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ethereal_reality Mar 29, 2016 4:59 PM

I'm on a roll this morning, here's another mystery location from 1950.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/4HMp0J.jpg
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2988-Glenw...sAAOSwJQdW-pAd

I tried to find the Glenway Market in the lapl data base, but the only result was in the 1919 Watts directory. (and it was for a Glenway Court), so I came up empty.

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odinthor Mar 29, 2016 5:12 PM

Can anyone figure out the address for this apartment building on N. Hill St., year 1919? http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/temp.html At first, I thought it was the HS tower looming at upper right; but maybe not...

sopas ej Mar 29, 2016 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7387309)
A mom poses with her daughter prior to leaving for Los Angeles.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/6JKBI0.jpg
eBay

I wonder if they're both going on the journey, or only the daughter.
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My guess is both, judging by the looks on their faces. I think a mother would look a little sad if her daughter were leaving.

ethereal_reality Mar 29, 2016 5:35 PM

Patty Duke just died. :(

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/K5Dnlq.jpg
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a372181b0a78

ethereal_reality Mar 29, 2016 5:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 7387440)
Can anyone figure out the address for this apartment building on N. Hill St., year 1919? At first, I thought it was the HS tower looming at upper right; but maybe not...

I've enlarged the image, and added contrast to get a better look at the tall building you mentioned odinthor.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/j9wddF.jpg
http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/temp.html

I hope this helps.

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Beaudry Mar 29, 2016 7:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7387362)
'mystery' location (from "Internet Movie Cars Database")


This screen-grab from the 1954 version of the 'A Star Is Born' shows a 1938 Ford COE Truck.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/0SyyYu.jpg
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_258130-Ford-COE-1938.html

But here on NLA, we're also interested in the location. Does anyone recognize the building with the corner turret?

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Oh yeah, that's the sw cnr of First & Flower—

http://i1.wp.com/farm4.static.flickr...size=493%2C476obh

—which we saw way back here in 2011.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XRrU8-3Nmi...%2Bcomment.jpg

Here's a tidbit I don't know has been shared—James Mason goes to visit Judy Garland at the Lancaster,

http://www.electricearl.com/labh/StarIsBorn-02.jpgdawsonbunkerhill

...which the filmmakers chose as a location just weeks or mere months after the famous Baxter Shorter snatch from the same pad, 121 N Flower:

http://derangedlacrimes.com/wp-conte...p_00030075.jpglapl

What are the odds?

HossC Mar 29, 2016 7:59 PM

This Julius Shulman is a little picture heavy, even though I've omitted the black & white images which are duplicated in color. It's "Job 4398: Hayahiko Takase, Kajima Building (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1968". City Hall in the background gives away the location.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

The Sumitomo Bank of California.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

And now the interior shots, two of which are in color.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

I'll just post a single "now" picture.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
GSV

Moses H. Sherman Mar 29, 2016 8:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7387077)

Curious note on this house at Mount Vernon and Fairway in the Baldwin Hills, it was the childhood home of Beach Boy Mike Love in the 50's. Brian Wilson was so fond of his childhood memories at his cousin Mike's house that he wrote a bizarre "Fairy Tale" song about it (this was during Brian's terrible early 70's 300lb bed ridden days). It was included as a EP with their 1973 Holland album titled (what else?) Mount Vernon and Fairway (A Fairy Tale):

Video Link

odinthor Mar 29, 2016 8:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7387496)
I've enlarged the image, and added contrast to get a better look at the tall building you mentioned odinthor.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/j9wddF.jpg
http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/temp.html

I hope this helps.

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Many thanks, e_r! The tower is completely consistent with that of the High School; but if the apartment building in question is the one adjacent to the HS on the south, its appearance differs from that of the structure I've otherwise seen at that site (granted, my frame of reference is somewhat earlier than 1919, so maybe it's just a new building). Hmm...

HossC Mar 29, 2016 10:33 PM

:previous:

Assuming that we're looking for a building next to the High School, I found the Foot Hill Apartments at 425 N Hill Street in the 1920 CD. That address is consistent with the 1921 Baist map. The online building records say that 425 N Hill was built in 1905 and demolished in 1936. It doesn't look like the apartments originally had a name, but in 1911 and 1913 they appear as the Fort Moore Apartments (they're missing from the 1912 CD). The Foot Hill name is also in the 1913 CD, and appears until 1929. I haven't found any pictures yet.

Beaudry Mar 29, 2016 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 7387801)
Many thanks, e_r! The tower is completely consistent with that of the High School; but if the apartment building in question is the one adjacent to the HS on the south, its appearance differs from that of the structure I've otherwise seen at that site (granted, my frame of reference is somewhat earlier than 1919, so maybe it's just a new building). Hmm...

