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BlackDog204 Mar 9, 2022 1:34 AM

Winnipeg CMA in 5 years (2026)
 
What will the population of Winnipeg CMA be on July 1 2026 (including the under-count)?

Technically, Stats Canada has the Winnipeg CMA population at 834,678, but population estimates have the population 852,771 (which includes the under-count).

I predict that the Winnipeg CMA will be 896,500 by 2026. It will fall just shy of that elusive 900K number.

thebasketballgeek Mar 9, 2022 2:07 AM

I think the estimates will be 905k or higher, but the undercount in the census will pull it down to 890-900k.

I remain cautiously optimistic. Hopefully our future growth can start shifting to inner-city neighbourhoods instead of the edge of the city.

BlackDog204 Mar 9, 2022 2:44 AM

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Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek (Post 9561032)
I think the estimates will be 905k or higher, but the undercount in the census will pull it down to 890-900k.

I remain cautiously optimistic. Hopefully our future growth can start shifting to inner-city neighbourhoods instead of the edge of the city.

Back in the mid 90s when I became an adult, I never understood why places like River Heights, Cresentwood, Riverview, and Wolsey had so many cheap homes, as I lived off Corydon near the 7-11 on Niagara. I kept thinking this is the absolute perfect area of the city.

If only I had taken out a loan to buy a house, instead of moving to Alberta for 5 years, I saw the value of the properties in those neighbourhoods skyrocket a decade. How is Old St.B? I always loved Norwood and especially the area north of Provencher.

Even West Broadway is so much different from the 90s. It went from being a part of the hood, to a desirable part of the city to live in. I hope the West End experiences the good fortune of Wolsey and West B.

thebasketballgeek Mar 9, 2022 3:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204 (Post 9561058)
If only I had taken out a loan to buy a house, instead of moving to Alberta for 5 years, I saw the value of the properties in those neighbourhoods skyrocket a decade. How is Old St.B? I always loved Norwood and especially the area north of Provencher .

Old St. Boniface is one of the areas currently growing steady but I can see a boom incoming. It’s too convenient of an area with very high safety for an inner-city neighbourhood. The development going on there is great, and once I move out of Waverley West it’s at the top of my list as a place where I would raise my family.

Councillor Allard even has the audacity to take a lane off of Provencher Blvd and convert it to a protected bike lane in the near future (great idea imo).

BlackDog204 Mar 9, 2022 3:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek (Post 9561100)
Old St. Boniface is one of the areas currently growing steady but I can see a boom incoming. It’s too convenient of an area with the added caveat of relatively affordable prices and very high safety for an inner-city neighbourhood. The development going on there is great, and once I move out of Waverley West it’s at the top of my list as a place where I would raise my family.

Councillor Allard even has the audacity to take a lane off of Provencher Blvd and convert it to a protected bike lane in the near future (great idea imo).

Do it.

Waverley West is a suburban wasteland. I know since I grew up in Fort Garry. The inner city has so much character, and is generally underrated. Same goes with River Park South, Island Lakes/Southdale, Canterbury Park, or Amber Trails. There is so much character is some of the old neighborhoods, transit is better, closer to all amenities of the city. Most are also close proximity to the rivers, which is great to walk along.

dennis Mar 9, 2022 3:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204 (Post 9561107)
Do it.

Waverley West is a suburban wasteland. I know since I grew up in Fort Garry. The inner city has so much character, and is generally underrated. Same goes with River Park South, Island Lakes/Southdale, Canterbury Park, or Amber Trails. There is so much character is some of the old neighborhoods, transit is better, closer to all amenities of the city. Most are also close proximity to the rivers, which is great to walk along.

Weren’t the original plans to have a more walkable neighbourhood with storefronts facing the streets and more sidewalks and active transit corridors? Was it all scaled back?

BlackDog204 Mar 9, 2022 3:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dennis (Post 9561121)
Weren’t the original plans to have a more walkable neighbourhood with storefronts facing the streets and more sidewalks and active transit corridors? Was it all scaled back?

