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odinthor May 7, 2022 6:25 PM

:previous:

Might this site be, after the bulldozers came, what had been the above?:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvCKh99C/Broadw...L-00115015.jpg
LAPL, image 00115015

bighen May 7, 2022 6:26 PM

Justica?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9619403)
Have we seen this photo before?

https://live.staticflickr.com/2912/1...31b54b28_b.jpgA Box of Pictures

The Flickr account I saw this on lists it as Spring Street, but a Twitter source indicates it's a dirt road east of the Broadway tunnel, which sounds more likely.

I'm pretty sure that this road was called "Justica" and I agree that this is not Spring Street. I believe the road went from Sunset to Temple next to the Broadway Tunnel. I seem to remember a picture similar to this one on the LAPL site.

MichaelRyerson May 8, 2022 11:43 AM

Yes. Justicia.
 
North entrance to the Broadway tunnel just out of frame to the right. Justicia will be plowed under when they push Spring Street through to Sunset.

HossC May 8, 2022 7:10 PM

:previous:

Here's the area in 1929. I believe that Justica is the unmade road starting near the center and heading toward the top of the image. For reference, the Hall of Justice is just left of center at the bottom of the image.
NB. This is a merge of three separate aerial views.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...LAJustica1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu/mil.library.ucsb.edu/mil.library.ucsb.edu

I found another image of Justica, similar to the one above, at the USCDL. I think we've probably seen it before.

Martin Pal May 8, 2022 7:50 PM

:previous:

I don't recall that USCDL photo, but if I've forgotten it, I'm glad to see it again!

Odinthor, Bighen, MichaelRyerson and HossC: Thanks for all those great responses. :tup:

odinthor May 8, 2022 8:09 PM

Speaking of Justicia Street:

https://i.postimg.cc/hG6XrT74/Justic...1930-12-27.jpg
LA Times, 12/27/1930

MichaelRyerson May 8, 2022 8:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9619900)
:previous:

Here's the area in 1929. I believe that Justica is the unmade road starting near the center and heading toward the top of the image. For reference, the Hall of Justice is just left of center at the bottom of the image.
NB. This is a merge of three separate aerial views.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...LAJustica1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu/mil.library.ucsb.edu/mil.library.ucsb.edu

I found another image of Justica, similar to the one above, at the USCDL. I think we've probably seen it before.


Well, over the years Justicia suffered the fate of so many early roadbeds being known by various names. At the time of Martin's original pic (dating by the late 20s/early 30s cars) Justicia while still known by most old timers as Justicia had also become known as Buena Vista and even N. Broadway (with which it aligned north of Sunset). From Sunset looking south, it reached all the way to Temple where it ended directly across from the County Courthouse. In Hoss' pic you can see Justicia as a dirt track coming from Sunset and being paved south of Ft. Moore Place. Notice all the parked cars from that point down to the courthouse (out of frame at the bottom) and alongside of the brand new Hall of Justice. This little street was always one of my personal favorites.

craigs May 9, 2022 11:17 PM

From LA Reddit, an overview of Noirish Los Angeles:

https://i.redd.it/7rem146s4hy81.jpg

ethereal_reality May 10, 2022 2:46 AM

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I can see my house from here.

badrunner May 10, 2022 5:38 AM

I think that photo is from circa 1929. Union Station hasn't been built yet.

Mackerm May 10, 2022 6:13 AM

Here's an earlier reddit where the aerial photo was discussed, and the link to the nifty National Archives page where it appeared. One eagle-eyed redditor said that you can see the Eastern Columbia building under construction, and dated it to March-June 1930

craigs May 10, 2022 7:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9620935)
Here's an earlier reddit where the aerial photo was discussed, and the link to the nifty National Archives page where it appeared. One eagle-eyed redditor said that you can see the Eastern Columbia building under construction, and dated it to March-June 1930

Thanks for that--I removed the "1943" reference from my post.

riichkay May 11, 2022 5:33 AM

Screen grabs from "Motor Patrol", a low-budget 1950 release focusing on the motorcycle officers of the LAPD Traffic Division.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiyM...CinemaClassics....


