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HossC Aug 31, 2015 4:19 PM

Finding this Julius Shulman location has been the hardest so far. The title of the photoset, "Job 1343: Bank of America (Los Angeles, Calif.),1952", gave no clues, and I struggled to find definitive/consistent addresses for any of the businesses shown. I'll start with the Bank of America picture.
NB. Unlike the previous pictures, these photos were quite washed-out, so I've tweaked the contrast to make them clearer.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

To the left of the bank was Gay's Drive-In Restaurant. I've just noticed the sign hidden behind the tree on the left - I wonder if there was a Gay's Motel as well.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

To the right was Fuller's Real Estate, a chiropractor, W J Brandt Paint & Color Specialists (stockists of Boysen Paints), and a Totten Dance Studio. I found references to a couple of Totten Dance Studios in the LA area, but not this one.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

By Googling the chiropractor's phone number (DIckens 3-8888), I found this advert in the April 24, 1952 edition of The Van Nuys News (the same year as the photo).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
www.newspapers.com

So, finally, Dr Mario Capretta's surgery gives us a street, but the real estate sign, which is visible in the photo, has the number 18319 on it. This is obviously three blocks away and on the other side of the street. The real estate office's address is confirmed by this advert from the December 29, 1947 edition of The Van Nuys News.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
www.newspapers.com

I think I've found the right block in this 1952 aerial image. The businesses in the photos were on the north side of Ventura Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

This 2012 image shows that none of the buildings on the north side of Ventura Boulevard in the 1952 image are still standing, although there is still a branch of Bank of America in roughly the same spot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

lemster2024 Aug 31, 2015 7:31 PM

[QUOTE=HossC;7147435]This Julius Shulman location took a bit of tracking down, but the clues were there. Here's the main Bank of America picture from "Job 1049: Bank of America (Los Angeles, Calif.),1951".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original


This was my dad's bank, back in the day. Our family grocery store wasn't too far away, near 54th & Vermont. He had an account at this branch for over 25 years and I remember accompanying him to close out the account when the branch closed. He knew all the tellers by name and they knew him as well. The bank had tall ceilings and polished granite floors. My dad would also park his car along 48th Street, where the car is pictured. As kids, me and my siblings would also walk down that very street on our way to the Vermont Square regional public library a few block further west (that building has also been discussed before). This is my old neighborhood! Here is an old check from his business account with the branch info.

http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/...psn5t9rwga.jpg

Wig-Wag Aug 31, 2015 9:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7148464)
:previous: As always, excellent sleuthing Hoss.

I hope we can turn up a photograph of Players Restaurant. -or better yet, Sternberger's Rite Spot.
__

Such as it is. . .

http://www.kcet.org/living/food/the-...-pasadena.html

Cheers,
Jack

CityBoyDoug Aug 31, 2015 10:36 PM

[QUOTE=lemster2024;7148778]
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7147435)
This Julius Shulman location took a bit of tracking down, but the clues were there. Here's the main Bank of America picture from "Job 1049: Bank of America (Los Angeles, Calif.),1951".


This was my dad's bank, back in the day. Our family grocery store wasn't too far away, near 54th & Vermont. He had an account at this branch for over 25 years and I remember accompanying him to close out the account when the branch closed. He knew all the tellers by name and they knew him as well. The bank had tall ceilings and polished granite floors. My dad would also park his car along 48th Street, where the car is pictured. As kids, me and my siblings would also walk down that very street on our way to the Vermont Square regional public library a few block further west (that building has also been discussed before). This is my old neighborhood! Here is an old check from his business account with the branch info.

http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/...psn5t9rwga.jpg

Lemster.....Wonderful memories...thanks so much for sharing with us. Can you post a photo of the market? Cheers.

Tourmaline Sep 1, 2015 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhammon (Post 5782399)
Maybe somebody has already mentioned this but it has always been my understanding that the highest pole highest to the left of the Lugo House in this now familiar photo of Calle de los Negros was one of the first lighting masts to be erected. One of three I think.

http://www.lafire.com/stations/Plaza...iggeralley.jpg http://www.lafire.com/stations/PlazaStation/Plaza.htm
I read somewhere that they employed carbon filaments or carbon "sticks" actually, that had to be replaced daily after each nights use.



A closer look at the arc light that probably promoted night time commerce and maybe curbed crime? :shrug:




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Chaotic parking as early as 1882. An early argument for mass transit and adequate parking?
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Signs of the times.