Yes, it was more than scaled back. Waverley West is just another cookie cutter suburb.

thebasketballgeek Mar 9, 2022 3:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204 (Post 9561133)
Yes, it was more than scaled back. Waverley West is just another cookie cutter suburb.

Tbf Bridgwater Centre hasn’t been fully built out and a lot of the missing lots will be 3-6 storey mixed use buildings from viewing the current approved projects. It will never be St. Boniface for sure but it’ll have spurts of walkability sprinkled in to mostly car-centric development.

Still not gonna change my mind to moving into the inner-city but I would love to keep my current property because I know property values will increase dramatically just on the basis of future development in the area.

Here’s an idea of what’s being built here: https://janicelukes.ca/blog/snapshot...ley-west-ward/.

It’s missing a new hotel being approved and another 508 unit proposal for 3 different buildings. I’ll give that link below hopefully it’s still going to happen.

https://www.prairiearchitects.ca/bridgwater-town-centre

Jammon Mar 9, 2022 5:09 PM

I voted for 890K- 904K. I think the diaspora of Ukrainian refugees could play a significant impact as well the the growing call for more international immigration to prop up our system, such as nursing shortages. Even our own PC government is looking for ways to streamline registration processes for those who are qualified to work in a professional role. Something I never thought I'd see from a PC government.

Wpgstvsouth94 Apr 25, 2022 7:16 PM

Anyone know what’s going on with the population estimates for Manitoba? I’ve been watching it lately and we just keep dropping. A month ago we were 1,392,895 but now we are all the way down to 1,392,002. Super weird we are about to drop to 1,391,000 again. Any opinions??

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...018005-eng.htm

thebasketballgeek Apr 25, 2022 7:41 PM

I think an underlooked part is that people haven’t been really taking their yearly vacation (atleast I haven’t) so people just want to gtfo any way possible. A lot of my friends that moved just wanted a change of pace that Winnipeg didn’t offer to them. I noticed when I took vacations I actually appreciate the small things that the city/province offers like cleaner air, better tap water, minimal traffic, and of course the people.

Living in Manitoba for 2 years continuously and dealing with the crazy weather takes an unbelievable mental toll on someone too. My thinking on why people are moving out is nothing unusual for interprovincial migration in this province for the last century which is weather, flat geography, and incompetent governance.

esquire Apr 25, 2022 7:48 PM

I've heard the theory that outflows have continued as usual, but inflows have slowed down due to COVID. Not sure that there's anything to that though, as you'd think both would be equally affected?

Winnipegger Apr 25, 2022 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94 (Post 9607994)
Anyone know what’s going on with the population estimates for Manitoba? I’ve been watching it lately and we just keep dropping. A month ago we were 1,392,895 but now we are all the way down to 1,392,002. Super weird we are about to drop to 1,391,000 again. Any opinions??

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...018005-eng.htm

Not sure how granular the data is that Statistics Canada has access to, but I'm assuming it is more detailed than what they publish online. I'm guessing it has to do with the timing if births, deaths, international, and interprovincial migration. During certain periods, we get an influx of births and migrants which results in net positive growth, and then over time the population declines marginally as people die or leave for other provinces.

On net, all the currently-available data points to decent population growth in Manitoba (July 2021 to July 2022) for the upcoming July 1 estimate - permanent and non-permanent international migration to Manitoba is back to pre-pandemic levels based on the latest data from IRCC which should add substantial growth, but this will be offset by significant declines in fertility rates that were observed during the pandemic (people having less kids) and a small uptick in deaths, so the natural increase to population in Manitoba (and Canada) is very small. Interprovincial out-migration will likely continue to be very high, and I don't see this coming down anytime soon. But on net, population growth should be positive this coming July, and larger than last year.

Think of population change like a bucket: You've got a very big cup (international migration) and a small cup (natural increase) dumping water into a bucket. But Manitoba's bucket has two leaks, one is very big (people leaving Manitoba for other provinces) and one is small (deaths). During COVID, international migration and natural increase fell, while people leaving to other provinces (mainly BC, AB, and ON) increased significantly, along with deaths. In the short term, migration is heading back up to normal levels, but births will be likely be suppressed. Migration out of province largely depends on the economic state of other provinces, so its difficult to predict where that figure is headed.

