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First off, hats off to Lorendoc, who identified the same spot while I was still busy formulating my own post about it!
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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J...3c909aa2d2.jpg ebay/marked by me The distinctive roofline in the circle is still there today on what I will call building 1. The buildings I have marked as 2 and 3 are also there, but are disguised - an exterior remodel has integrated buildings 2 and 3 as well as the leftmost segment of building 1. Here is today's street view, with the same roofline feature circled and buildings 2 and 3 marked again: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8...413%2520AM.jpg Google Street View Although buildings 2 and 3 (and the left end of building 1) appear to have been replaced, an aerial view tells a different story. I flipped around the Google Maps view to look southbound, and the back side of the modern roofline is visible: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E...029%2520AM.jpg Google Maps Here on the roof it becomes very clear that the block is still divided into 3 buildings just like the old photo. The stepped roofline of building 2 is still visible behind the remodel, as is the old roofline of building 3 which drops down at both sides. |
Thanks to my fellow collaborators for nailing the Orlando Avenue location. This one was a real joint effort. ProphetM, I'm kicking myself for not checking the reverse angle on the aerial view to find those hidden roof details, but I'll get over it ;). Great work by everyone involved.
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While looking for pictures of the elusive shoe store and cleaners on Santa Monica Boulevard yesterday, I stumbled across this picture of the Santa Monica Freeway under construction - I don't think we've seen it before. Just left of the construction zone, about halfway down, is Dr. Kurtz's house on Toberman Street. On the right, just above the Bob Hope Patriotic Hall, is the Young Apartment building.
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original USC Digital Library Looking a little closer, we can see the subjects of a few more posts. Near the "Weber" sign at the top, left, and partly hidden by a tree, is the Otsego Apartment building. I posted a picture of the unfinished sections of road across the Harbor Freeway in post #17868. The large building near the bottom is the Odd Fellow Temple on Oak Street. I think we can even see the rooftop radio station that e_r mentioned in post #16718. The dark mound above the Odd Fellow Temple marks the future home of the CHP building. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original Detail of photo above. A couple of previous posts with pictures of the Santa Monica Freeway being built: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3026 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13772 |
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Here you go. The description is as follows: Photograph of an exterior view of John A. Forthmann, Sr.'s home at Eighteenth Street and Figueroa Street in Los Angeles, ca.1900. Horace Forthmann, Johan A. Forthmann, Sr., and W. B. Bergin are in a horse-drawn buggy in the foreground at left, while Anne M. Forthmann and Nora Forthmann are seated on the porch railing. The view of the large, two-story Victorian house is obscured by large trees, including a palm tree in the foreground at right.; Presented to collection by Los Angeles Soap Company, Andrew K. Forthmann, chairman of the board and chief executive officer, December 5, 1975. Picture file card reads: "1900, John A. Forthmann, Sr. home, 18th and Figueroa. In buggy: Horace Forthmann, John A. Forthmann, Sr., and W.B. Bergin. On porch: Anne M. Forthmann and Nora Forthmann". http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...e.jpg~original USC Digital Library Quote:
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I'm assuming the building had other usages before Los Angeles Soap Co. as they probably had no use for display windows as we see. |
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It says "Forthmann & Bergin" (aka. the owners of the Los Angeles Soap Company). The USC description for the photo above reads: Photograph of the Los Angeles Soap Company building, 1st Street, 1884. The stately, two-story brick building can be seen, at center. Seven men can be seen standing outside of the building. Three young boys can also be seen in the left foreground, sitting together on the sidewalk in front of the building. A portion of a church can be seen to the left of the building, and a note on the back of the photograph reads as follows: "Old Grace Methodist Episcopal Church on far left". Legible signs on the building include the following: "Forthmann and Bergin", "Los Angeles Soap Co.", and "Los Angeles Lith Co.". http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...mannBergin.jpg Detail of photo at USC Digital Library |
The roof-line observations were awesome, ProphetM. I did not think it very likely those buildings had survived 75 years but they did.
