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Some other possibilities I’m entertaining: 1) Related is engaged in a misinformation campaign to beat expectations 2) Someone misheard “over 1000 ft” for “under” 3) Units were never mentioned. Related is actually building something under 1000 *meters* 4) Related is planning to eventually beat Trump, doesn’t want to provoke his ire too soon 5) Related is going to build the towers in stages, smaller first. So right now they’re getting approval for the bare minimum they’d like, then they’ll come back later when it’s time for the taller tower 6) They were planning a height that would beat the new Tribune. To avoid a height war, they’re lying about their plans for now |
I'm hoping for height and good design so call me greedy.
Here's a massing at 1500 and 800 feet. It makes a nice cluster with Vista Tribune 2 and Bennett from the east and west. https://images2.imgbox.com/e1/4d/GELcG0VZ_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/60/75/CJ0FQD0U_o.jpg |
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^ Chicago has long aspired to follow Daniel Burnham’s statement to “Make no little plans.” I would hope a structure in one of the city’s most prominent locations also aspires to this motto (or at least its developers/architects).
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Bummed. I am flying into Chicago for work Tuesday the 15th, and staying at the Sheraton, but I don't think I'll get there in time for the meeting. Here's hoping for news of something exciting when the plane lands.
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Hoping for a decent design and mixed-use: Hotel, restaurants, observation deck, etc.
Spire was pretty but bored me as a pure condo play. |
Please at least not be a let down design wise.
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If Related Midwest will have courage, the best solution for the site could be a 975 ft tower near a 1,755 ft tower like Lakhta Business Centre. ;)
http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/..._b240611_5.jpg Image from www.e-architect.co.uk |
I usually agree with Design>Height. But this site needs for both.
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Well this is ironic (albeit a little OT). Calatrava is getting a riverfront spiral after all... :haha:
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Calatrava is in town only a week before the big Spire site announcement. Wouldn't it be something if he has assisted with this new design. I hope he came for more than just a sculpture:)
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I hear whispers that this will be 3000 ft tall and will have a statue of Chance the Rapper on top
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Here's a preliminary design. I suspect a few folks will be disappointed as they are using precast http://www.nzedge.com/wp-content/upl...r_NZEDGe01.jpg |
can we get spires on the helmets please
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^ That's some bold architecture. Boldness that is only eclipsed by the crisp, full bodied flavor of an Old Style at an afternoon game at Wrigley.
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chicago doesn't have a fully krausened skyscraper yet, so this new leak is very promising.
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I love the casual title change a mod made "or not" hahaha
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^Maybe he's referring to that Hadid dude's extraordinary concept. I still cannot even with that one... so amazing.
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either way, neither had anything to do with related midwest, the actual owner of the site. they were just fantasies from other parties. related midwest has not released any public info on what they intend to build on the site, so hormQT's claim of "bait and switch" is entirely without merit as things currently stand. |
Strictly speaking, sure, but poetically I think the bait n switch is an apt metaphor and has a good amount of merit here. We've seen all these amazing concepts and unless Related has undergone some sort of awakening in the mountains of Tibet... I would name this poem "Can't we do better?"
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this is a bit of a referendum for related on chicago
I know what I'm expecting |
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Mine won't be a popular sentiment here but.....
If latest rumors are true and the taller of the two towers fail to reach over 1,000ft there will be some disappointment for sure. Should there be? After thinking about the developments in recent weeks I view this as an almost unintentional fair trade with the Tribune Tower plans. Did anyone think it was likely we would get well over 1,000ft for the new TT tower? I sure didn't. Would most have been happy with a 700-999ft. at the Tribune site that we may get at the Spire site? I think most would have said yes. The switch in expectations is perhaps just what we'll get if receive if rumours are true and both developments play out. And in hindsight, we shouldn't be surprised if it does play that way. If I were ready to plop down +1million on a condo at either I would choose the Tribune site all day and night. Unless you REALLY REALLY love unobstructed lake views (of which the top 1/3 of TT will give you essentially as well) than what advantage does the Spire site offer over the TT site? The TT sits right on Michigan Ave and RN eateries. It sits closer to the Loop and transit options if you aren't retired and still working. The Spire site is on a bit of a relative island unless you are a running/biking enthusiast. And that will maybe be a big advantage when the lakefront pedestrian bridge opens in the year 2060. All in all, I think an unexpected but fair trade for us skyscraper geeks with the two sites. I just hope to see both projects get off the ground provided Related comes through with a good design for the Spire site. |
^ Agreed that the Spire really skewed our expectations for what this site could handle, and made it easier to overlook more valuable sites like the Tribune lots. It really shows that the true “center” of the city where values are highest is still at the mouth of the river—the *original* mouth, that is, at the Michigan Avenue bridge where DuSable first settled.
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I think for a lot of us this isn't about height really, it's about expecting better design from a notoriously cheap developer. If Related proposes a really good 1000 footer, I'll be thrilled.
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if you were seriously expecting something 2,000' on this site, then that's on you. i think most of us who follow this stuff fairly closely knew that related was never gonna throw up a mega-tall on this land. whatever related midwest ends up proposing here (and i would hazard an educated guess that it will be far shorter than 2,000') won't represent a shortening or a VE or anything like that because related midwest has absolutely nothing to do with kelleher's wild fantasy tower. |
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You can walk to almost nothing in less than 5 minutes from this site and even the vehicular access is terrible, you have to get on LSD to go anywhere, assuming Water Street won't be opened up like it wasn't in the Spire plan. Lake views are boring anyway, I'd rather have city views any day. I hope that something good looking ends up here, because it is a prominent site in terms of tourist eyes. However, I think there are plenty of other sites much more deserving of intense mega-super tall development than this one. |
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My expectation for Related's proposal for the Spire site... Their press release will read as follows...
"We will fill in with concrete the existing hole that was left from the unfinished Spire building. Building amenities include concrete and sweeping ground-floor views." |
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it's fine if you're disappointed that there won't be a mega-tall going on the 400 N LSD site, but there's no bait and switch going on here. related owns the site and has shown us nothing. if related had released renderings for a well-deisgned 1,800' monster tower with high quality finishes and then ended up building an 800' beige-painted concrete box, then we could talk about bait and switch. |
I really hope Related doesn't drop the ball here. This site, along with the twinned LSE site immediately to the south, will allow Chicago to create a framed entryway to the river from the lake, and will define the view of the city from the lake (and therefor, almost every single postcard, movie or tv shot of the city) and really be one of the core mental images of Chicago that non Chicagoans will have of our city. While I have plenty of faith that Magellan will pull it off (they've learned to keep "Low-End-berg" from doing anything design-wise and turning it into a crap Grand Plaza clone), I am hesitant to say the same about Related. I can only hope that, like others said, they realize that their reputation is really at stake here, and will try to deliver a fantastic design that will be the signature work for their portfolio.
Here's to hoping. *fingers crossed* |
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Enjoy the long weekend. |
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