Early in the picture there's a brief shot of the recently covered Hangman's Tree Inn, the noose remains but the corpse of Reseda Red has been removed....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



Most of the exteriors are in mid-Wilshire, this garage is central to the plot....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



The picture ends, of course, with a chase sequence....here the pursuit turns left from the 800 block of N. Figueroa St., and onto an overpass crossing the 110 Freeway.....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



Then a right turn onto what was then a continuation of Figueroa St., this street is now known as Figueroa Terrace....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds

The pole sign for the Mayo Motel is visible on the left, the motel was located at 840 N. Figueroa.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds

An apartment building now occupies the Mayo Motel site.


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...370&fit=bounds

Noir_Noir May 11, 2022 1:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9621936)
Screen grabs from "Motor Patrol", a low-budget 1950 release focusing on the motorcycle officers of the LAPD Traffic Division.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiyM...CinemaClassics....


Early in the picture there's a brief shot of the recently covered Hangman's Tree Inn, the noose remains but the corpse of Reseda Red has been removed....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds


Removed. Maybe kidnapped more like.

I wonder if the scene was shot while this sorry affair was happening?

And seemingly the corpse was a lady to boot. :stunned:


https://i.imgur.com/iZv2UaL.jpg
archive.org - Hollywood Studio Magazine, June 1972

ethereal_reality May 12, 2022 3:42 AM

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Excellent 'Motor Patrol' post, riichkay. . .thoroughly interesting 'now & thens' screengrabs. Good job!


Let me check to see if I have any mystery slides that I've come across recently.



I found four. :)


I'm almost certain this first slide was taken somewhere on Sunset Blvd.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/crhStw.jpg
eBay

Judging by the cars (reflections in the window) I'd say it was taken in the. .um. .late 1960s. . .or early 1970s?








#2 Sunset Blvd. again?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/YzV4SB.jpg
eBay

Sunset Plaza, perhaps?





A mystery mansion with a VW Bug.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Xl2j2n.jpg
eBay

Your guess is as good as mine. :shrug:







The Patio Hamburger's (note the apostrophe) MISSING WORD (1980s?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/dozcxx.jpg

The half-faced dude behind the post looks like me in the 1980s. .I'm trying to remember if I was ever there. (if we figure out the location maybe it will ring a bell)





Closer look
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/muZExS.jpg

Me, or doppelganger?



.

Noir_Noir May 12, 2022 4:03 AM

:previous:

Do you have a symmetrical face?

If yes ... is this you?

https://i.imgur.com/kYvOSCn.jpg

GaylordWilshire May 12, 2022 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9622983)
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Excellent 'Motor Patrol' post, riichkay. . .thoroughly interesting 'now & thens' screengrabs. Good job!

Let me check to see if I have any mystery slides that I've come across recently.

I'm almost certain this first slide was taken somewhere on Sunset Blvd.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/crhStw.jpg
eBay

Judging by the cars (reflections in the window) I'd say it was taken in the. .um. .late 1960s. . .or early 1970s?
.


La Rue was at 8631 Sunset

https://i.postimg.cc/wjPQmM4n/larue-bmp.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/W3j8N34r/laruemenufull-bmp.jpg


I'm sure we must have had posts about La Rue efore....



Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9622983)

Just west of La Rue--

https://i.postimg.cc/0y2wZwBb/larue2-bmp.jpg

odinthor May 12, 2022 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9622983)
.
[...]

The Patio Hamburger's (note the apostrophe) MISSING WORD (1980s?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/dozcxx.jpg

The half-faced dude behind the post looks like me in the 1980s. .I'm trying to remember if I was ever there. (if we figure out the location maybe it will ring a bell)


Closer look
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/muZExS.jpg

Me, or doppelganger?



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e_r, I'm dubious about this candidate, but perhaps it's Cassell's Patio at 3300 W. 6th:

https://i.postimg.cc/SNwkpyqZ/Patio-LAT-1976-10-19.jpg
LA Times, 10/19/1976

The seating shown in the photo is not arguably "in the parking lot"; but it could be that what is shown did not comprise the full complement of tables available.

:shrug:

According to a note in the LA Times of August 2, 1977, it was by that date under new management, and so in due course might have dropped the "Cassell's."

sadykadie2 May 13, 2022 3:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noir_noir (Post 9622995)
:previous:

Do you have a symmetrical face?

