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Diamonddave Dec 11, 2020 7:43 PM

Totally agree with you eleven The Jeffersons floor plans are very nice and also believe they'll do well.

biggus diggus Dec 11, 2020 8:51 PM

Sencorp is cash rich in Chile, but not in Phoenix. They see Edison and enHance as examples that condos don't work and they could never afford to play in the Portland Place, One Lexington business model which we know does work.

Whether they are right or wrong isn't my place to decide but I think you all know what my opinion is.

Yes, I'm still mad about that car wash, I know it's petty. I trusted them with my cars and liked the relationships I built over the years there. Now I have someone come to the house and they wash everything at once which is convenient but it's not the same. And it costs a lot more.

PHXFlyer11 Dec 11, 2020 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamonddave (Post 9131308)
Totally agree with you eleven The Jeffersons floor plans are very nice and also believe they'll do well.

Dave you don't have an updated link to you? If so would love it see it. But overall I think the last time they were marketing as high-end, which seems to be the right play.

PHXFlyer11 Dec 11, 2020 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by biggus diggus (Post 9131367)
Sencorp is cash rich in Chile, but not in Phoenix. They see Edison and enHance as examples that condos don't work and they could never afford to play in the Portland Place, One Lexington business model which we know does work.

Whether they are right or wrong isn't my place to decide but I think you all know what my opinion is.

Yes, I'm still mad about that car wash, I know it's petty. I trusted them with my cars and liked the relationships I built over the years there. Now I have someone come to the house and they wash everything at once which is convenient but it's not the same. And it costs a lot more.

Good call! I had totally forgotten about Portland Place! They seemed to do well, right?

biggus diggus Dec 11, 2020 9:24 PM

tremendously well. Not everyone has the cash.

Diamonddave Dec 11, 2020 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11 (Post 9131393)
Dave you don't have an updated link to you? If so would love it see it. But overall I think the last time they were marketing as high-end, which seems to be the right play.

To answer your question Eleven last month I believe Crested posted the developer's summital to the city I think it was the planning commission.

Diamonddave Dec 11, 2020 10:31 PM

Update on The Jefferson PPA, Crescent posted on the Barrister thread on October 6th of this year. It has all the floor plans.

thespiandave Dec 12, 2020 2:45 AM

Here’s a beautiful shot of downtown taken near Good Sam. Looking great!

https://i.imgur.com/5Mh2HMl_d.webp?m...idelity=medium

DesertRay Dec 12, 2020 3:23 AM

Quality + Management
 
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Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11 (Post 9131283)
I don't believe that condos downtown don't work. I think that condos that LOOK LIKE apartments don't work. For example, the townhome models seems to work very well in the core, but it's not completely realistic in most areas of downtown.

In addition, I think high-end condos works, ceiling to floor windows, high quality construction, nice finishes, etc. The problem is many of the condos built are not that, they are apartments trying to me marketed as condos. That's for example why The Edison did so poorly (look at the building BTW, it's crooked all over) it looks cheap. It looks like apartments.

On the other hand, I live in one lexington and you can't even find a place in here unless you want the penthouse for a cool $1.2M. This makes me think something like proposed Jefferson would do very well. But not much of a market anywhere cheaply done condos.

THIS!!! The condos that combine higher quality finishes and quality management in the downtown area sell quickly. You can tell which condos don't hit this well (look across from the Heard, and the Orpheum). It takes work to do this. EnHance had the misfortune of also being right in the homeless zone. This will likely change over the next 3-5 years as the Hance Park area fills in, but enHance was probably five years too early (and also just feels like it cuts corners on the finishes--fair or not).

locolife Dec 12, 2020 3:45 PM

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Originally Posted by thespiandave (Post 9131736)
Here’s a beautiful shot of downtown taken near Good Sam. Looking great!

https://imgur.com/gallery/1Keygts

Bummer, photo won't load.

combusean Dec 12, 2020 7:30 PM

You can't wrap the IMG tags around the photo webpage, you gotta click on it, right click to get the image address ending with .jpg or .png.

https://i.imgur.com/5Mh2HMl.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/5Mh2HMl.jpeg

combusean Dec 13, 2020 6:06 AM

My 2 cents on the condo discussion: Almost any one of these concrete towers going up or still built can be converted. Apartments are safer right now but when Condomania II strikes there's a good stock of buildings, unlike the last time. Adeline would probably be first on that list.

I don't get why Sencorp decided to test the waters with a cheaply built product with bad timing and decided to give up after looking at another even worse built product with bad timing like Edison.

But what gets me is why they bought and tore down Los Olivos when that's a garbage corner for a condo development and they already had the rest of the block surrounding enHance that makes for a better product.

ASUSunDevil Dec 13, 2020 5:13 PM

^ Never understood why the City won't landscape those giant medians :shrug:

Wexford looks big and X does a nice job filling that gap!

Tempe_Duck Dec 13, 2020 6:55 PM

I don't think this has been posted yet, but I just stumbled on this guys YouTube page. Nice video on the history of Phoenix freeways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK5t...cqLSksLWfDEPL1

azliam Dec 13, 2020 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9123588)
Just an update article of the Central Ave/I-17 bridge construction with a picture showing the progress:
https://www.constructionequipmentgui...-project/50589


Edit: Also found a good 22 minute of the history of Phoenix freeways. Long video to watch, but has some updated shots of Downtown occasionally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK5t0FaUYLc

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Originally Posted by PyroD (Post 9129127)
Super interesting video on the history of our local freeways.

https://youtu.be/DK5t0FaUYLc


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Originally Posted by Tempe_Duck (Post 9132667)
I don't think this has been posted yet, but I just stumbled on this guys YouTube page. Nice video on the history of Phoenix freeways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK5t...cqLSksLWfDEPL1

Thanks everyone for posting this!

Tempe_Duck Dec 13, 2020 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by azliam (Post 9132683)
Thanks everyone for posting this!

Oh awesome, didn't see those but i haven't been as active on here as I have in the past.

RichTempe Dec 13, 2020 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempe_Duck (Post 9132667)
I don't think this has been posted yet, but I just stumbled on this guys YouTube page. Nice video on the history of Phoenix freeways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK5t...cqLSksLWfDEPL1

I think it's the same link to the YouTube video that PyroD posted on the 'Metro Phoenix Transit/Transportation Developments' thread on the 9th.

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Originally Posted by PyroD (Post 9129127)
Super interesting video on the history of our local freeways.

https://youtu.be/DK5t0FaUYLc


azliam Dec 13, 2020 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempe_Duck (Post 9132707)
Oh awesome, didn't see those but i haven't been as active on here as I have in the past.

No worries. Now that we have more posters frequenting the Phoenix threads, it's easy to get posts lost in the shuffle.

combusean Dec 14, 2020 5:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ASUSunDevil (Post 9132622)
^ Never understood why the City won't landscape those giant medians :shrug:

Wexford looks big and X does a nice job filling that gap!

It's ADOT owned but yeah, it looks jarringly bad and a terrible introduction to downtown.

PHXFlyer11 Dec 14, 2020 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by combusean (Post 9132999)
It's ADOT owned but yeah, it looks jarringly bad and a terrible introduction to downtown.

I know why.... See: Roosevelt and 3rd St. island. ADOT doesn't want to deal with that, they have less resources than the city of Phoenix had to deal with the problem there.


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