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Los Angeles Soap Company
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The first name is Forthmann. In the 1909 city directory, the Los Angeles Soap company was at 633 E. 1st St. (today a parking lot). J. A. Forthmann was the president, J.J. Bergin was VP/sec and C.B. Bergin was assistant sec. |
More interesting stuff on Los Angeles Soap company
http://cdm15799.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0 Los Angeles Soap Company personnel, including John A. Forthmann Senior, Horace Forthmann, and J.J. Bergin, 1874 Description Group portrait of Los Angeles Soap Company personnel, including John A. Forthmann Senior, Horace Forthmann, and J.J. Bergin, 1874. Twenty men can be seen standing in three rows next to boxes which read "Water Queen Soap", on their sides, and feature an artist's rendition of a mermaid. Mr. John A. Forthmann Senior, Horace Forthmann, and J.J. Bergin can be seen in the bottom row, at far right. Subject Forthmann Senior, John A.; Forthmann, Horace; Bergin, J. J. http://cdm15799.contentdm.oclc.org/c...oll65/id/12777 There were still 66 employees - down from at least 500 - when the company folded. Thirteen were retained to shut things down. Six were laid off on Jan. 29, 1988, and six more on Feb. 15. The last employee of the Los Angeles Soap Co. was a janitor who stayed until June 17, 1988, just about 128 years after John Forthmann had become its first. (from the below link) Read most interesting story at: http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/a...d9a5f915c.html |
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A last footnote on e_r's Orlando/Santa Monica Boulevard photo. Today, the eastern part of the shoes/cleaner building (just out of view) is occupied by Hugo's Restaurant. I've eaten there, it's good. Their web site says:
Once upon a time, when anyone first walked in the front door of Hugo's, they found it was a butcher shop with an actual butcher named Hugo. In addition to the butcher's, the building in West Hollywood, which sits on an extension of Route 66 and houses the restaurant as it is now, was also a grocery, a dry cleaners and a tailor shop, all in a row. Terry, being the compassionate man he was, kept the name in deference to Hugo's widow when he took the business over. |
Forthmann House & LA Soap Company
HossC, thanks so much! That's actually the one photo I have seen of the house at its original location, but I've never seen it in such high res.
Retired_in_Texas, that was a great read on the LA Soap Co., thanks. And one more, somewhat odd, note. The carriage house from the original Forthmann property was moved to 812 E. Edgeware Rd. in Angelino Heights. Apparently it's been sitting on these extra high stilts for a while now, waiting to have a new first floor constructed under it. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2410/...e48a041015.jpgBig Orange Landmarks |
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It would be interesting to see what exact 15 acres of the downtown L.A. area the buildings of the L.A. Soap company occupied until its closing in 1988. I can't resist commenting for the benefit of old building preservationist about the cost of renovation of aging buildings to code being what actually put the company under, with perhaps a bit of foggy headed management not realizing it would have been to the company's benefit to simply sell the real estate and build a new facility elsewhere. Boneheaded thinking all the way around cost L.A. an employer and the existence of a business that was around the turn of the 20th Century among the city's larger employers. If one is a real history nut, as I tend to be at times, there is more quite interesting coverage of Bergin and the Soap company. I found it interesting that his nephew that succeeded him with the company was from an East Texas town that was about 20 miles from where I grew up and was home to Ladybird Johnson to the time she married LBJ. Checkout A History of California and an Extended History of Los Angeles and Environs ..., Volume 3 By James Miller Guinn. It's online in google books. |
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Villa D'Este aka Court of the Fountains
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Here's a screencap of Jim Hutton in the area shown in the top photo above. http://www.iamnotastalker.com/wp-con...enShot5058.jpg The street and exterior were only used in the film: http://www.iamnotastalker.com/wp-con...enShot5060.jpg The interior courtyard and apartments were all built on a soundstage. http://www.iamnotastalker.com/wp-con...enShot5056.jpg Screencaps above are from this site, and many current photos of the building and some history can be found here: http://www.iamnotastalker.com/2012/0...ment-building/ |
Thanks to one and all for pinpointing the location of the photograph I posted that turned out to be
the T-intersection of Orlando and Santa Monica Blvd. This was truly a community effort. __ Here's another mini-mystery, the McDaniel's Midnight Market circa 1938. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...0/513/h3wc.jpg Perhaps we've seen this open-air building before, but i don't recall this particular name....McDaniel's M M. __ |
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