If yes ... Is this you?

https://i.imgur.com/kyvoscn.jpg

:d:d:d

odinthor May 13, 2022 7:51 PM

Collection agency J.P Butler, Long Beach (or Signal Hill?), ca. 1959.

https://i.postimg.cc/ryhfnkrz/Butler001.jpg
odinthor collection

Noir_Noir May 14, 2022 2:41 AM

:previous:


This is the listed address for J. P. Butler Collections from 1953 to 1960.


https://i.imgur.com/B9e2mkY.jpg
lbpl.contentdm.oclc.org



I think this is the building on a 1960 aerial.


https://i.imgur.com/pMDrKSa.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu


J. P. Butler got into bad trouble for a collector around this time.


https://i.imgur.com/hkLCWEN.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - San Bernardino Sun,30 January 1960


3139 Atlantic Ave. is listed as vacant in the 1961 directory.


The building fell prey to Interstate 405 a year or two later.


https://i.imgur.com/TN9GPsw.jpg
Google Maps

Mackerm May 14, 2022 5:29 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/QdBQNxDq/Federa...e-Building.jpg
LAPL

The Stephen M. White statue has been discussed extensively, but what about its amazing pedestal? What happened to it? The statue was relocated twice, each time with a less impressive perch.

But the original pedestal was enormous, and enormously expensive. The project had of budget of $25,000 dollars in 1906. A series of granite steps held its base - a six-foot cube of white California granite. Not quite as large as the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier (a 56 ton block of marble).

One has to wonder what Mr. White did to inspire such a tribute.

Healdsburg Tribune

The contract for the pedestal itself went to the Raymond Granite Co. of Raymond, California for $8,975.

Monumental News. Google Books

The Raymond Granite Quarry produces a product called Sierra White.

Visit to the Raymond/Knowles Granite Quarries

Red Sandstone Courthouse Ruins



https://i.postimg.cc/9M2ZBd7x/Civic-Center.jpg
LAPL

In this 1958 photo, the statue is still in its original location on its pedistal, barely visible at the bottom center.


https://i.postimg.cc/QHLHdDg6/002-la...da-3645-oi.jpg
Orlando Informer

A Noble Spirit Embiggens the Smallest Man.

ethereal_reality May 14, 2022 7:21 PM

.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9622995)
:previous:

Do you have a symmetrical face?

If yes ... is this you?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/sCQ13B.jpg

It's hard to tell with that Satanic dagger driven through my skull.



me in Los Angeles, 1984.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/3bA6GO.jpg
A photographer friend took this at the Patio del Moro apartments on Fountain Ave.



Patio Hamburgers location possibility.

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9623830)
Cassell's Patio at 3300 W. 6th:

https://i.postimg.cc/SNwkpyqZ/Patio-LAT-1976-10-19.jpg
LA Times, 10/19/1976

According to a note in the LA Times of August 2, 1977, it was by that date under new management, and so in due course might have dropped the "Cassell's."

hmm. . .possibly, odinthor, but it still doesn't ring a bell. I briefly lived on 6th St. but it was west of Fairfax. . .quite a distance from Cassel's.

GaylordWilshire, thanks for locating the two Sunset Blvd. mystery slides. :) I really appreciate it.
I should have recognized La Rue. *shakes head*


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ethereal_reality May 14, 2022 10:21 PM

lol. I just noticed there's a photobomb in the Patio Hamburgers slide too.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/f2Lxrv.jpg

Patio Hamburgers mystery slide

ethereal_reality May 14, 2022 10:58 PM

I happened upon this slide yesterday but I believe it has already sold.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/wzFznh.jpg
Hollywood Freeway



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/TUYqpJ.jpg

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Noir_Noir May 15, 2022 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9622983)

The Patio Hamburger's (note the apostrophe) MISSING WORD (1980s?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/dozcxx.jpg

The half-faced dude behind the post looks like me in the 1980s. .I'm trying to remember if I was ever there. (if we figure out the location maybe it will ring a bell)


e_r you posted this slide a few weeks back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9609891)
.

Here's another slide dated 1968...Los Angeles, California. (but where in Los Angeles)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/IuwExR.jpg
eBay

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"The Patio" in the picture was pinpointed by riichkay at 2736 Wilshire Blvd, Santa Monica.

The two ebay slides possibly from the same batch and feature the same "The Patio". :shrug:

odinthor May 15, 2022 6:41 PM

:previous:

Good catch, Noir_Noir!

