:previous: Nice.


May as well include these postcards to round out the set. There are probably more :)

(Colorful. If only they were larger!)

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Once again, Arcadia Publishing comes to the rescue, well sort of. Check out page 30 of Los Angeles's The Palms Neighborhood by George Garrigues. I don't want to post a copyrighted image, but it's available in preview on Google Books, at least as of the time of posting. I say "sort of" because the building pictured doesn't seem to have a Tootsie Roll sign on it anywhere, we just have to accept that it is.

After some photo editing on the colors. I think parts of the image are "too hot" (bright enough to lose detail).

http://imageshack.us/scaled/large/189/xa4x.jpg
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Lookout Mountain Inn FOUND - part 3
 

In my two prior LMI posts:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16204
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16219

I showed that the location of the Lookout Mountain Inn was at (what is now) 2355 Sunset Plaza Drive.

3940dxer and I decided we should scale Wulff's Peak (now a nameless bump with radio antennas and water tanks at the convergence of Walker Drive, Ridgemont Drive, and Crescent Drive) to see if we could recreate the distant view of the Inn he had discovered.

The Lookout Mountain Park Land and Water Company sold the parcel containing Wulff's Peak to E.L. Doheny in 1913:

http://i.imgur.com/cBSNFOW.jpg

At http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=15754 I described finding the Wulff's Peak deed at the Assessor's Office in Norwalk. I then traced the parcel description on top of a current topographic map to see where the peak is today. The "Belvedere of America," as the article calls it, is indeed the high point between Laurel and Coldwater Canyons.

Getting the "Now" half of the "Now and Then" was easier said than done. After rejecting Walker Drive and Crescent Drive as starting points due to high fences, we drove to Ridgemont Drive. There, the public street ended in a gate made of pointy spikes. We could see the street continuing up the grade, with houses beyond. After getting out of our car, we stood around for a while wondering what to do. Climbing over the gate was possible, but we could hear people in the houses beyond. Maybe they were "stand your ground" enthusiasts?

Just as we were about to give up, a car drove up. The driver punched the entry code into the control box, and the gate slowly swung open. She drove through and on up the hill out of sight. 3940dxer and I looked at each other speculatively. At the last possible moment, we darted through the gate as it clanged shut. Trying to look unobtrusive (difficult owing to the camera equipment), we nonchalantly walked on and up, hoping not to encounter anyone. We did meet the driver as she was entering her house. We explained to her what we were doing and fortunately she waved us on.

The road ends below the summit, and we scrambled as far up as we could (not recommended in street shoes) to take our pictures. And of course not having the gate code, we ended up having to climb the fence on the way out without impaling ourselves. This was tricky.

Here is a "then and now" pair from the same point 100 years apart. The perspective is slightly different because the "then" picture was taken with a wide-angle, short focal length lens making it appear to have been taken from a greater distance.

c. 1913
http://i.imgur.com/z9bvHwK.jpg

16 August 2013
http://i.imgur.com/8JtMbKs.jpg

In the modern view, from left to right, we have:

1. the ridge of “Cyprean Hill” (water tank and antennae)
2. Cyprean Drive,
3. the brown Tudor house perched just above Appian Way at 2020 Cyprean Drive, on southwestern-most knoll of Cyprean Hill,
4. trees masking the sight line right down the middle of Appian Way
5. the height of land marked 1453 feet in the old topo, now 2460 Sunset Plaza Drive
6. the 2355 Sunset Plaza Drive house (site of the Inn, and later the Lew Ayres house), and
7. the 2300 Sunset Plaza Drive house at the right edge of the screen.
8. Crescent Drive leading off to the “Double Bow Knot” curves beyond the frame to the left.

It is striking how much vegetation has been introduced in 100 years. Is it possible that the two bumps on the ridge line of Cyprean Hill visible above the second “2” are the same as the mature trees seen just above the second “2” in the modern picture? Also note the slope of the scar of the road leading down at 4 o’clock from the inn (today’s upper Sunset Plaza leading down to the intersection with upper Crescent Drive, it is identical in both pictures. Both photos agree with the 1926 topo map, which shows Crescent Drive contours just below the ridge line from the Double Bow Knot area to the intersection with upper Sunset Plaza.

The Bandstand was built on top of Lookout Mountain, the conical hill shown at #4. The 1926 topo shows the hill as about 50 feet higher than the saddle at the intersection of Appian Way and Barcelona. This now is the hairpin turn on Appian Way, and has been leveled since, most recently in 2001 when the owner of 8782 sold the parcels inside the hairpin to a developer. As a result, our neighborhood was gifted with the spec houses at 8787, 8777, and 8765.

Big thanks to 3940dxer for his interest and help.

You don't think there's anything weird about how it elbows right on the ground like that? FWIW wouldn't a downspout would go all the way up to the roof? Because of that I thought it might be a stale air vent, not that I know if it would matter.

As for the entrance or loading port, it occurred to me that it might have been for cars at one point, assuming the space was used for parking or repairing them. It can't have been Norm's Fabrics since 1915--I am sure of that; on the other hand I'm not sure that opening is wide enough for a car.

(See GW's post for the picture)

I've noticed this picture on their website; great shot.

Hidley's tubes are full of air!


1930 - 785 East Colorado Blvd. (Replaced by new construction, currently occupied by Target Store.)

http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis.../id/312/rec/44


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"Yes We Buy Bicycles."
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The Model Grocery Company Store, 250 East Colorado Blvd.

Little doubt that satin toilet tissue is the featured product! Brilliantly packaged in a doll house. But a year's supply, for the doll?

