I care about them, their spending helps keep economies going AND they are a HUGE part of those city's tax base, so it's important to everyone.

But in human aspects, I care about poorer people with NO job and little chance of getting another one for the time being.

They'll be waiting for a long time... The capacity limits probably will not be relaxed without a vaccine or treatment.

I'm going to miss the quarantine lack-of-traffic once this is all over. Its been such a bliss driving when the roads are somewhat empty or not filled with mini-vans with baby on board stickers doing 10 in a 45 zone.

Low traffic in the NY area also makes the area hospitable for driving. Now that folks are back on the roads, with the easing of things, traffic is back up, but still quaint. Normally the Belt Parkway and BQE are madness or LI Expressway. Quarantine made those roads enjoyable.

Yeah right lol it's Arkansas, they are raising the limits to 66% like next week.

Dude, yes! I have been going on "Sunday drives" since all of this started. Being new to Chicago, it has been nice to able to drive around with no traffic and being able to drive a little slower(without someone on my ass) to take in the hoods.

They're all up in the Catskills this week. The Orthodox community mass-evacuates on Memorial and Labor Day weekends, even in a pandemic. Kosher supermarkets and restaurants in Brooklyn run deliveries up to the woods.

Thought you meant they were in Illinois. Yeah, we'll see how that experiment in the South goes. I don't think it will end well, but fingers crossed.

If that's true, you can probably kiss 90% of restaurants goodbye. Restaurants cannot operate for years at half-capacity. Most probably can't even operate for months. Weekend crowds keep most dine-in restaurants alive, and you need to max capacity at prime hours.

Oh my bad, I wasn't exact in my language, yeah in Arkansas. Illinois will probably increase the limit by 1% a month for the next two years lol

Yeah, I just hope the more rural nature of the South and the hot-humid weather helps them keep things at bay. Georgia has been a pretty solid place to look at thus far, INDEED fingers crossed.

Exactly...

My wife is in HR so I am pretty familiar with on-boarding process and how compensation packages are set up. Plus my own experiences. I also just said she gets generous bonuses but again, that's gravy. We don't budget that into our finances because it's never a sure thing such as coronaviruses and negative oil prices. Last year was a pretty good year, cash flow was great. 2020 is going to be shit. Perhaps I've been exposed to the oil and gas industry too long to be apprehensive about taking risks.

The fact that some people depend on these bonuses to sustain a certain (unsustainable) lifestyle is frankly, their problem. No one needs to live in 'prime' London or Manhattan unless they choose to.

That’s probably a good point, but it doesn’t change the fact that people are getting screwed financially, and if you want people to stay at home and socially distance this is a lousy way to win them over.

It invites restlessness, anger, and resentment. And eventually people just refuse to follow these orders.

Thankfully there are States going about this a more sensible way. However, it does seem that many States have Governors who don’t want to budge from their rigid guidelines, because they perhaps a) don’t really understand the social and economic pain they are causing and b) haven’t bothered to realize the fact that in America Government is really not supposed to have this much unchecked power over people’s lives.

So what then, I should just move to some suburb so that grandma feels safe going to the shops? Don’t think so.

These lockdowns are a farce.

1,188 deaths today in Brazil. 20,047 overall.

The way things going with moving daily average up to +300/+400 every week, I guess by the end of the week, Brazil will overcome the US, which seemed to have stabilized at 1,500 daily. :(

I think the lockdowns have outlived their usefulness as they are but they weren't a farce early on. Unless you know more than the world's top epidemiologists. Otherwise get Fauci and Chris Whitty on the horn and set them straight.

As for 'suburbia', you missed my point. It's called mitigating risk.

I’m aware that the Supreme Court has sadly failed our Constitution in this regard.

That feeble body has dropped the ball over and over (upholding rent control? Seriously?)

I still view it as unconstitutional. I’m glad Americans left and right are defying these stupid and unreasonable orders. We are adults, we get that there is a pandemic and many of us will play it safe, but being locked out of our livelihoods is no longer an option. We don’t need this goddamn police state-esque scenario.

Would it be unconstitutional if it was a truly lethal disease that killed something like 20% of healthy individuals? Would people violating stay at home orders be treasonous in such a situation? If so, what's the threshold for a constitutionally-supported lockdown?

I've always found interpretations of the constitution and the parallels with religious study interesting.

Speak for yourself.

Common sense suggests people should live where they can truly afford to live, not where they can "afford" to live predicated on a dubious "bonus".