Martin Pal May 15, 2022 9:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9625249)
.

me in Los Angeles, 1984.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/zyCAX5.jpg
.....
A photographer friend took this at the Patio del Moro apartments on Fountain Ave.
Do you see why I thought this might be me?
_________________________________________________________________

All I see is the Invisible Man...:shrug:

Noir_Noir May 16, 2022 5:26 PM

Toddle House, Culver City
 
Toddling back to this and follow up posts in 2014 -

Quote:

Originally Posted by salpytalian (Post 6398837)
Toddle House
5963 W. Washington Blvd, Los Angeles CA
"Girls A Poppin"
• Five solid hours of entertainment • Open 7 nights a week • No Cover • No admission charge • Free parking

http://25.media.tumblr.com/3ba90f80b...ytj1o1_500.jpg
Scan from my personal collection of matchbook covers

So, I could not find a single thing on this place. I've been researching and haven't found any leads yet. It’s almost as if it never existed… Does anyone recognize this or have any info? :???:

Not to be mistaken with the Toddle House chain of restaurants between the 1920's-80's.


And picked up again HERE in 2016 -



A haven for loose ladies and thugs. :) Is that an essential lookout tower?


https://i.imgur.com/kprhjar.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Daily News, 7 August 1953



A Billboard review from 1948 was generally positive on the entertainment but had a downer on poor ol' Ginger O' Dare. :( :D


https://i.imgur.com/OF0s29Q.jpg
archive.org - Billboard 1948-03-27


https://i.imgur.com/Poi3sxT.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Daily News, 3 March 1952


A badly worked up Daily News was on the warpath in 1953 to get the "cesspool" shut down.


https://i.imgur.com/ZGpYseM.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Daily News, 7 August 1953


For some balance, the entertainer Slick Slavin thought the Toddle House was a great place and that Johnny Toscano was a wonderful man.


https://i.imgur.com/XuLpcwa.jpg
classicshowbiz.blogspot.com



In the end it took two fires, and a suspicious character hanging about, for the Toddle House to be destroyed two days before 1954 dawned.


https://i.imgur.com/O5ubgH0.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Daily News, 31 December 1953

riichkay May 16, 2022 5:40 PM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds


The New Yorker has posted an interesting piece re Dennis Hopper's iconic "Double Standard" photo.... https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...ht-los-angeles

The article re-dates the image to '63/'64, replacing Hopper's recollection of 1961. 

odinthor May 16, 2022 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9626355)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds


The New Yorker has posted an interesting piece re Dennis Hopper's iconic "Double Standard" photo.... https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...ht-los-angeles

The article re-dates the image to '63/'64, replacing Hopper's recollection of 1961.


The palm tree in the distance on the right is majestically still there! The Eucalypti on the right, too.

https://i.postimg.cc/x8ShF7nd/Sant-Mon-Mel.jpg
gsv

The palm tree is at the corner of Melrose and Almont.

ethereal_reality May 17, 2022 6:44 PM

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Excellent post on the Toddler House, Noir Noir. ..I tried to dig up some additional information on poor Ginger O' Dare but came up empty. (her real name would have helped)


This snapshot just showed up on eBay

"VINTAGE PHOTOGRAPH '14 FLOOD RAILROAD BRIDGE ARROYO LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA PHOTO"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/mftibJ.jpg
eBay

Pretty exciting stuff but I couldn't help but notice the impressive house on the hill.




This house....Does anyone recognize it?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/rEbYD6.jpg

.................................The horse is sad because his barn was swept away.


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ethereal_reality May 18, 2022 4:12 AM

.
Here's another original snapshot currently listed on eBay

"VINTAGE PHOTOGRAPH 1920'S EGYPTIAN COURT FOUNTAIN AVE HOLLYWOOD CALIFORNIA PHOTO"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ge13Em.jpg
Link

This was going to be a mystery loc. until I noticed this. . .

The seller included Written on back:

" RISSMAN EGYPTIAN COURT AT 5141-1/2 FOUNTAIN AVE IN HOLLYWOOD NEAR LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA "



Much to my surprise, it's still there!


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/8LPk6E.jpg
GSV


Now I want to know if the statue (that appears in the 1920s snapshot) is still in place.

...........................................This Beauty.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/uo4kA3.jpg
detail





I attempted to gaze into the courtyard.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/xmFXlu.jpg

But it's impossible to see that far back.