1926
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1925 - particularly noirish lighting :coolugh:
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With the doll house, price seems right. Tissue must have been profitable in '25 and '26. Well before using recycled paper. :treehugger:

http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://collection.pasadenadigitalhis...XT=&DMROTATE=0

I was able to track the photo properly as per the thread guidelines. According to the "Yearbook Of The Southern California Annual Conference" (1904) the following structure is the Euclid Heights Methodist Episcopal Church: http://google.com/books?id=JtkpAAAAYAAJ

http://i42.tinypic.com/2gt5jr9.jpg

Various shots of the current building: The domed roof:

http://i44.tinypic.com/6prckz.jpg

http://misneighbors.com/?cat=6&paged=3

An early shot of the interior (The seats are no longer present, and murals now adorn the walls)

http://i39.tinypic.com/2uyluhj.jpg

Finally, a screenshot from the 1984 movie "Breakin' 2" where Casa Del Mexicano was prominantly featured, if painted garishly:

http://i42.tinypic.com/qn4qva.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23724797

A recent article I noticed on the BBC website about exploring LA's forgotten stairways

Soooo here's a little more about now-shuttered Angel's Knoll, which has its own Facebook page!

I should start a "Return Angel's Knoll to 1953" petition and see how that works out. In a previous post I went on about Olive/Fourth/Hill St, but what of wee Clay running down its center? An understanding of Clay is necessary before the City gets to work on its perfect recreation of what they tore down. Holding my breath. Anyway:

Angel's Knoll:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3778/9...51c36a12_o.png

So here, we are looking north toward Third from about Fourth.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2863/9...c3b813a9_o.png
A wall of the Antlers is on your left; R, 354, 350, and 346 (with "Brown") Clay Street. Looking the opposite way:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2864/9...0d7ea738_c.jpg
A bit of the porch of 334, a guy standing on the porch of 338, glimpses of 340 and 342 and then what we saw in the shot above, down to Fourth with the Black Bldg looming above.

You might remember 334 Clay St from Kent McKenzie's The Exiles; it's where Yvonne & Homer live. 338 is where the always-nutty Timothy Carey gets a beatdown under that porch there in the criminally underknown Finger Man.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3817/9...4e84ea22_o.png

Standing about where the building that says "Brown", to your left see 345 Clay, AKA the Glenn Apartments:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3675/9...228e8d64_b.jpg

One can still stand on the Knoll and stare at that flank of the Subway Terminal building and recreate this image in your mind's eye. (Minus the convertible Sprite and that DS, but with the hipsters moving into the neighborhood, maybe not.)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5509/9...4a1faa12_o.png

So in the image above you're looking down Clay to Fourth.

Specifically, those seven cars are in a new parking lot formed by the demolition of the Hotel Antlers. Thus the brick structure at far right has to be the Clark Garage. The big buildings at left are the Black Bldg and the Wright & Callender (both demolished shortly after).

Those are all the Clay St images I have at hand, if there are others out there, please add them here. These came from
http://helios.library.ca.gov/soca/reagh/1990-1290.jpg
http://helios.library.ca.gov/soca/reagh/1990-0909.jpg
http://www.lib.state.ca.us/Web2/tram..._source=visual
http://helios.library.ca.gov/soca/reagh/1990-0736.jpg

Cars were a lot narrower in 1915.... As for the roof--this is a downspout. The base of the peaked roof is clearly below the level of the building wall--as is usual in this kind of design, there is an opening in the wall at a point meeting the base of the peaked roof, through which the water drains into a leaderhead (the box) and down the spout etc.


In other trivia...

I know it's still early, but if Hodel had finally achieved his weird wetdream of proving that his dear old dad killed the Dahlia, in this day of tweets etc, I think we'd have heard about it already.

Stay tuned to Harnisch:http://ladailymirror.com/

Lorendoc, I am continually amazed by your in-depth research on the-Lookout Mountain Inn and the surrounding area. I want to thank you
for all your hard work (most everyone here have been oddly quiet...I really don't know why).
Too bad you didn't take a video of you and David climbing over that fence. :) I would have paid good money to see that!

I have a question about the 'speakeasy' you mention in your post # 1 of the series. Would this have been at the same location
as the earlier Laurel Tavern? (if I remember correctly, you mention a curve in the road or something)

Laurel Tavern
http://imageshack.us/a/img198/415/738g.jpg
http://www.hollywoodphotographs.com/



http://imageshack.us/a/img713/1058/diib.jpg
http://www.hollywoodphotographs.com/
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This is a wonderful close-up of the dome MrPoe.

originally posted by MrPoe
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/226/xksq.jpg

I was going to link back to GW's original post back on page 333, but I found it so interesting I decided to quote it instead.

...since this was mentioned a day or so ago.
http://imageshack.us/a/img837/2692/4j9y.jpg

Here's the link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-murderer.html

Brown Derby lunch counter
http://imageshack.us/a/img543/5671/4q0q.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img43/7206/mwew.jpg
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bizar...50303461678081



for a quick comparison with the exterior
http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7485/pg8q.jpg
ebay
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Sometimes, silence, can = Awe. Applause to Lorendoc and 3940dxer.


Posters should consider that not all noir masterworks were recognized as such on their first run. Some subjects are not as easily absorbed as others and take time to be discovered and/or rediscovered.

Many excellent posts go without public acknowledgment. But that does not mean they aren't valued or appreciated. (Otherwise this board would have much faster loading times.) Suffice it to say, on behalf of this thread's many unregistered viewers and those of us who are only occasional contributors, gratitude to ER and the many other heavyweight posters who constantly trod the length and breadth of LA Nitrate.

:multibow

Sightseeing in Hollywood
 

Here is Beth Short standing in front of the Temple Dogs at Grauman's Chinese movie theater.

Was Dr. Hodel involved in her death? That's a good question. If not him...then who was?

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