Luisito Apr 26, 2022 3:35 PM

Much of that growth will come from the growing Punjabi community. A decade ago Filipinos were the main visible minority group in Wpg. That is no longer the case. The indian community here is growing extremely fast. I have never seen anything like it.

esquire Apr 26, 2022 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Luisito (Post 9608704)
Much of that growth will come from the growing Punjabi community. A decade ago Filipinos were the main visible minority group in Wpg. That is no longer the case. The indian community here is growing extremely fast. I have never seen anything like it.

That's interesting. For a while it felt like there was going to be a huge uptick in immigration for China... there was very little of it through most of the 90s but then it started to accelerate by the latter part of the decade. It has been steady but it never really hit overdrive.

By contrast, it's interesting to see the growth in the Indian community. I suppose there is a sufficiently large critical mass that makes it easier for others to come over? Filipino people have rightfully become a large part of the city's identity but it's not quite the case with the Indian community. I wonder if that will change in the years ahead?

Luisito Apr 26, 2022 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 9608722)
That's interesting. For a while it felt like there was going to be a huge uptick in immigration for China... there was very little of it through most of the 90s but then it started to accelerate by the latter part of the decade. It has been steady but it never really hit overdrive.

By contrast, it's interesting to see the growth in the Indian community. I suppose there is a sufficiently large critical mass that makes it easier for others to come over? Filipino people have rightfully become a large part of the city's identity but it's not quite the case with the Indian community. I wonder if that will change in the years ahead?

I think it already has. I noticced in my car when listening to the radio we already have 2 or 3 indian/Punjabi radio stations.

Biff Sep 28, 2022 2:18 PM

Stats Can update - Manitoba has passed 1.4m

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Originally Posted by KnoxfordGuy (Post 9744491)
3rd quarter population numbers are out for July 1st.

The population clock has been updated and now reads as follows as of 11:15am Atlantic:

Newfoundland and Labrador 527,779

Prince Edward Island 172,354

Nova Scotia 1,027,618

New Brunswick 818,004

Quebec 8,721,475

Ontario 15,186,163

Manitoba 1,413,597

Saskatchewan 1,197,950

Alberta 4,565,970

British Columbia 5,349,660

Yukon 43,943

Northwest Territories 45,586

Nunavut 40,702


Winnipegger Sep 28, 2022 3:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Biff (Post 9744498)
Stats Can update - Manitoba has passed 1.4m

Province had recent record high net international migration (+24,000 people) but also recent record high net interprovincial out-migration (-10,000 people).

So much of Canada's economic growth is tied to population growth, and yet our local politicians basically ignore what is one of the biggest glaring issues in this province: thousands of people leaving for Alberta, Ontario, and BC every single year. If Manitoba had "average" out-migration for the last 30 years, we'd have an extra 150,000 people and Winnipeg would have an extra 100,000 people more-or-less.

Politicians across all sides of the spectrum always talk about "growing the economy" but consistently fail to even acknowledge the biggest issue, which is people leaving the province. Sure, politicians here have no control over our cold weather or lack of mountains or lack of Big 5 bank head offices or lack of oil in the ground, but there are a few things related to infrastructure, education, cleanliness, and reconciliation with Indigenous people they could be doing better at that would help at least stem some of the tide of people leaving.

More people will choose to stay here if they feel safe, if the province looks clean, post-secondary education quality has a good reputation, infrastructure and transportation is adequate, parks are well kept, and local businesses see value in expanding and providing well paying jobs.

But so as long as people keep leaving in such large amounts, businesses will seek areas with bigger customer bases and job/salary growth will be more limited.

thurmas Sep 28, 2022 3:54 PM

I am wondering how many of these newcomers settled in Winkler Morden area and Steinbach due to their booming economies and even the $600 million Roquette plant in Portage may have swung some numbers.

harls Sep 30, 2022 3:19 PM

Winnipeg is most likely at 900K now, even with groaning and moaning.


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