Does anyone live in the area? :whip:
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Noir_Noir May 18, 2022 6:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9627293)
I tried to dig up some additional information on poor Ginger O' Dare but came up empty. (her real name would have helped)



Here's a signed Ginger O'Dare publicity picture for you.


https://i.imgur.com/Rx5sNgT.jpg
facebook.com - Burlyqnell - Vintage Photos of Burlesque Dancers


This odd little story from 1937 appears to indicate O'Dare was her real surname. :shrug:


https://i.imgur.com/iswNqP7.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Daily News, 9 April 1937


And she was the inspiration for a 1980's sitcom character.


The Cavanaughs, a sitcom which ran for two series on CBS in 1986 and 1989, was created by Robert Moloney.

The character Kit Cavanaugh in the series was loosely based on the life of Moloney's mother - Ginger O'Dare.

Kit in the series is a Las Vegas showgirl who returns to her Irish-Catholic family in Boston.

encyclopedia.com


Video Link

JeffDiego May 18, 2022 8:06 AM

Egyptian Court Bungalows
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9627765)
.
Here's another original snapshot currently listed on eBay

"VINTAGE PHOTOGRAPH 1920'S EGYPTIAN COURT FOUNTAIN AVE HOLLYWOOD CALIFORNIA PHOTO"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ge13Em.jpg
Link

This was going to be a mystery loc. until I noticed this. . .

The seller included Written on back:

" RISSMAN EGYPTIAN COURT AT 5141-1/2 FOUNTAIN AVE IN HOLLYWOOD NEAR LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA "



Much to my surprise, it's still there!


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/8LPk6E.jpg
GSV


Now I want to know if the statue (that appears in the 1920s snapshot) is still in place.

...........................................This Beauty.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/uo4kA3.jpg
detail





I attempted to gaze into the courtyard.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/xmFXlu.jpg

But it's impossible to see that far back.


Does anyone live in the area? :whip:
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What a find, Ethereal. Absolutely fascinating. Talk about living in a movie set. Yes, surely someone can get some current photos to show what it looks like now.

Noir_Noir May 18, 2022 5:15 PM

:previous:


Jack Rissman, owner of the Egyptian Court Apartments, and his wife robbed at gunpoint in 1925.


https://i.imgur.com/tEsLbAg.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Daily News, 6 January 1925

Flyingwedge May 19, 2022 4:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9624951)
https://i.postimg.cc/QdBQNxDq/Federa...e-Building.jpg
LAPL

The Stephen M. White statue has been discussed extensively, but what about its amazing pedestal? What happened to it? The statue was relocated twice, each time with a less impressive perch.

But the original pedestal was enormous, and enormously expensive. The project had of budget of $25,000 dollars in 1906. A series of granite steps held its base - a six-foot cube of white California granite.


See how there's no plaque at the bottom front of the pedestal in the photo above? But in this 1954 photo below, there's a
plaque in that spot that describes White's accomplishments:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...of_Records.jpg

examiner-c44-73927 @ USC Digital Library


Unfortunately, that plaque couldn't be used on the statue's new pedestal:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...ill_stands.jpg

October 30, 1958, San Pedro News-Pilot @ Newspapers.com


Maybe the county sold the granite pedestal at auction? If so, that may have been around the Spring/Summer of 1961, when the
pedestal's home, the "Plaza de la Justicia," was cleared. I think White's statue had been in the lower right corner of this photo:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...red_-_Copy.jpg

June 26, 1961, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via Los Angeles Public Library

ethereal_reality May 19, 2022 5:40 AM

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Ginger O'Dare was much more beautiful than I expected, Noir Noir. Thanks for posting the publicity still.




re: The odd crime story.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/GMtGJV.jpg
edited

My curiosity was piqued so I dug a bit further and found out that Robert Irwin has a Los Angeles connection, or more precisely, a Pasadena connection.


First of all, here is poor Veronica Gedeon, Robert Irwin's New York murder victim.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/t0R4Kx.jpg
ephemeralnewyork


And again.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/hJN4Ee.jpg
archetron





And here's Robert Irwin after his arrest in 1937. ..(the same year he sent the flowers to Ginger O'Dare)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/7HNiP5.jpg
eBay

The Los Angeles connection?


