There IS a risk in take-away anything (including the toilet paper you may still be able to order online in the UK but which is out of stock at all US sites). The person who packed the goodies in the box could be infected. But at the bar, the bar itself is more likely to have a surface coating of virus particles and they will be on your hands if you touched it. This is a much greater risk than the contents of a take-away container.

why? don't be such a clueless nitwit. you can be a carrier for a couple weeks and not know. this is common knowledge to everyone else by now. :rolleyes:

the problem is there isn't nearly enough testing up and running as of yet.

well of course luckily for us all no one here believes anything you profess, but if that is true you are an imbecile. :koko:

and btw thats false about the food. food is not in as much danger of contamination.

No, it isn’t.

Pretty sure the traffic has actually got worse here in Sydney - the main street near my house was jammed since 6:30 this morning, but then i got on a train and it was nearly empty, so that explains it I suppose.

My gym has closed. This is fucked.

Gyms are so unnecessary anyway. Just do burpees at home, and you're good.

The entire inner bay area(6.7M people) is in a mandatory "shelter in place" now until Apr 7th

Only essential services will be open.

Buy a Peleton. That's what they said to do on CNBC where all the other financier types hang.

The Governor of Pennsylvania pulled the plug on pretty much everything and Philadelphia's mayor closed down all non-essential businesses until March 27th.

My job at Drexel University is now in question as all on-campus residents must vacate by next week and reslife is my department.

We'll see what's up.

Phil-o-delphia though, is the city of brudderly love. It's gonna figure things out.

Could someone explain NJ has a curfew?

All I can think about is the fact that people will be FORCED to shop before 8pm. People like me like to shop late to avoid normal crowds.This law doesn't allow people to spread out their shopping. Sounds absolutely idiotic and reactionary. Am I missing something?

The NJ curfew isn't mandatory, it's a suggestion by the governor.

Well, day one of me and my wife both WFH while tending to our two young children who are also home from their now closed preschool is in the books.

If this shit really does go til August, I ain't gonna get shit done.

"Working a full time job" and "taking care of a 4 and 5 year old all day long" DO. NOT. MIX.

These elected officials aren't destroying their economies for shits and giggles.

Exactly ^.

Guys, seriously wondering...if the majority of the country ends up being quarantined and cannot go to work for months...like, how the hell will people truly be able to afford all of their bills? No work, no pay. The majority of Americans cannot cover a $400 emergency. Most companies will not be generous and just continue our pay...they will eventually go broke as well.

America is no Sweden or Denmark historically, but do you think there will be a breaking point where the government will allow mortgages and rents to be waived? Otherwise I truly do see foresee riots, violence, and total pandemonium ensuing.

Testing is still no widely available. They keep on saying it will be but not yet.

SF has done the most for sure. LA is right behind and i suspect we will go into full lock down by tomorrow or wed at the latest

I most definitely not in a panic. At all. Im just sick and tired of people dismissing this situation and parroting bs they have been told by uneducated people, ie our president

And there you have it.

The following weeks will probably be marked by continuous historic jumps and crashes. The market is irrational and trying to predict it now is a fools game, at least until the virus is somewhat under control. Time in > timing

They are going to have to. There has to be a point where its no longer about the money (for the sake of P/L statements), but the people. Money... is a false construct... its all bs when you get deep down into it.

But what is real are people. People are real. It can be waived. Otherwise, like you insinuated, it will result in chaos. The type of chaos we see in other places around the world (in the past, when the general population is in dire situations).

But right now, let's see how things turn out. Day-by-day, new developments.

Let's just hope the right steps are taken, and the right countermeasures to mitigate the damage on the American people, and not just some investors on Wall Street who will be able to eat, whereas many Americans can't afford an emergency.

The government might want to consider universal income should things go sour (just let's assume). If bailouts for companies are occurring or planned, I'm sure they could muster a bailout for the guys and gals of America.

Now all of Los Angeles County has announced the closure of dine-in restaurants, bars, nightclubs, and other entertainment venues.

From Eater Los Angeles:

LA County, the Nation’s Most Populous, Orders Closure of Restaurants and Bars

by Matthew Kang@mattatouille Mar 16, 2020, 1:34pm PDT

Today the nation’s most populated county, Los Angeles County, announced a sweeping closure of dine-in restaurants, bars, nightclubs, and other entertainment venues. (As in much of the country under similar orders, takeout and delivery are still allowed.) This order matches the one made by the City of Los Angeles, which announced closures for hospitality establishments late on March 15 in an effort to reduce interaction and curb the spread of the novel coronavirus.

This means cities like Long Beach, West Hollywood, Culver City, Glendale, and Santa Monica, which are essentially surrounded by Los Angeles city limits and often have lesser known boundaries, would have to follow the larger county government directive. Whether a restaurant or bar is in Cerritos or Westlake Village, El Segundo or Santa Clarita — all establishments will have to cease dine-in services.

