branch we're looking at (approximately);

Riverpoint, 1 MSF
151 N. Franklin, 800,000 SF
150 N. Riverside, 1.2 MSF
Old Post Office, 2.8 MSF
110 N wacker, 1.5 MSF
BMO tower, 1.5 MSF (perhaps more if floors are added)
Salesforce, 1.2 MSF

That's 10 million square feet right there. And if Salesforce Delivers in 2023 as projected it will have taken just six short years. It's hard to believe.

rivernorthlurker Jan 30, 2020 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lurker (Post 8815607)
I clarified that AFTER DELIVERY of BMO and Salesforce tower we will be very near or over 10 million SF. Starting with Riverpoint which delivered in 2017 and within 1 block of the South branch we're looking at (approximately);

Riverpoint, 1 MSF
151 N. Franklin, 800,000 SF
150 N. Riverside, 1.2 MSF
Old Post Office, 2.8 MSF
110 N wacker, 1.5 MSF
BMO tower, 1.5 MSF (perhaps more if floors are added)
Salesforce, 1.2 MSF

That's 10 million square feet right there. And if Salesforce Delivers in 2023 as projected it will have taken just six short years. It's hard to believe.

Apologies for my sloppy read. Ironically my initial skepticism validates your point that it really IS hard to believe.

KWillChicago Feb 1, 2020 12:31 AM

Via webcam they got drill rigs and concrete trucks moving 6:15pm tonight. How late are these guys working?

SteelMonkey Feb 1, 2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KWillChicago (Post 8817670)
Via webcam they got drill rigs and concrete trucks moving 6:15pm tonight. How late are these guys working?

They were drilling to 8 and finally wrapped up around 9:30pm.

SolarWind Feb 2, 2020 11:36 PM

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SamInTheLoop Feb 4, 2020 9:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 8814826)
it could happen. it all depends on how many floors they intend to add, obviously.

guesstimating a floor-to floor here, the lobby looks about 40' tall.

so 727 - 40 = 687

687 / 49 = 14' floor-to-floor

so 6 more floors would take this one to ~810' tall.


when 110 N wacker got its little height bump, i believe they added 4 floors, and even that would still bump this one up to ~780' tall.


I'm not sure if many folks realize just how common adding floors once construction has begun on office towers has been this cycle. If I recall correctly, each of RiverPoint, 150 N Riverside, and 110 N Wacker have had this happen. I'd have to go back and scour the web for confirmation that in all cases it was technically after groundbreaking and not just prior....but I believe I'm right here. It's become almost the standard operating model for office developers to have the final size be somewhat flexible (likely within a relatively small range of 4-6 floors I'd imagine) where if they can hit a certain leasing economic threshold, or there's an opportunity to accommodate an additional tenant that is ready to sign just prior to - or in early stages of construction - they can tack on some leasable space to the project. I'm sure they have multiple versions that have been readied to very advanced stages so they can be quickly switched to once the call is made.

bhawk66 Feb 5, 2020 5:00 AM

There are some major projects this winter in the foundation phase. This should be a fun summer for building construction fans as things start going up, up, up this spring. It's amazing what's happening in Chi-town.

SolarWind Feb 13, 2020 1:55 AM

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New Hudson Facades (NHF) - Renderings courtesy of Goettsch Partners
https://newhudsonfacades.com/projects/310-south-canal-street/

jc5680 Feb 13, 2020 2:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SolarWind (Post 8829594)
New Hudson Facades (NHF) - Renderings courtesy of Goettsch Partners
https://newhudsonfacades.com/projects/310-south-canal-street/

Has the curtainwall mockup from that link been shared before?

The folds look flatter than I had hoped… I guess that is to be expected based of the other Goestch towers at this point. Maybe the net effect will be a little more crisp. Probably not Viceroy like, but enough to catch light in interesting ways?


Zapatan Feb 13, 2020 3:08 AM

^^^ Stunning

rlw777 Feb 18, 2020 7:16 PM

Was looking at the webcam today laughing a bit at the contrast between this site packed with heavy machinery working away and the toyoko hotel site in the background occupied by an single forklift and a porta john.

The Lurker Feb 19, 2020 5:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rlw777 (Post 8834696)
Was looking at the webcam today laughing a bit at the contrast between this site packed with heavy machinery working away and the toyoko hotel site in the background occupied by an single forklift and a porta john.

Better than what will be built. I wouldn't be disappointed in the least if it doesn't get completed.

Mikelacey45 Feb 19, 2020 5:54 PM

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...-station-tower

Steely Dan Feb 19, 2020 11:19 PM

not quite as big of a vertical expansion as we might have been hoping for, but one additional floor probably bumps this one up another 14' to ~741'.

Quote:

Proposal would add a floor to office tower near Union Station
Third major tenant announced for building at 320 S. Canal.

By David Roeder@RoederDavid Feb 19, 2020, 4:51pm CST

With a sizable new office lease in hand, a downtown developer has proposed adding a floor to an office tower under construction near Union Station.

Riverside Investment & Development proposed a zoning amendment that would add one floor to the forthcoming BMO Tower at 320 S. Canal St. With the addition, the building will have 50 occupied floors, with a 51st floor at the top for mechanical equipment.

The proposal was submitted to the City Council on Wednesday and referred to the zoning committee.
source: https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-ha...-union-station

harryc Feb 20, 2020 10:59 AM

Feb 18

Chicago | BMO Tower by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

Chicago | BMO Tower by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

Chicago | BMO Tower by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

Chicago | BMO Tower by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

Chicago | BMO Tower by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

Chicago | BMO Tower by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

Chicago | BMO Tower by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

Chicago | BMO Tower by Harry Carmichael, on Flickr

rlw777 Feb 20, 2020 2:49 PM

Am I the only one hoping somebody decides to commission a sculpture for the park space on this one? When I think of blocks comprised of a large office tower and a park or plaza in Chicago I think of great art.

SamInTheLoop Feb 20, 2020 7:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 8836189)
not quite as big of a vertical expansion as we might have been hoping for, but one additional floor probably bumps this one up another 14' to ~741'.


source: https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-ha...-union-station


Surprising to me. Why add just one more floor, when I would assume the current elevator configuration should just as easily allow 3-4 more? Particularly in light of the leasing momentum - with two additional significant tenants beyond the anchor msigned on already, just after start of construction. Without knowing any inside information behind the decision, it strikes me as odd (my assumption is that they wouldn't run into considerable political interference if they needed to go back and amend the PD....which seems like a fair assumption to me, but?)


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