Let's start with Robert Irwin's real name. . .drumroll. . .his full birth name is Fenelon Arroyo Seco Irwin. I kid you not! (see below)


The son of evangelist parents, Irwin was actually born in Arroyo Seco Park near Pasadena, California on August 5, 1907. He was named for the nearby river (as was the park) and one of his father's favorite theologians, François Fénelon. Hence, he entered life as Fenelon Arroyo Seco Irwin.

This also caught my attention:...Being a sculptor, Irwin idolized Larado Taft, one of the leading sculptors of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and later moved in with Taft's family. Then, working in a waxworks studio in Los Angeles, Irwin carved commercial busts of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and other public figures."


Being of an inquisitive nature, :) I am now trying to figure out which "waxwork studio" Irwin worked at in Los Angeles.




Robert George Irwin
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/3uVnyc.jpg

Irwin was convicted of the triple slaying and committed to a New York State mental hospital for life. (he died in 1975)

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Noir_Noir May 19, 2022 4:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9628709)

This also caught my attention:...Being a sculptor, Irwin idolized Larado Taft, one of the leading sculptors of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and later moved in with Taft's family. Then, working in a waxworks studio in Los Angeles, Irwin carved commercial busts of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and other public figures."


Being of an inquisitive nature, :) I am now trying to figure out which "waxwork studio" Irwin worked at in Los Angeles.


He worked for a while at the waxworks studio of Katherine Stuberg and also at A1 Decorating.


https://i.imgur.com/vxQYUEe.jpg
Google Books - The Mad Sculptor By Harold Schechter


https://i.imgur.com/8PnBvWT.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


I cannot find a location for the Stuberg studio. :???:


Here's Katherine Stuberg working on Albert Einstein.


https://i.imgur.com/dLeAPlZ.jpg
gettyimages.com


And with a lifesize Franklin D. Roosevelt figure.


https://i.imgur.com/NpXbBCc.jpg
archive.org - Hollywood-Sport-Broadway 1943-10-12


This is a bust of Herbert Hoover sculpted by Robert Irwin.


https://i.imgur.com/Ip2iJgT.jpg
hoover.blogs.archives.gov


Just before those jobs Robert Irwin also worked with the sculptor Carlo Romanelli for about a year in 1927/28


https://i.imgur.com/dCA5KLQ.jpg
Google Books - The Mad Sculptor By Harold Schechter


Romanelli had a studio at his home on N. Hoover St.


https://i.imgur.com/GFC3mFI.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


What's left of it.


https://i.imgur.com/jlhJVMf.jpg
redfin.com

odinthor May 19, 2022 6:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9629074)

[...]

I cannot find a location for the Stuberg studio. :???:

[...]

Ca. 1936, she lived at 1306 Gordon (just off Fountain) with an artist. They might have had a joint studio there.

https://i.postimg.cc/Bvkx9ZXs/Stuberg-36-CD.jpg
1936 LA City Directory

Here's 1306 Gordon nowadays:

https://i.postimg.cc/B6F2qWKF/Stuberg-1306-Gordon.jpg
gsv

Martin Pal May 19, 2022 7:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9626355)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds

The New Yorker has posted an interesting piece re Dennis Hopper's iconic "Double Standard" photo.... https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...ht-los-angeles

The article re-dates the image to '63/'64, replacing Hopper's recollection of 1961.
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The version of this photo that I've been acquainted with is this one:

https://montrealrampage.com/wp-conte...n-voyeur1.jpeg

As you notice, the edges are cropped from the version shown in riichkay's post. I mention this because in the top version on the left side it appears to show that the center of Santa Monica Blvd. is being used as parking spaces (correct?) ...and that is something I have never seen before in any photo of this area.
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In the linked article it says:
Hopper took about a dozen pictures of Geldzahler at the billboard factory, and then, while driving west on Hollywood Boulevard near Musso & Frank Grill, he and Geldzahler encountered the weird spectacle of a woman lying in the middle of the street. This Hopper photograph would become known as “Untitled (Hollywood’s Largest Toy Shop with fallen woman).”

Here's that photo: (I didn't find it in a search of NLA.)

https://d7hftxdivxxvm.cloudfront.net...normalized.jpgArtsy

Noir_Noir May 20, 2022 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9629262)
Ca. 1936, she lived at 1306 Gordon (just off Fountain) with an artist. They might have had a joint studio there.

https://i.postimg.cc/Bvkx9ZXs/Stuberg-36-CD.jpg
1936 LA City Directory


Thanks odinthor.

