One of the earliest photographs of Chinatown that I've come across. Notice the orange groves as well.
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another "then and now" of the Pasadena Freeway
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I would have given credit had I known the source of these images.
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That's fine SierraMadre....just go back to your post and click on the edit button (lower right) and paste in this link.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...4618.htmlstory I appreciate everything that you have contributed to the thread. It's people like you that keep this wonderful forum alive. Long live 'noirish Los Angeles'!! |
Doing deep research for Arcadia Press book and 2010 Lavender Los Angeles exhibit we deduced that the transgender/hustler bar John Rechy named in City Of Night as the 1-2-3 (on Spring St nr 3rd) wouldve been the 326 - Rechy confirmed that he'd changed its name (as well as a bar on Santa Monica's Oceanwalk) purely for the safety of their clientele and proprietors- Therefore we had one of the city's premier he-man establishments morphing into a verry different scene a decade or so after Jim Jeffries closed. On LAPL photo database search for the "men in drag" images for another nearby drag club. Happy LGBT Month !
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So you're saying Jim Jeffries' Gentlemen's Club eventually became a gay bar?
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Please do not take credit for content that you did not create. Some may think that giving credit is a trivial or even a laughing matter, but it's not. Unfortunately, there do seem to be a lot of people on this thread who are either ignorant of or are simply ignoring Skyscraperpage.com's simply-stated rules for third-party content attribution. Here they are again for those who apparently need a reminder. ========== https://otters.net/img/lanoir/skyscr...forumrules.jpg ========== I'm not the "credit police," but I do firmly believe in giving credit where credit is due insofar as it is possible. The fact is that a significant majority of this thread consists of content that the posters themselves did not create, yet a few posters here seem to think that giving proper credit according to this website's rules is not worth bothering with. You should bother, though, because the owners of Skyscraperpage.com could lock or even delete this whole thread at any time for any single instance of copyright abuse, and that would be the end of it. When it comes down to it, it's your choice whether or not to credit your posts properly. All I'm saying is that I believe we should all follow the rules here to the best of our ability. If you really can't find the ultimate source for a picture, though, that's entirely cool and forgivable – I've posted unattributed images, myself, from time to time – but I think it's important that we should at least TRY to provide the best recent source information that we can here. Historical accuracy demands no less, doesn't it? -Scott |
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i am with scott on this one big time! the moderators of the skyscraperpage forums, have prevoulsy posted in this thread about the importance of not only giving credit to the original source, but also providing a link to the original source web page. even if you upload an image to your photo account, you still need to give the original source location with a link of where the photograph originally came from. they make it clear, that if you don't know, then don't post. the consequences that scott mentioned are very real, and it would be a travesty, if this incredible source of los angeles history which is for the betterment of everybody got locked down. we wouldn't want this to happen........... Culver City police enforcing the law of tha land 1950 http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics40/00039598.jpg Source: LAPL |
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Butcha ARE Scott, ya ARE the credit police. At least that is the net effect. And while everything you say and so helpfully spell out is true--that the thread could be shut down etc--it seems to me that one equally sure way to accomplish this is to be doctrinaire with newcomers. It took me quite awhile to figure out how to add credit lines--it's not like there's a test of one's computer skills to sign up for the site. Our esteemed founder, Ethereal, handled Sierra Madre's innocent omission exactly as it should have been. Thank you, e_r, SM, Sebisebster--and Scott--for all your terrific contributions. Let's lighten up! http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007269.jpgLAPL Now about those gay bars.... |
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So, let me see if I have this right:
If I have an image that I am uncertain of it's original photographer-publsher, etc., then don't post it. Right? That's what I'm hearing. I have several boxes of negatives and prints from 40-50 years old, or more. I have collected them over the years a purchased them from garage sales of people have given them to me. They are not magazines, newspapers or books. Many are just discarded family photos which just happen to have been taken in Los Angeles. They are simply aging photographs that I have scanned. Maybe photographed by a housewife, maybe by a professional photographer. I'll never know. None of us will never know. It's just a photo with no name, no nothing written on it whatsoever. I would never ever not give credit for any posts unless I just didn't know. Look, I'm a retired professional photographer....50 years worth. I get to see my personal images splattered all over the internet everyday without any credit to me. So don't give me any lectures about the decency of "credit where credit is do". I've been here three weeks and have been trying to fit in with all of you seasoned "Noir Fans". So, whats the word on these boxes of photos that have no writing on them? Keep them to myself? Or should I just say...."photographer unknown", or leave them in a box for my cat to sleep on? Can you imagine what history books, biographies, etc. would look like if every single image that had no information on who took the photo were never published? Think about it. |
