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UrbanImpact Aug 9, 2022 12:39 PM

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k1052 Aug 9, 2022 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9697311)
^ a crosstown train is very badly needed on one two five. its just a question of how far west would they take it.

In a better world all the way to Bergen County.

mrnyc Aug 9, 2022 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 9697833)
In a better world all the way to Bergen County.

haha yeah.

why stop there?

lets get the 7 and the L trains over to nj too.

someday?

:shrug:

Busy Bee Aug 9, 2022 5:24 PM

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 9697833)
In a better world all the way to Bergen County.

How are you inside my brain? :D

Good to know there are other geniuses out there...:haha:

TowerDude Aug 9, 2022 8:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9697865)
haha yeah.

why stop there?

lets get the 7 and the L trains over to nj too.

someday?

:shrug:

No, the 7 and L Trains need to meet up at Penn Station ... get a PATH train to link to Penn Station too for any cross Hudson rail.

ardecila Aug 10, 2022 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 9697833)
In a better world all the way to Bergen County.

The transfer to the 1 would be quite a long journey - about 140' vertically between the two platforms, if the new subway (the Q?) is sloping down to go under the Hudson.

k1052 Aug 10, 2022 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9698595)
The transfer to the 1 would be quite a long journey - about 140' vertically between the two platforms, if the new subway (the Q?) is sloping down to go under the Hudson.

Not that much farther than 34-HY on the 7 and well short of the record holder at 191st St. Certainly would be nice if NYCT could actually keep their mechanical vertical circulation in operation however.

mrnyc Aug 10, 2022 2:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TowerDude (Post 9698128)
No, the 7 and L Trains need to meet up at Penn Station ... get a PATH train to link to Penn Station too for any cross Hudson rail.

no? why not do both of those subways over to nj too -- and a path?

for now i would settle for bringing the 7 train down to meet the L at w14th street. that would get us connected loop services and new stations at w23rd st/11av and w14st at 10av or 9av. bloomberg set us up for that because the hudson yards 7 train extension launch box is already close by down at 11av/w25st, so it would only take money. :tup:

k1052 Aug 10, 2022 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9698770)
no? why not do both of those subways over to nj too -- and a path?

for now i would settle for bringing the 7 train down to meet the L at w14th street. that would get us connected loop services and new stations at w23rd st/11av and w14st at 10av or 9av. bloomberg set us up for that because the hudson yards 7 train extension launch box is already close by down at 11av/w25st, so it would only take money. :tup:

Conflicting divisions so you'd still end up with a transfer. It would be a lot of money to spend when people can already transfer to a lot of lines along 14th today. Send the L and 7 into Hudson county and start sopping up PABT bus riders and provide more service to the one part of the metro that seems able to actually add housing units in helpful amounts.

mrnyc Aug 10, 2022 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 9698810)
Conflicting divisions so you'd still end up with a transfer. It would be a lot of money to spend when people can already transfer to a lot of lines along 14th today. Send the L and 7 into Hudson county and start sopping up PABT bus riders and provide more service to the one part of the metro that seems able to actually add housing units in helpful amounts.

yes of course it would be at transfer at w14st, and a lot of money to do.

its just a shame to waste doing it as the 7 launch box is so close.

but -- it could still be done by sending the 7 to nj and looping it back around to w14st, which would serve more new nj apt dwellers.

bazinga. :tup:

jmecklenborg Aug 10, 2022 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioGuy (Post 9695761)
Admittedly I don't keep up with this thread but happened to see this recent article mentioning the 2nd Ave subway extension and the possibility of a crosstown extension under 125th.

New Harlem Subway Line Could Run Along 125th Street, MTA Suggests

It seems to me that some of this chatter about turning northward somewhere in Harlem is about finding a way for the Q trains to share an existing yard with the 8th Ave. trains, or at least to avoid building tail tracks under the Hudson River.

mrnyc Aug 11, 2022 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jmecklenborg (Post 9699335)
It seems to me that some of this chatter about turning northward somewhere in Harlem is about finding a way for the Q trains to share an existing yard with the 8th Ave. trains, or at least to avoid building tail tracks under the Hudson River.


unfortunate reality for this obviously very good crosstown harlem train extension idea is:

'the MTA mentioned the 125th Street extension as one of two dozen projects that officials will evaluate as they consider how to upgrade the city's transit system over the next 20 years.

The two dozen proposals will be studied until October 2023, at which point the MTA can pick a few to receive funding starting in 2025.

The chosen projects would then be built anytime between 2025 and 2044.'


so, would it make the first cut? or at all here? :shrug:

jmecklenborg Aug 11, 2022 4:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9700010)
unfortunate reality for this obvious crosstown idea is 'the MTA mentioned the 125th Street extension as one of two dozen projects that officials will evaluate as they consider how to upgrade the city's transit system over the next 20 years.

The two dozen proposals will be studied until October 2023, at which point the MTA can pick a few to receive funding starting in 2025. The chosen projects would then be built anytime between 2025 and 2044.'

would it make the first cut? or at all here? :shrug:

Well I think getting over to the 2/3 and A/C would be extremely useful. The 1 is a local and should be much less of a priority, especially since anyone living along the 1 between 103rd and 165th who wants to go to the eastern half of 125th can simply walk over and board the Eight Ave. line.

Hell, anyone who lives on the 1 from 96th on down gets a magic carpet ride to Lennox Ave. in the middle of Harlem as-is.