That is one of the two Katherine Stuberg(h)s - mother (K.C) and daughter (K.M) who both sculpted in wax.

I needed to add a "h" to find the studio. :)


In the 1920's -

https://i.imgur.com/9wFhd2x.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


They moved the studio to Beverly Blvd. in the late 1930's -

https://i.imgur.com/prv9I1m.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


The Stuberghs provided the wax figures for The Motion Picture Museum and Hall Of Fame in the early 1930's.


https://i.imgur.com/PUW2mOp.jpg
waxipedia.blogspot.com

https://i.imgur.com/1iMznIZ.jpg
waxipedia.blogspot.com

odinthor May 20, 2022 3:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9629643)

[...]

The Stuberghs provided the wax figures for The Motion Picture Museum and Hall Of Fame in the early 1930's.


https://i.imgur.com/PUW2mOp.jpg
waxipedia.blogspot.com

[...]

The building's a survivor!

https://i.postimg.cc/mkcsts4b/5939-Sunset.jpg
gsv

Godzilla May 20, 2022 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9629767)
The building's a survivor!

https://i.postimg.cc/mkcsts4b/5939-Sunset.jpg
gsv




Maybe wishful thinking?


Quote:

The building, located at 5939 Sunset Boulevard, was built in 1924 and started out as a luxury car showroom, the Peerless Motor Company. In 1934, the building was used as offices for radio station KNX, which remained until 1938. After that, it was turned it into Max Reinhardt Studio Workshop, which provided space to workshop stage productions and a school providing acting and radio classes. KMPC, which began in 1927, moved into the space in 1944 from it offices in Beverly Hills. In 1944 the station moved to 5939 Sunset Boulevard and finally in 1968 to 5858 Sunset Boulevard (today home to KTLA). In 1976 the building became home to the Old Spaghetti Factory restaurant. KMPC's final broadcast was in 1997. The call letters now belong to Radio Korea, an all Korean radio station. The building was razed in 2012 to make way for the 22-story Sunset/Gordon Tower. In response to protests from citizens wanting to have the building preserved, the developer partially recreated the original facade. After opening in 2014, a judge issued a ruling invalidating the construction permits, saying city officials improperly allowed the developer to demolish the building.
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=27263

sopas ej May 20, 2022 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9629298)
As you notice, the edges are cropped from the version shown in riichkay's post. I mention this because in the top version on the left side it appears to show that the center of Santa Monica Blvd. is being used as parking spaces (correct?) ...and that is something I have never seen before in any photo of this area.

I was wondering about that myself. Also, it appears that that stretch of Santa Monica Blvd. had 2-way traffic on both sides of the median? I'm wondering if that was the case? Kinda like Huntington Drive once did through South Pasadena and San Marino.

ethereal_reality May 20, 2022 10:25 PM

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RE: 5939-45 Sunset Blvd. at Gordon.

Godzilla is correct. The Old Spaghetti Factory facade was (illegally) torn down in 2011. But the Spaghetti Factory facade wasn't original and, in my humble opinion, rather unattractive. As you can see, scavenged columns and metal framework from an entirely different building were added. (what's up with that?)


Spaghetti Factory facade.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/LdXaYP.jpg



Here's the original facade of 5939-45 Sunset Blvd. - It was built as Peerless Automobile Showroom.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/zi1KzE.jpg
jhgraham

The replica is more in tune with the original facade. . than with whatever was going on with the Spaghetti Factory facade..






And here is the facade when the building was home to KNX Radio.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/XGd6wc.jpg
paradiseleased


So I wonder what happened to the original columns?
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ethereal_reality May 21, 2022 2:49 AM

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Further reading for anyone who's interested..

5939-45 Sunset Blvd. at Gordon.

Hollywood Daily Citizen, June 25, 1924.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/BTfAjX.jpg
jhgraham




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/wexRYs.jpg
jhgraham

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ethereal_reality May 21, 2022 6:38 PM

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Noir Noir, thanks for locating the studios where Robert Irwin worked while in Los Angeles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9629074)
Romanelli had a studio at his home on N. Hoover St.


https://i.imgur.com/GFC3mFI.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

What's left of it.


https://i.imgur.com/jlhJVMf.jpg
redfin.com

If the lot sells and human remains are found we know who the culprit is.