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http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2640/p1090163y.jpg Photo by me This supposedly is the oldest bathhouse in Los Angeles, established in 1905, corner of 4th and Los Angeles Streets. As far as I know, it's still in business (I've never been to it myself) and is now called the KLYT bathhouse. But it used to known as the Palace Turkish Baths. This is from a 1967 LA phone book: http://www.gaytubs.com/images/palace.jpg gaytubs.com Here it is in the context of the surrounding blocks. I took these photos on 12/31/09. The building under construction on the right is now complete (it's a mixed-use commercial/residential building). http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1153/p1090164fm.jpg Photo by me And for historic context, that mixed-use building pales greatly in comparison to what used to be there--- the Westminster Hotel: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1...nsterhotel.jpg USC Archive The photo dates to before the opening of the bathhouse--circa 1900, the USC Archive says. So none of those gentlemen in the picture were on their way there. I believe there were a number of bathhouses operating in downtown Los Angeles in the early part of the 20th Century. Of course there were many vice busts that would occur. This is from an 1895 Los Angeles directory: http://www.gaytubs.com/images/la-baths.jpg gaytubs.com |
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sigh.........there have been tons of times, when i found fabulous photographs that i wanted to post...(alot of times on flickr or other third party sites)...however, i have always tried to adhere to the sites rules...(trust me , it's sometimes a pain in the patootie to source every photograph i post)......regardless....this is the home field rules for the playing field we all enjoy............
as draconian as the rules might sound........there are such things as copyright laws...yadda yadda yadda........anyway, my two cents, (again), although Los Angeles Past, might sound like a "Credit Police", his post needs to be taken and understood in that we have already been repremanded previously by this forum's modertor, and yes it is that important! and now i'll get off of my high horse! http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics32/00050500.jpg Source: LAPL |
TO LOS ANGELES PAST (Scott) -----> Understood. I delated my original post in order of terms of credit and copyright respect.
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I guess I'm still ruminating about Jim Jeffries' alpha-male Gentleman's Club morphing into a gay bar.
Pictured below is a gambling joint during a raid at 1725 West Florence in January 1955. The only crime I see here is the plaid wallpaper. ;) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6...arat1725wf.jpg usc digital archive Below: Here is a current photo of 1725 W. Florence Ave. The gambling den has been resurrected as a 'church'. http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/235...dbldgtoday.jpg google street views http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1...ldgnoirmar.jpg Marc Evans http://www.flickr.com/photos/clearlight/4864831279/ I'd take the gamblers any day. ___________ |
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Here is an interesting photo of a boarded up court-yard apartment complex in the shadow of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power Building. I believe the location is somewhere on Freemont Street near Temple.
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/3...taptsonfre.jpg los angeles public library http://www.lapl.org/ So would this court-yard complex be situated just below Circle Court in the photo below? If I only had a super-duper magnifying glass. :) http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9...indistance.jpg usc digital archive http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...ller/index.htm |
Here is an expansive photo of the Hall of Justice that I don't remember seeing before.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5879/amazingn.jpg usc digital archive Here's my question: Was this stretch of residential buildings located on Hill Street, Olive Street or the much much shorter Stockton Street? (Stockton Street is visible on an old 1945 street map of L.A. that I purchased recently on ebay) _____ |
e_r: Looks to me like the court you mentioned below was probably entered from Fremont where it angled north of Diamond Street between First and Temple--
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Thanks rick_m. I wasn't sure of the location.
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Per a prior discussion, I did come across the Swastika Apartments in this neighborhood--at 827 Boston St. (The address still turns up an apartment bldg --but something much newer called the Orsini.) Ed: Looks like rick m has got it pinned down. Excellent. |
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back in may, i had received a flickermail asking the same question. Dear gsjansen, It's rather a very interesting collection of the LA's historic photographs you have! I really enjoyed it. The USC Digital Library has thousands of published images related to the LA's history, and some of them is exact match to yours. Which is, I assume, quite inevitable in the age of the Internet :) BTW, I wonder how did you get the location info for this image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33455118@N08/5643203995/ ? We have the same photograph in our collection but no geo-related data is available. Many thanks in advance, Yuri Shcherbina Metadata Manager USC Digital Library I had responded, thank you for your kind message on the images i have posted on my flickr photostream. yes quite a few of the photographs are from the USC Digital Archive. i began posting images to my flickr account so that friends of mine could see in images the amazing change and growth that los angeles has experienced in a very short period of time. I always try to verify locations and dates of photographs that i upload by means of comparing maps, other photographs, and news articles. the photo that you asked about, i was able to date due to the level of construction completed on city hall. i was able to locate the image as being on hill street, north of temple mainly because of the los angeles city garage that is visible at the lower far right hand side of the image. here is a link to a 1940 image from the los angeles public library photographic collection showing the intersection of hill and temple where the garage is very visible http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068219.jpg i hope that answers your question properly. i'm assuming it is the same Yuri you make reference to in your next post. |
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That other stubby street was called Pavilion Place. http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6236/bofamap1945.jpg from my 1945 map -ER |
A spectacular looking motor court.....Firenze Gardens at 5218-5230 Sunset Boulevard, circa 1922.