Not exactly sure what exactly J.Kennedy advertises, but it probably is not blacksmithing. The 1883-4 CD lists "J. B. Kennedy" as a farmer. Not clear if "J.B." is related to "J". It is equally unclear whether there would be any public listings for businesses of dubious repute - except in the negative. Three references to "gambling" in the 1886-7 CD specifically refer to "no gambling permitted." The Santa Fe Hotel at 339 Upper Main Street also advertises "No Liquors Sold" and "no Chinese employed."

In the same breath, morality and repute are ill defined. The 1875 CD has several listings for saloon keepers and bar tenders and the 1886-7 has 92 listings for saloons, vintners, liquor purveyors and saloon keepers, including a few familiar names: D. Mahlstedt, Maier and Zobelein, Martin and Rinkenbach, Massey and Clark, P.J. McMahon , John McManus, Peter Mueller & Co., James Noel, Gus C. Perret, and Fred Public. Listings for "Dancing" seem mostly restricted to lessons and teachers. Perhaps, not surprisingly, there are a handful of listings for opium and - for the cures. In the 1898CD, Dr. J.S. Brown advertises a two-day guaranteed cure for various drug addictions. Rest assured, "no payment until cured" and everything is "strictly confidential".

The CD publishers did not shy away from listings that included this Alley's name. It appears that the last published use of the name was in 1917.








Anyone try the buffet?


1882 - J Kennedy's.
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sopas ej Sep 1, 2015 1:34 AM

Were any of you folks aware of this? I sure wasn't.

This article is from earlier this year, but I only read it just this Saturday:

Before 1948, LA's Power Grid Was Incompatible With the Rest of the US

By Nathan Masters
2/04/15

Before 1948, there was something funny about the Southland's electricity. Plug in a clock from New York and it would lose 10 minutes every hour. Spin a record on a turntable from San Francisco and it would sound deep and drowsy. Some gadgets wouldn't work at all.

The problem? Southern California's power grid ran on a different frequency. Like the rest of the U.S., the region was wired for 120 volts, but its alternating current pulsed out of power plants and into electrical sockets at a slower rate—50 cycles per second (or 50hz) versus than the national 60hz standard.

That standard had not yet emerged in 1893, when the Southland became home to the nation's first three-phase, alternating current hydroelectric plant: the Mill Creek plant outside Redlands, California. As General Electric workers were installing the generator, it was left to the supervising engineer on site, Louis Bell, to determine the frequency. GE's rival, Westinghouse, was then designing equipment to operate at 60hz. Bell could have followed suit, but instead he chose the 50hz favored by his company's European affiliate, AEG.

With his decision, Bell unwittingly locked Southern California into a 50hz frequency. General Electric switched to 60hz just one year later, and as three-phase AC power came to more regions, the nation's power grid began to pulse in harmony. As an early adopter, however, Southern California was left behind. With so much equipment built for compatibility with Mill Creek's 50hz, switching to the emerging 60hz standard was simply cost-prohibitive. (Incidentally, the Mill Creek plant and its peculiar legacy was a product of the region's "Orange Empire," built to power an ice factory and keep the region's prized citrus crop fresh for market.)

For decades, then, the Southland was a sort of electrical enclave...

[...]

Click here to read the rest: Before 1948, LA's Power Grid Was Incompatible With the Rest of the US

I wonder if this was written about or portrayed in books or in film, about transplants moving to Los Angeles pre-1948 and the appliances they took with them not being compatible with the electric current. I don't recall any transplant old-timers ever telling me that.

Edison Plant, Eagle Rock, undated photo.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073944.jpg
LAPL

Tourmaline Sep 1, 2015 3:00 AM

So Cal Edison's decision to supply current at 50hz seems overly simplistic and myopic. It seems difficult, if not impossible, for SCE to have ignored Hoover Dam's 60hz current supply throughout WWII - with advertised plans to meet increasing future demands. Coupling this with the fact that the majority of US power grids favored 60hz, the handwriting was on the wall. :shrug:


The Water&Power site references the 50hz-60hz conundrum.

Quote:

Prior to 1936, the Southland was sort of an electrical enclave. Both Edison and Los Angeles Bureau of Power and Light generated and distributed their power at 50hz where most parts of the country were at 60hz. Some electrical appliances worked at both frequencies, but for frequency-sensitive products manufacturers created special 50hz models just for the Southern California market. And when newcomers moved from outside the region, they paid to have their old devices converted, or simply bought new ones that would work on the 50hz grid.