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/mCaNlJ.jpg
alchedtron


Ok, I'm done beating this dead horse.
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CaliNative May 22, 2022 8:26 PM

[QUOTE=Noir_Noir;9629074]He worked for a while at the waxworks studio of Katherine Stuberg and also at A1 Decorating.

This is a bust of Herbert Hoover sculpted by Robert Irwin.


https://i.imgur.com/Ip2iJgT.jpg
hoover.blogs.archives.gov

:previous:

A brief treatise on men's collars

Hoover gave up his stiff starched detachable collars sometime between losing to FDR in 1932, and chairing the government reorganization committee in the early 1950s when I have seen pictures of him with comfortable modern attached business collars as part of his shirt. Modern attached collars in dress business shirts appeared at least as early as the mid 1920s (Arrow shirts with attached collars), but some like Hoover kept wearing the uncomfortable high starched collars. At some point, Hoover choose comfort. His collars must have been so uncomfortable in Washington summers. The military and most workingmen and people at leisure had been wearing shirts with attached unstarched collars that looked modern as early as 1900, since it was an annoyance to attach the starched collars plus they were uncomfortable. Imagine being under fire and having to attach a collar in a battle. In dress uniforms, formal attached collars may still have been used, not sure. Most businessmen and politicians kept their old starched detachable collars on until the mid 1920s. When they left work and got home, they usually removed the collars which were attached to the shirt by fasteners, especially in hot weather. The shirts without the collars resembled a t-shirt with long sleeves (short sleeve dress shirts didn't appear until the 1930s, although short sleeve undershirts and polo shirts existed in the 1920s--men just rolled up their sleeves in hot weather). In photos of the 1925 Scopes Trial, both Bryan and Darrow removed their collars even in court because it was so hot. Pictures exist. In the many photos of the 1920s I have seen, it seems that by 1927 or 1928, modern collars were becoming dominant, tuxedo wing collars and high Hoover collars less common except in the most formal settings. By 1929, most of the traders on the floor of the stock exchange appeared to be wearing modern attached collars and business suits in pictures I have seen of the Great Crash. But Hoover persisted with his high collars long after. And tuxedo suits with wing collars are still rented and worn in formal settings like weddings, formal proms and parties, and diplomatic events. Tradition.

JeffDiego May 23, 2022 1:23 AM

High starched collars
 
[QUOTE=CaliNative;9631308]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9629074)
He worked for a while at the waxworks studio of Katherine Stuberg and also at A1 Decorating.

This is a bust of Herbert Hoover sculpted by Robert Irwin.


https://i.imgur.com/Ip2iJgT.jpg
hoover.blogs.archives.gov

:previous:

A brief treatise on men's collars

Hoover gave up his stiff starched detachable collars sometime between losing to FDR in 1932, and chairing the Truman government reorganization committee in the 1940s when I have seen pictures of him with comfortable modern attached business collars as part of his shirt. Modern attached collars in dress business shirts appeared at least as early as the mid 1920s (Arrow shirts with attached collars), but some like Hoover kept wearing the uncomfortable high starched collars. At some point, Hoover choose comfort. His collars must have been so uncomfortable in Washington summers. The military and most workingmen and people at leisure had been wearing shirts with attached unstarched collars that looked modern as early as 1900, since it was an annoyance to attach the starched collars plus they were uncomfortable. Imagine being under fire and having to attach a collar in a battle. In dress uniforms, formal attached collars may still have been used, not sure. Most businessmen and politicians kept their old starched detachable collars on until the mid 1920s. In the many photos of the 1920s I have seen, it seems that by 1927 or 1928, modern collars were becoming dominant, tuxedo wing collars and high Hoover collars less common except in the most formal settings. By 1929, most of the traders on the floor of the stock exchange appeared to be wearing modern attached collars and business suits in pictures I have seen of the Great Crash. But Hoover persisted with his high collars long after. And tuxedo suits with wing collars are still rented and worn in formal settings like weddings, formal proms and parties, and diplomatic events. Tradition.

Interesting history lesson. Thanks. Indeed, can you imagine wearing a high starched collar in D.C. in the Summer? Whew.


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