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Very interesting, e_r. Of course I've read all there is to read about the case, all the crackpot books included, and have taken a look at all the gruesome pictures. I guess my feeling has been that they are pretty readily accessible elsewhere, that it's already a cottage industry, and I guess I thought that the Times article I posted below is perhaps lurid enough for Noirish, and interesting in that there are so many early details in it, before the case became such a cause célèbre. As far as the famous severed pics and the autopsy shots go... I do cringe when I see them, and it does seem like a gross continuing violation of the victim. And I wonder where the architecture angle would be.... but, majority rules on whether they'd be ok here. Perhaps just links to them? EDIT I just read the above and think I sound mighty priggish! Maybe even prudish! Anyway, as I said, majority rules. Also... I think Harry Chandler did it. |
There really isn't an 'architectural' angle....it's the 'noirish' angle I was thinking about G_W.
I like your idea that links could be used for the most gruesome photographs. |
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Checked March 7, 2011 images...nothing left, just scattered debris in an empty lot.:( http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/6...3de0a992_b.jpg |
Are you sure rcarlton? I thought the views I posted were also 2011.
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I found these interesting ads from 1907 on ebay the other day.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1...ad1907ebay.jpg ebay http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1...07ebay2012.jpg ebay I checked my 1947 map and found a Miramonte Blvd. that runs from Slausen Ave. on the north to Firestone Blvd. (aka Manchester Blvd.) on the south. |
Elizabeth Short's body was found in what is now someones front yard on South Norton between Coliseum and 39th Street.
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Detail of the 1907 Miramonte Park ad.
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/6...07ebaycopy.jpg ebay Mr. Spaulding's office was on the second floor of the impressive H.W. Hellman building at Spring & Fourth. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4...rsofficein.jpg lapl The H.W. Hellman Building still stands at Spring & Fourth. :) http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4...rsofficein.jpg google street view below: His office on the second floor would have been level with the decorative 'cartouches' that display the initials H.W.H. http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/264...rhwhellman.jpg google street view detail I love going back in time like this. :) _____ |
Re the gruesome Black Dahlia photos...
Maybe it's partly because I feel haunted by the Delmer Dobbs story that I posted today, but I think I would rather not see them here. |
WOW! Page 300!
A huge thank you again to ethereal_reality for starting this thread that has become such a treasured and respected resource on Los Angeles area history!:multibow
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Three blocks wide, running south from Slauson... alleys behind the lots, as indicated on Google maps... between Compton Ave and the Metro Blue Line.... I had to go look... and I'm wanting the taller gabled house at right to be the same one in the 1907 picture. The just-planted palms in that picture could be the soaring trees that line Miramonte today (the rows are much more intact behind the Google camera). This is Miramonte Blvd looking north from East 66th St. I love the perennial hype of real estate ads... could you really see mountains from all the way down on 66th Street? And could you really get to downtown L.A. in 12 minutes? |
Diana Ballroom?
I'm loving everyone's detective work so much, that i'm curious if anyone knows about this.
There was a place called Diana Ballroom in the late 1930's at 4067 W. Pico Blvd. This is what i came up with from Google, i can't make out the top of the sign and it's hard to believe it would still be there. The Trianon Ballroom at 2800 Firestone Blvd. was torn down as well just a few years ago. All these old Ballrooms have disappeared =( https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N...naballroom.png |
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https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2...2520AM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View The top of the sign says "Catch One"... as in Jewel's Catch One. No mention on its website of its time as the Diana Ballroom, but there is this: "The history of Jewel’s Catch One is legendary. This is the club where Madonna held her CD release party. “Beaches” starring Bette Midler, Keenen Ivory Wayans’s, “I’m Gonna Get You Sucker”, “BAP” (Black American Princess) starring Hallie Berry, Angela Basset in “I Tina”, and Julia Roberts in “Pretty Woman”, several episodes of “Cold Case”, and numerous TV shows and videos have also been shot on the premises. The Catch has also played host to numerous famous celebrities and politicians, who have graced us with their presence." http://catchonenightclub.com/about-the-catch/ The intersection of Pico and Norton is a rare intact one... across Norton is this complementary confection... https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y...2520AM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View ...and across Pico from the two buildings above is the great Forum Theater... https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L...2520AM.bmp.jpgGoogle Street View http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015299.jpgLAPL ...which we've covered here before: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4448 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4449 |
Black Dahlia Murder Photos
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The photos of Elizabeth Short are easy to find on Google Images, so that no new ground will be broken by posting them here. No need to offend people who are visiting the site and don't want to see them. |
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and i just found it in my 1943 Telephone directory it's still open for business as, Diana Ballroom Strangers Social Club at the above listed address. Looking at these google map pics, mistake me if i'm wrong, but the age of that building Looks like it is the place. (the story behind Diana Ballroom is that, it was where all best dancers went. The Manager Ray Rand started a dance team using the young dancers, and they went on to appear in many films. This is where dance directors came in search for talent, such as Nick Castle, Louis Dapron, Judy Garland with her then boyfriend Ray Hirsch went there to social dance, because it was away from the more popular and expensive places, which tended to be full of squares. These Ray Rand dancers were just young Jitterbugs, but because of the Diana Ballroom and Ray Rand, they traveled, toured as far as Australia, did Feature Films...and many of these dancers would continue to be friends their whole lives. The last living member just passed away HAL Takier 1917-2012. But You can still catch a handful of 1930's and 40's dancers still swinging away every other Sunday at Golden Sails in Long Beach on PCH). |
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I agree that there is no need to post the pics of poor Beth Short post mort.
However, one could still dive into the mystery of where did she go after walking away from the Biltmore. Moreover, where would the murder have taken place? Donald Wolfe's books holds that this took place in a bungalow apt. at 836 Catalina, not far from the Ambassador Hotel. I'm gonna head that way this coming Sunday and take some snaps. |
I just ran across this shot of the exterior of the remodeled Knickerbocker...
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For more, here's the full earlier post featuring the hotel, starring William Frawley and the dress designer Irene...with cameos by Gary Cooper and... Elvis: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3107 |
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