In 1936, in order to accept power from Hoover Dam's 60hz generators, the Los Angeles Bureau of Power and Light converted its entire system from 50 to 60hz. It would take Southern California Edison another 12 years (1948) before they would also convert to 60hz.*^ http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...bstations.html

MichaelRyerson Sep 1, 2015 2:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7149131)
A closer look at the arc light that probably promoted night time commerce and maybe curbed crime? :shrug:




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Chaotic parking as early as 1882. An early argument for mass transit and adequate parking?
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...EXT=DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...EXT=DMROTATE=0
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Signs of the times.

Not exactly sure what exactly J.Kennedy advertises, but it probably is not blacksmithing. The 1883-4 CD lists "J. B. Kennedy" as a farmer. Not clear if "J.B." is related to "J". It is equally unclear whether there would be any public listings for businesses of dubious repute - except in the negative. Three references to "gambling" in the 1886-7 CD specifically refer to "no gambling permitted." The Santa Fe Hotel at 339 Upper Main Street also advertises "No Liquors Sold" and "no Chinese employed."

In the same breath, morality and repute are ill defined. The 1875 CD has several listings for saloon keepers and bar tenders and the 1886-7 has 92 listings for saloons, vintners, liquor purveyors and saloon keepers, including a few familiar names: D. Mahlstedt, Maier and Zobelein, Martin and Rinkenbach, Massey and Clark, P.J. McMahon , John McManus, Peter Mueller & Co., James Noel, Gus C. Perret, and Fred Public. Listings for "Dancing" seem mostly restricted to lessons and teachers. Perhaps, not surprisingly, there are a handful of listings for opium and - for the cures. In the 1898CD, Dr. J.S. Brown advertises a two-day guaranteed cure for various drug addictions. Rest assured, "no payment until cured" and everything is "strictly confidential".

The CD publishers did not shy away from listings that included this Alley's name. It appears that the last published use of the name was in 1917.








Anyone try the buffet?


1882 - J Kennedy's.
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The initial streetlight installation consisted of seven 150 foot masts, erected by C.L. Howland in 1882. He was hurriedly getting the enterprise up and running against a due date under which his winning bid for establishing a municipal lighting company had been awarded. His power house was located at Alameda and Banning Streets and this light pole near the Lugo House does not appear on that initial installation, although there's some reason to believe the construction notes may be in error.

tovangar2 Sep 1, 2015 5:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7145297)

The reverse view gives a better look at the Pig N Whistle next door. The roof sign in the background on the right is from the Gates Hotel.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

I meant to thank you before for confirming that the Pig 'n Whistle was to the right of the Fine Arts Building entrance. I'd always been told/assumed (?) it was on the other side in the Cap 'n' Quill/Dublin's space.


P.S.

And one more image of the ship logo on a vinyl checkbook cover previously sold on eBay:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c...03400%2BAM.jpg

According to this, BofA's copyright on the ship logo has expired.

HossC Sep 1, 2015 6:22 PM

What a difference a day makes. This Julius Shulman photoset is properly exposed, and contains a sign with a street name and some extant buildings. "Job 1044: Bank of America (Los Angeles, Calif.),1951" shows the Bank of America at the intersection of Crenshaw Boulevard and W 54th Street. Next to the bank is The Alibi cocktail bar.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

There was an Associated Gas Station on the corner opposite the bank.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Here's a close-up of the building on the left. It's been a while since we've had a "Chop Suey" sign on NLA, and this one's a long way from Chinatown. It belonged to the Kee Mee Cafe at 5417 Crenshaw. Otabell Hats was at 5419, and the United Linoleum & Shade Co was at 5421. Sadly, this is not one of the buildings that survived. If I'm reading the building records correctly, the demolition permits were issued in 1994.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

I like the curved House of Modern Furniture on the right - the shape makes a nice change.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

Like some of my earlier Bank of America posts, a Thrifty wasn't far away.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

Here's the bank building today. I know it has a new roof, but I wonder if the green tiles are the original color.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
GSV

The whole row next to the old bank looks pretty intact, although the curved furniture has gone. The stores have also lost their outward-sloping windows.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
GSV

Across the street, the old Thrifty building is also still standing. The corner of the building on the left can also be seen in the 1951 image above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original
GSV

Tourmaline Sep 1, 2015 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7149815)


I can think of 101 reasons for their disappearance, but do any vestigial "safety islands" still exist? Could this be one? :previous:



Still looking for info concerning the white lettering on black field larger street signs and whether any are still in use. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=30666 There has been passing mention, but nothing definitive. http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...postcount=3626; http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=702

Beaudry Sep 1, 2015 8:05 PM

Seems fairly frequently now we're being gifted with yet another photographic treasure-trove!