LA County, which has over 10 million residents in 88 incorporated cities and unincorporated areas outside of the City of Los Angeles, issued a directive that the entire county have one standard. Director of Public Health Barbara Ferrer said in a live broadcast that “there may be people infected everywhere in the county,” and to “minimize non-essential activities” as much as possible. As of March 16, there were 94 cases of COVID-19 in the county.

Previously, California Governor Gavin Newsom directed bars, wineries, and breweries to close across the state, and restaurants to reduce seating capacity by 50 percent and follow social distancing guidelines. The county guidelines will now exceed the state’s.

LA County’s closure mandate comes just after six San Francisco Bay Area counties, with populations totaling 6.7 million, ordered their residents to “shelter in place,” meaning people would be required to stay home except for “essential needs.”

“We are doing everything we can to avoid having to order entire communities to isolate,” LA County’s Ferrer said, but “nothing is off the table for anybody, anywhere in the United States at this point.”

New York City mayor Bill de Blasio announced that all bars and restaurants are required to shut down by March 17 at 9 a.m., with the exceptions for takeout and delivery. More than a half dozen states, including Illinois, Ohio, and Massachusetts have issued a lockdown of non-essential businesses over the last two days.

Source: https://la.eater.com/2020/3/16/21181...es-coronavirus

Let's just say that even if this zombie like script were to stop or dwindle next week, enough damage will have occurred to change the big picture for the long haul. This is like a precursory event to Greta Thunberg's prophetic calling.

A real wake up call to reexamine our globalized economy, industrial processes, transportationnof goods, wastefulness, overcapitalized corporations, undercapitalized social measures, etc...

Quite an assumption what I had to say about how things will pan is not at all what the president has been saying.

The underlying factors of the economy are still very strong this is a singular event that will end once people know the path of the virus. Right now it’s just the Uknowns.

Nobody knows how demand will Be suppressed or how long these quarantines will be in effect. But once a clearer picture of the nest few months reveals itself you’ll see some rationality return to the markets and business activity.

Well I think it’s quite obvious that this entire situation will lends itself to the already popular stances of anti-Globalism and nativism across the western world.

These were already growing and powerful movements and this will only encourage more of it. For both eminently practical reasons companies will be reconsidering having so much supply chain tied up in China and your less savory opinions about other cultures and our openness to the world will also be stirred by this.

This will happen everywhere.

Mortgages waived? San Francisco has more or less done it.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...tions/2254382/

You are indeed right we are not Sweden or Denmark. We have a $15/hr minimum wage in SF and I think I recall the whole state soon will.

https://www.investopedia.com/article...imum-wages.asp

But for the unemployed--getting no wage during the coronavirus epidemic--there is unemployment insurance which is being expedited and the standard benefits augmented by the second stimulus bill which passed the House (I'm not sure of the details right now), and I am pretty certain there will be additional benefits in a third stimulus bill everyone expects Congress to pass.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/gret...190535259.html

This child obviously has significant mental health issues and it seems her self-therapy is to preach to the world about an issue that obsesses her.

Her parents are sickening

I can run for cardio. No upper body workout.

Two rapid PCR test kits have just been approved, one from Roche and one from Thermo Fisher. FDA took less than 24 hours to approve in both instances, but they needed to be developed first. Expect those to be cranked out from now.

Oh, the curfew isn't law, good.

I think this whole thing has taught us all some valuable lessons:

1. We sure do rely on others.
2. Once this is all over we are going to be beyond grateful to be able to just go out to dinner, its gonna be nice for however long that feeling lasts.
3. Our economy is very fragile.
4. People are irrational and if something very bad every did happen, we would be screwed.
5. "Prepping" isn't insane. I always have about a months worth of TP, thank God.
6. In order to do cool shit, you need a lot of people. So next time I am somewhere crowded, I'll *try* to be happy about it.

And right now, despite the fact that so many of us on here have high-powered, high-paying jobs, healthcare workers aside, we are now relying on people coming to work at grocery stores, gas stations, truck depots, the power plant, the water plant, and the sewage treatment plant. In regards to the supermarket, at least around here, most of those people are high school kids who are probably scared shitless, and who are there doing three or four times more business a day than they were ever used to before.

Which is to say, be nice. People who are very low on the totem pole indeed are the people who are keeping America limping along right now. Also, take a moment to consider the other essential work going on right now... and that the wispy little blond in the pink scrubs with kittens on them has bigger balls than you do when she clocks in for her shift at the hospital these days.

i dk about hs kids, but it seems a good percentage of 20-30 y.o.'s are quite the opposite. its like they think they are immune or something and don't seem to get it or care that they are spreading the disease.

of course there are some of the nutty old fox news fanatics that are the same.

:shrug:

those groups aside, everybody else seems to be taking it seriously and doing the right things tho, so that is heartening.

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It’s more like the idiot 60- and 70-somethings that I still see out walking around.

I’m not really worried about this coronavirus, and nor is the 20-something I just bought a coffee from or the 30-something friend I am meeting later. I will keep my distance from older people.

Yes, there are certainly cracks in the veneer, but she nevertheless points to the crassness of our wasteful human world. She maybe obsessing over our planetary woes, but, hey, there is a certain orange tufted leader out there whose main obsession centers around his person, his image.