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aaargh! So upsetting. :(
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As for the step down bar, I am not sure where that would have been. There are many areas in the building which have been redone, sealed off to the public (by the mailboxes there is a stairway that leads to the basement, which has been sealed off completely. The only way I know its a stairway is by looking through a small crack, with the right amount of light you can see down, but I have no clue what it is. Might be the bar you speak of.) I have a bunch of other photos of things that have been going on down here. In particular, they started redoing the sidewalks around 5th and broadway, but havent done anymore. At first glance, they look like the original sidewalks, with the glass tiles, but when you look harder, its actually just pink-ish concrete with shiny granite tiles stuck in... http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...-/P1010178.jpg Looks better than the broken grease/spit/piss/gum/whatever else stains that were there before (although they are already getting dirty again), but I wish they could have done them properly with the glass. Also, when I moved down here, before I discovered this thread, I was always curious about the pacific mutual building (6th and olive), I always thought it looked strange. When I learned that it was remuddled with a crappy facade, I went back and looked at it a bit harder, and discovered around the side that you can still see some of the original building (at least I think so). I would like to think that maybe its still under that facade, but probably not... http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...-/P1010179.jpg There are several other buildings down here I am curious about, if they were given another facade or what. Ill take pictures and post them, maybe someone knows something about them... Photos by me...I guess I have to say that? |
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i don't think this charles c ebbets photograph had been posted before.........
Tee Time 1927 http://www.grandmas-attic.com/images/b740.jpg Source: Grandma's Attic |
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Soon to reappear downtown
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-i...aurantsInc.jpgClinton's Restaurants Inc/L.A. Conservancy
648 S. Broadway The 1963 screen is coming down--the progress as of Sunday: http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6053/...fbc9b885b2.jpgFranklin Avenue Quote:
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Clifton's Brookdale
Now THAT is great news GW. Even back in the 70's, Clifton's always looked dirty because the perforations on that awful screening were like smog residue magnets. It has always seemed like such a shame since the entryway tilework/terrazzo is so striking and beautiful!
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4552/stoday.jpg Google Streetview Another great vintage photo, this one from 1936 http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5...sbrookdale.jpg Dick Whittington Collection/USC Digital Library Too bad Clifton's Pacific Seas couldn't magically reappear! It was torn down in 1960 shortly after this photo was taken. http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8...andolive19.jpg Los Angeles Herald-Examiner Collection/USC Digital Library ~Jon Paul |
Bunker Hill Backplate
You guys are going to love this. A nitrate backplate of 1940's Bunker Hill. Absolutely beautiful.
http://www.theatlantic.com/video/arc...ngeles/244590/ Enjoy! |
Carl's Restaurants
Back in July 2010, sopas_ej posted this photo of Carl's Restaurant and asked if anyone knew the location. The image is no longer coming up with the original post, so I'm reposting..
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1...rantsphoto.jpg Dick Whittington Collection/USC Digital Library Yesterday I found these matchbooks on e-bay and it appears there were two Carl's locations in Los Angeles, with this being the Flower and Figueroa location (and gone with the Harbor Fwy). http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7...estaurants.jpg e-bay I decided to take a Google Streetview looksee to find out if the Vernon and Crenshaw building was still there. It's not, but on the NW corner there is this streamline moderene gem! Does anyone know the history of this structure? http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3...ndcrenshaw.jpg Google Streetview ~Jon Paul |
:previous: The middle matchbook of Carl's-at-the-Beach is very interesting.
I don't recall any buildings along PCH that come even close to looking like the buildings on that matchbook. It also says SEA AIR MOTOR APARTMENTS. So I guess one of their selling points is that you could arrive by boat, car or airplane. ...perhaps from the nearby Cloverfield Airport? Does anyone know if this complex was ever built? _________ The removal of that awful screen from Clifton's is great news indeed! |
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I did however find out that the streamline moderne building I spied on Google was originally an Atlantic Richfield gas station and garage! Now, I must look for pictures...... ~Jon Paul |
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