250,000 Wayne Thom images are newly-acquired by USC and being digitized for popular consumption...these may be a bit modern for the Noirish taste (and many of the sites he shot are not Los Angeles) but as a record of the remarkable structures that replaced the vaster low-slung brick & mortar landscape of LA, they are some wonderful vintage photography.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...6470493986.jpg
Security Pacific, Atlantic Richfield
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...6503405858.jpg

1900 Ave of the Stars, Century City—
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...6814261282.jpg

Long Beach Civic Center—
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...6917174306.jpg

The Alhambra Sears—
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...7273286946.jpg

See more images and read all about it here
http://southland.gizmodo.com/trove-o...-be-1727255238

tovangar2 Sep 1, 2015 8:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7149981)

250,000 Wayne Thom images are newly-acquired by USC and being digitized for popular consumption...these may be a bit modern for the Noirish taste (and many of the sites he shot are not Los Angeles) but as a record of the remarkable structures that replaced the vaster low-slung brick & mortar landscape of LA, they are some wonderful vintage photography.

Thank you Beaudry.

I was just reading about James M. Wood, who is credited for modernizing LA (and also for proposing the Nickel as a solution for those displaced by downtown development). I did not know this before:

"As the woman who stood by [James M. Wood], the man credited by many as the reason we established a real downtown for Los Angeles, [wife] Janice indicated that it was Jim’s “unique ability to “forge agreements between developers, public officials and labor unions. It was those agreements that made the building of our current downtown possible. Without Jim's leadership and constant efforts, some believe we could not have reached the level of revitalization we see in downtown today.” But Wood went farther than just redevelopment. He was concerned about the people. “He got developers to make agreements with the union that represented janitors so that buildings created with public funds or specially granted privileges would create decent jobs for the lowest paid workers.” SRO Housing, which Wood founded, began buying skid row buildings that needed seismic and other improvements to be upgraded to clean, safe, affordable housing for people displaced by downtown development. Those buildings are now a major source of affordable housing for the those most in need in our City. “Jim strongly opposed the idea of letting development simply run people off and insisted it was the City's duty to create somewhere for them to go,” Janice recalled. “As enormous as the problems on Skid Row are today, I believe they would be much worse if not for Jim's intervention.” To honor his efforts, SRO Housing built a community center at 5th and San Julian, the James M. Wood Center." -laist

A portion of W 9th St., from Figueroa to Western, was renamed James M. Wood Blvd in 1999, which confused me at the time. I cannot believe it to me this long to look him up.

P.S.

BTW,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7149981)

The Alhambra Sears Western HQ building (right, above), by A. C. Martin and Associates, is now the Los Angeles County Department of Public Works HQ. LA County Dept of Engineering (a part of Public Works) which spent decades based in A. C. Martin's Higgins building, is now here.

oldstuff Sep 1, 2015 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7149131)
A closer look at the arc light that probably promoted night time commerce and maybe curbed crime? :shrug:




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Chaotic parking as early as 1882. An early argument for mass transit and adequate parking?
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Signs of the times.

Not exactly sure what exactly J.Kennedy advertises, but it probably is not blacksmithing. The 1883-4 CD lists "J. B. Kennedy" as a farmer. Not clear if "J.B." is related to "J". It is equally unclear whether there would be any public listings for businesses of dubious repute - except in the negative. Three references to "gambling" in the 1886-7 CD specifically refer to "no gambling permitted." The Santa Fe Hotel at 339 Upper Main Street also advertises "No Liquors Sold" and "no Chinese employed."

In the same breath, morality and repute are ill defined. The 1875 CD has several listings for saloon keepers and bar tenders and the 1886-7 has 92 listings for saloons, vintners, liquor purveyors and saloon keepers, including a few familiar names: D. Mahlstedt, Maier and Zobelein, Martin and Rinkenbach, Massey and Clark, P.J. McMahon , John McManus, Peter Mueller & Co., James Noel, Gus C. Perret, and Fred Public. Listings for "Dancing" seem mostly restricted to lessons and teachers. Perhaps, not surprisingly, there are a handful of listings for opium and - for the cures. In the 1898CD, Dr. J.S. Brown advertises a two-day guaranteed cure for various drug addictions. Rest assured, "no payment until cured" and everything is "strictly confidential".

The CD publishers did not shy away from listings that included this Alley's name. It appears that the last published use of the name was in 1917.








Anyone try the buffet?