It is perplexing! Here's what I've got:

So here we have 417 and 425 N Hill, about 1901—
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1571/...dfa3946d_z.jpgdenver

and we skip ahead to about 1904 and between them has been added 419/423 N Hill:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1508/...c66dbd52_b.jpgusc

But what's maddening is that the structure in your image should look like 425, instead of foursquare with a widow's walk! But then, if you look at the Sanborn from 1906, the outline of the structure in 1906 looks like the structure in your picture, and not like the building there in 1901/1904...

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1602/...aa53ce84_b.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/j9wddF.jpg

...which would mean that the apartment house from your image would have had to have been constructed before the 1906 Sanborn but after the ca. 1904 image above. And voilà! The permit from September 1905 for a three-story, 36-room apartment house at 425, just south of the tower. I think we got our man!

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1719/...819ff1a0_c.jpg

Now all we need is a post-'06 picture of that block of N Hill to clinch it...

HossC Mar 29, 2016 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7387425)

mystery location from 1950.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/4HMp0J.jpg
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2988-Glenw...sAAOSwJQdW-pAd

I tried to find the Glenway Market in the lapl data base, but the only result was in the 1919 Watts directory. (and it was for a Glenway Court), so I came up empty.

I found a single reference to a Glenway Market being at 1800 Glendale Boulevard, although I couldn't work out a date from the source. The entrance on the left of the building currently at that address looks consistent with the picture above. Going by Historic Aerials, there used to be a structure on what is now an empty plot to the left, but it's difficult to see any detail.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...t.jpg~original
GSV

I was curious about the wording of the caption. The term "petrol lorry", coupled with the spelling of "kerbside" and "travelling" suggest that the picture appeared in a publication which used British English. Then I spotted that e_r's eBay link has a .co.uk URL, so it probably does come from a British source.

ethereal_reality Mar 29, 2016 11:24 PM

:previous: Good sleuthing Hoss, you found the Glenway Market.

I wonder if there's anything left inside (well, besides rats ;)). That gsv makes me want to sneak inside.

*It looks like there's an ornamental cartouche between the two upper-story windows on the right.
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HenryHuntington Mar 30, 2016 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7387235)
Thanks once again for your expertise HH. -it's much appreciated.



'mystery' location.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/Kfk2B5.jpg
old file/ maybe eBay

If only the photographer had captured a little more of that building on the hill.......................................................................:previous:

-also note the wooden guard rails; makes me think this might be a temporary route.

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I think you're right about the "shoo-fly" that LATL 3125 is traversing, ER.

My best shot at the location is that we're looking northwest across E. 7th St., that the building on the hill is the Los Angeles Orphan Asylum (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=27505 and http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=27507) and that the "shoo-fly" was built for construction of the Santa Ana Freeway.

And thanks for your comment, ER. Much appreciated!

CityBoyDoug Mar 30, 2016 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7387965)
I found a single reference to a Glenway Market being at 1800 Glendale Boulevard, although I couldn't work out a date from the source. The entrance on the left of the building currently at that address looks consistent with the picture above. Going by Historic Aerials, there used to be a structure on what is now an empty plot to the left, but it's difficult to see any detail.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...t.jpg~original
GSV

I was curious about the wording of the caption. The term "petrol lorry", coupled with the spelling of "kerbside" and "travelling" suggest that the picture appeared in a publication which used British English. Then I spotted that e_r's eBay link has a .co.uk URL, so it probably does come from a British source.

Looking north west.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pszgmsxtt0.jpg
GSV

ethereal_reality Mar 30, 2016 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7387714)
Oh yeah, that's the sw cnr of First & Flower—

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...921/C8fPmO.jpgobh

:previous:Thanks for your help Beaudry.



I also like this photograph from your blog.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/ESnhqr.jpg
obh

:previous: This angle makes me wonder about that empty lot on the nw corner.

It's being used as a parking lot in the A Star Is Born screen-grab. So what was torn down by 1954?


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/LiISNb.jpg


I'm also curious about the two buildings on the right. -especially the white building (red arrow), -it's lines seem somewhat modern*
while the beige building next to it appears to be a victorian house. (I can see leaded glass about the front window)

*ok, maybe what I'm looking at is something propped up in the back of the truck.

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ethereal_reality Mar 30, 2016 1:23 AM

CityBoyDoug's north-west view shows an interesting building across the street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/BMA5fw.jpg
gsv



Have we 'visited' this building on NLA?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/sC34Sq.jpg
gsv




There appears to be writing (or is it numbers?) in the ornamental medallion above the center balcony.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/Ivg8qD.jpg
detail / gsv

It looks like a '68', but that can't be right.