TowerDude Aug 12, 2022 5:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9698770)
no? why not do both of those subways over to nj too -- and a path?

for now i would settle for bringing the 7 train down to meet the L at w14th street. that would get us connected loop services and new stations at w23rd st/11av and w14st at 10av or 9av. bloomberg set us up for that because the hudson yards 7 train extension launch box is already close by down at 11av/w25st, so it would only take money. :tup:

With these new developments at Penn Station taking place I really think the complex would need another connection to the Subway systems too, and I think the perfect way to do that would be to bring the 7 and L trains to the "Penn Station South" part of the plan. Have one on top of the other perhaps underground and have direct transfers between the lines.

The stations would be underneath 30th Street between 7th and 8th Avenues with direct access to the Penn Station South concourses, The 7 train would just continue on from the current 34th Street station to curve east to the new station, while the L train would continue west along 14th Street to 10th Avenue where it would start a gradual curve north, with a Chelsea Market Stop that could perhaps have its entrance integrated into the Chelsea Market building itself. The L Train would continue paralleling 11th Avenue to where it splits into 12th Avenue and then have a Chelsea Waterfront Station on 11th Avenue between 22nd and 24th Streets ... then it would continue north under 11th Avenue till it curves onto 30th Street to join the 7 train/Penn Station South complex. One other station around 27th Street could also be done on the 11th Avenue part of the L Train as well.

A new Path spur from the 33rd Street station could curve over to meet the 7 and L Train Penn Station South Complex on 30th Street and go across the Hudson to NJ from there too.

mrnyc Aug 12, 2022 2:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TowerDude (Post 9700770)
With these new developments at Penn Station taking place I really think the complex would need another connection to the Subway systems too, and I think the perfect way to do that would be to bring the 7 and L trains to the "Penn Station South" part of the plan. Have one on top of the other perhaps underground and have direct transfers between the lines.

The stations would be underneath 30th Street between 7th and 8th Avenues with direct access to the Penn Station South concourses, The 7 train would just continue on from the current 34th Street station to curve east to the new station, while the L train would continue west along 14th Street to 10th Avenue where it would start a gradual curve north, with a Chelsea Market Stop that could perhaps have its entrance integrated into the Chelsea Market building itself. The L Train would continue paralleling 11th Avenue to where it splits into 12th Avenue and then have a Chelsea Waterfront Station on 11th Avenue between 22nd and 24th Streets ... then it would continue north under 11th Avenue till it curves onto 30th Street to join the 7 train/Penn Station South complex. One other station around 27th Street could also be done on the 11th Avenue part of the L Train as well.

A new Path spur from the 33rd Street station could curve over to meet the 7 and L Train Penn Station South Complex on 30th Street and go across the Hudson to NJ from there too.


there you go. as someone who lived on 8av/w14st for 25yrs, i thought about exactly that all the time, especially after the 7 train was extended to hudson yards. it may not be worth the effort, but as i said with the 7 launch box so close at 11av/w25st its just too hard to not think about it.

that said, i think another 7 train extension west to nj and looping around over there for a few stations and then coming back to w14st to meet up with the L train would be an also expensive, but cool and doable plan and with probably more ridership. also it would get nj to help pay for some of it. you wouldn't have to transfer at hudson yards as you would at w14st for the L, but so what.

:shrug::cheers:

mrnyc Aug 12, 2022 2:58 PM

and speaking of the hudson yards 7 train extension -- they are pressing for that unbuilt 2nd station over there:



Manhattan pols revive push for 10th Avenue station on No. 7 train in Hell’s Kitchen

By Kevin Duggan
Posted on August 10, 2022


Manhattan politicians called on the MTA to build the long-promised 10th Avenue station on the subway’s No. 7 train in Hell’s Kitchen Tuesday.

A stop at 10th Avenue and 41st Street was originally supposed open on the Flushing Line as part of two new stations along its westward extension to the Hudson Yards campus.
But Metropolitan Transportation Authority officials and the city dropped the proposed station 14 years ago and ended up just building one at 34th Street and 11th Avenue.

“That was a huge, huge mistake and a huge missed opportunity,” said local Council Member Erik Bottcher at an Aug. 10 press conference.
“A lot of people live even further west than we are now. It is a very very long walk to the subway.”


more:
https://www.amny.com/transit/10th-av...hells-kitchen/


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City Council Member Erik Bottcher speaks during the rally in Hell’s Kitchen on Aug. 9, 2022 calling for the opening of a new 7 train station serving the community. Among the other officials on hand were Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine, state Senator Brad Hoylman, Congress Member Jerry Nadler and Assembly Member Dick Gottfried.
Photo by John McCarten/New York City Council

Busy Bee Aug 12, 2022 3:54 PM

^That is great news... and the time to do it is NOW during the construction of that new tower on the corner so they can coordinate a foundation that integrates station egress. Make it happen captain...

TowerDude Aug 12, 2022 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9700948)
there you go. as someone who lived on 8av/w14st for 25yrs, i thought about exactly that all the time, especially after the 7 train was extended to hudson yards. it may not be worth the effort, but as i said with the 7 launch box so close at 11av/w25st its just too hard to not think about it.

that said, i think another 7 train extension west to nj and looping around over there for a few stations and then coming back to w14st to meet up with the L train would be an also expensive, but cool and doable plan and with probably more ridership. also it would get nj to help pay for some of it. you wouldn't have to transfer at hudson yards as you would at w14st for the L, but so what.

:shrug::cheers:

The two Chelsea L stations would be critical, and the potential other two would be great additions to Midtown.

manchester united Aug 13, 2022 3:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TowerDude (Post 9698128)
No, the 7 and L Trains need to meet up at Penn Station ... get a PATH train to link to Penn Station too for any cross Hudson rail.

100% agree!

k1052 Aug 13, 2022 3:43 PM

Why are people suggesting PATH be extended from 33rd (which physically cannot be done) to connect to Penn when we could just wait a few years for Penn 15 to be complete and people can easily walk the connection once again?


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