The governor of North Carolina will issue an executive order this afternoon, to take effect at 5PM today, closing all bars and restaurants in the state to dine-in customers. They will still be able to do takeout and delivery service.

The chairs in my DSS's waiting room have all been spaced out at least six feet apart, with signs saying not to move them.

Possibly, but unlikely. This will go on for a bare minimum of 2 months, most likely closer to 6. We are already, officially in a recession. By the time we slowly start to get to normal, many of our restaurants, retail spaces, Co working offices, etc will be bankrupt /out of business.

Its gonna be a slow recovery

I got a text yesterday saying that my haircut appointment for this coming Saturday was canceled. I totally understand the concern. I guess my barber felt bad about it and called me later in the evening. I told him it was totally OK. The funny thing is, over the weekend, I thought of canceling it anyway.

The US is not officially in recession but I would be shocked if we arent by 3rd quarter.

A recession is officially 2 consecutive quarters of - growth.

Of course global activity is about to approach as close to 0 as its gotten in the modern era so how much the quarter 2 GDP is going to shrink ...I do not know


But why are you acting like nothing will be done to help small businesses. Companies for PR reasons are suspending payments and due dates left and right, utilities are not going to shut down service for lack of payment, loan interest is being waved. Today Congress is debating tax rebates, business loans and direct cash payouts to the public.

Dozens of companies have pledged to pay employees through the shut downs and those that dont have access to unemployment insurance.

I understand your concern but its not like bankruptcy court is open, its not like the mortgage department is fully efficient at the moment. There arent mobs of men running around trying to foreclose on you at the first missed payment ushered by post-apocalyptic fat cats on Mad-Max mobiles.

Its not going to be as dire as you seem to imagine.

Everyone is on very thin margins.. These steps will help but many will be screwed regardless. You're being way too optimistic and im saying this as an optimist myself. This is going to go on for months

Im not an optimist. I have been waiting for a post apocalypse hellscape where I can ride out heavily armed in ill fitting BDSM gear and football pads since I was a child.

This virus NOT ending the world is the most disappointing thing that has ever happened to me.

I WANT it to end the world. But unfortunately that just isn't happening. :(

Boston shutting down all construction.
https://www.constructiondive.com/new...uction/574294/

Flagstaff, AZ is shuttering down everything beginning at 8pm tonight MST to try and get ahead of this. No word yet on what the State of Arizona will decide.

Presidential preference primary is today and as far as I know, polls are still open. If this doesn't result in a mandate for statewide (hell, even better if it becomes nationwide...) vote by mail, I don't know what will be.

I work for the criminal court, they're telling us to work from home as much as possible and to minimize contact with our probationers. I'm expecting more actions to be taken by the courts to slow everything to a standstill in the upcoming days.

We're going to need a massive influx of cash (bailouts? stimulus?) when this is all over. We have a large state university but that's basically on lockdown. My county/city in particular is extremely tourism-dependent (we've got one of the biggest goddamn holes in the country in our backyard)

There are as of now still only 18 cases in the state.

I've had to reschedule all of my monthly contacts, with two sets of parents of two foster kids each saying they were okay with doing a contact like normal. One other set though... No, for very good reasons. What I'll literally have to do is drive into their yard and have the kid the come to the door and wave, and then we'll talk on the phone.

Yeah... tourist town here as well, and no one is touring. No one's going to be touring for a while either. Unsurprisingly though, our first confirmed case was from a tourist.

... that are known about.

That goes without saying.

There is enough voluntary closure going on to be effective at this point Flagstaff is simply hurting itself by going under lock down without a single case.

Whatever snowbowl should be empty despite getting three feet this last 10 days.

I think Ill go enjoy it.

Flagstaff is trying to minimize the spread of the disease because even though we have a level one trauma center, it only has about 15 ventilators and one or two isolation rooms. In a town of 70,000 that draws in people with medical needs within a 100 mile radius (including one of the largest Native American reservations in the country), that's concerning.

I don't have a field-carrying caseload right now, but our directive was to not go into our clients' houses for the time being and have them meet us at the front door. We're also discouraged from using portable breath tests and in-office urinalyses unless absolutely necessary. I wore gloves yesterday while doing an intake because I needed to collect a DNA saliva sample from a new client.

I think that companies in certain sectors, like airlines and hospitality are already definitely more acutely affected. Airlines are for the most part highly endebted, need cash flow to pay for salaries of a very large workforce and massive procurement, and new aircraft deliveries. There was news last friday that Bombardier's C series jets (now owned by Airbus) to Delta, are put on hold, because the company is running out of liquidities. Likewise, I heard on ABC news last night that Delta asked all employees who could consider early retirement to do so, in order to help the company stay afloat. In other words, some contracts will be broken and left to litigation later on.

I believe that developed states will help support certain corporate structures but must, of necessity support citizens first. There will be massive write-offs of the kind we are used to seeing, and further quantitivizing since that is the only thing that seems to help us clunker around until the next cycle.

86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says

By Jackie Salo March 17, 2020 | 10:15am

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of-...ed-study-says/


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