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Flyingwedge Mar 30, 2016 4:36 AM

More on Second and San Pedro Streets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7387728)
This Julius Shulman is a little picture heavy, even though I've omitted the black & white images which are duplicated in color. It's "Job 4398: Hayahiko Takase, Kajima Building (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1968". City Hall in the background gives away the location.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

I'll just post a single "now" picture.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
GSV

The Kajima Building was built on the site of Don Antonio Lugo's 1819 adobe. The street on the left (closed in the "now" image) is
the original alignment of San Pedro Street north of Second Street.

Here's the area c. 1910, just after a new, realigned block of San Pedro Street had been cleared between First and Second Streets.
The Lugo Adobe is the long, low building behind the trees. The adobe lost some of its eastern end when the street behind it was built:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...i.jpg~original
CHS-6119 @ USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...coll65/id/4014

My post on the Lugo Adobe: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17284

Thanks once more for your Shulman series, Hoss.

Flyingwedge Mar 30, 2016 7:48 AM

Flower Street from 8th to 9th, 1890-1936
 
This is the inside of the 1st English Lutheran Church at 800 S. Flower, on the SE corner of 8th Street, in 1936. On the
other side of the wall we're looking at is Flower Street:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3hzzjzxh.jpg
00075345 @ LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075345.jpg

The exterior of the 1st English Lutheran Church, 1936. The demo permit for the church is dated February 1, 1937.
The church had been dedicated on April 13, 1890:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psl0lyd0rm.jpg
00075344 @ LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075344.jpg

Here's a nice, clear view of the church, c. 1930:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pspjiml7xo.jpg
00075347 @ LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075347.jpg

Here is the church looking a tad overgrown in 1926. Behind it on 8th Street is the 1st M. E. Church (1922) on the
SW corner of 8th and Hope. The tall building at right (1924) is now the Gas Company Lofts:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psrmyddw2j.jpg
00075346 @ LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075346.jpg

This 1916 photo looks at the east side of Flower Street toward 8th, with the 1st English Lutheran Church on the corner.
The next building south of the church is 810-12 S. Flower:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pscdolislm.jpg
00013875 @ LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013875.jpg

The Pierce Bros.' 810-12 S. Flower described:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psayyeped4.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psypcjb6yv.jpg
October 19, 1902, Los Angeles Times @ LAPL

This is a c. 1890 photo of the church, showing the Los Angeles College/Abbotsford Inn (1888) on the SW corner
of 8th and Hope:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psfcgbay8f.jpg
00075341 @ LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075341.jpg

Here is the 1906 Sanborn Map for Flower Street between 8th and 9th:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psvpcherdf.jpg
LAPL

We're looking north on Flower from just south of 9th Street at members of the Los Angeles Bicycle Club. The 1st English
Lutheran Church is in the distance, just to the right of center. This photo has a date of c. 1887, but that is clearly too early.
The building at far left, on the NW corner of 9th and Flower, is on the Sanborn Map in 1906 but not 1894, and we can't
see 810-12 S. Flower here, so the photo can't be later than 1902. Perhaps 1897 would be a good approximate date. Please
note the house above the head of the rider at far left, because you will see it in the next two photos:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psjvnsdmkj.jpg
CHS-8614 @ USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...coll65/id/8981

The date of this photo is uncertain; either 1897 or 1902. In any case, we see the 1st English Lutheran Church at far right.
If you look at the horse closest to the camera, above its back is the house that was above the head of the rider on the
left in the previous photo. At the extreme left edge of this photo, I think you can see just a bit of 851-57 Flower, on the
NW corner of 9th Street. Please note the home above the two horses' heads, because you will see it in the next photo:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pskfr6gxp3.jpg
CHS-997 @ USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...oll65/id/10496

This photo, which I've enlarged a bit, has no date. Behind the float are the homes above the bike rider and horses in the last
two photos. The building at right with the flat roof is apparently 831 S. Flower, with the unusual footprint on the Sanborn Map:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psqpcynbcj.jpg
UCLA -- http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla.../laviews%3A353

odinthor Mar 30, 2016 3:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7387930)
It is perplexing! Here's what I've got:

So here we have 417 and 425 N Hill, about 1901—
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1571/...dfa3946d_z.jpgdenver

and we skip ahead to about 1904 and between them has been added 419/423 N Hill:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1508/...c66dbd52_b.jpgusc

But what's maddening is that the structure in your image should look like 425, instead of foursquare with a widow's walk! But then, if you look at the Sanborn from 1906, the outline of the structure in 1906 looks like the structure in your picture, and not like the building there in 1901/1904...

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1602/...aa53ce84_b.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/j9wddF.jpg

...which would mean that the apartment house from your image would have had to have been constructed before the 1906 Sanborn but after the ca. 1904 image above. And voilà! The permit from September 1905 for a three-story, 36-room apartment house at 425, just south of the tower. I think we got our man!

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1719/...819ff1a0_c.jpg

Now all we need is a post-'06 picture of that block of N Hill to clinch it...

***Many and warmest thanks to all for your splendid research!


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