1882 - J Kennedy's.
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In the 1880 Census there were two "J. Kennedys" in Los Angeles. One, John Kennedy was a jeweler and the other, a James Kennedy is listed in the census as a carpenter. John lived on Main Street in 1880. James B. appears in the 1900 census, still as a carpenter. In both 1880 and 1900 James B. Lived on Aliso Street. The 1880 Census shows him at 296 Aliso. That is certainly in the neighborhood

tovangar2 Sep 1, 2015 11:18 PM

St Vibiana
 
Also BTW, it's St. Vibiana's feast day, although I've read she was dropped from the RC calendar because of a lack of historical documentation.

Unearthed in Rome in 1853, Pope Pius IX was so taken by the find that he made Vibiana a saint bypassing the usual procedures (causing a certain amount of confusion re Vibiana's status ever since). Almost nothing is known about her. Vibiana's remains were shipped to California in 1855 via New York, Lima, San Francisco and Monterey to become the patron of the new cathedral here (I'm told a saint's relics are required at each cathedral). The Vibiana name was not transferred to the new cathedral, although her relics were.

St Vibiana is mostly forgotten now by everyone, except Angelenos. As a symbol, not as vivid or loved as the Virgin of Guadalupe (whose image is everywhere), but still, having given her name to one of our best-loved buildings, this enigma's name remains familiar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7109057)


CityBoyDoug Sep 1, 2015 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7150229)
Also BTW, it's St. Vibiana's feast day, although I've read she was dropped from the RC calendar because of a lack of historical documentation.

Unearthed in Rome in 1853, Pope Pius IX was so taken by the find that he made Vibiana a saint bypassing the usual procedures (causing a certain amount of confusion re Vibiana's status ever since). Almost nothing is known about her. Vibiana's remains were shipped to California in 1855 via New York, Lima, San Francisco and Monterey to become the patron of the new cathedral here (I'm told a saint's relics are required at each cathedral). The Vibiana name was not transferred to the new cathedral, although her relics were.

St Vibiana is mostly forgotten now by everyone, except Angelenos. As a symbol, not as vivid or loved as the Virgin of Guadalupe, but still, having given her name to one of our best-loved buildings, this enigma's name remains familiar.

Here is a detail of the St. Vibiana stained glass that's now in the LA Cathedral. In my opinion, the LA Archdiocese has treated the former LA Cathedral in an irreverent damaged goods manner.

Roman Catholic Saint. A 3rd Century Christian martyr, she is the patron saint of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, California.
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Flyingwedge Sep 1, 2015 11:47 PM

905 S. Bonnie Brae, 1900-1962
 
The house on the SW corner of 9th and Bonnie Brae was built by John F. Francis, seen here c. 1903:
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USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...oll65/id/12690

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May 5, 1899, Los Angeles Times @ LAPL

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April 8, 1900, Los Angeles Times @ LAPL

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1901 LA City Directory @ Fold3.com

1906 Sanborn Map:
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LAPL

905 S. Bonnie Brae in an early but undated photo:
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Autry National Center -- http://collections.theautry.org/mweb...25226;type=102

(Mr. Francis' middle initial seems to be written as C at the bottom of the photo, but it was really F.)

1950 Sanborn Map:
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LAPL

905 S. Bonnie Brae was torn down in 1962 and replaced a few years later with this apartment building:
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Dec 2014 GSV

Tourmaline Sep 2, 2015 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 7150107)
In the 1880 Census there were two "J. Kennedys" in Los Angeles. One, John Kennedy was a jeweler and the other, a James Kennedy is listed in the census as a carpenter. John lived on Main Street in 1880. James B. appears in the 1900 census, still as a carpenter. In both 1880 and 1900 James B. Lived on Aliso Street. The 1880 Census shows him at 296 Aliso. That is certainly in the neighborhood

Thanks for the census consultation.

It may be that Horseshoe J Kennedy was a carpenter, although it seems an unlikely symbol for that trade. Conjuring an image of Diamond Jim Brady, the jewelery business seems more likely associated with a horseshoe symbol - but the "Alley" address does not seem to fit, unless it's very cut rate jewelery.

tovangar2 Sep 2, 2015 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7150253)

LOL, that's a very fanciful representation of Vibiana, about whom nothing is known apart from from a brief inscription on her tomb, which only said she was "innocent and pure" ("martyr", I think, was a bit of a guess). But, truth be told, many of the ancestral "portraits" in grand English homes are totally made up too. People do like a visual.

sopas ej Sep 2, 2015 1:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7150229)
Also BTW, it's St. Vibiana's feast day, although I've read she was dropped from the RC calendar because of a lack of historical documentation.

Unearthed in Rome in 1853, Pope Pius IX was so taken by the find that he made Vibiana a saint bypassing the usual procedures (causing a certain amount of confusion re Vibiana's status ever since). Almost nothing is known about her. Vibiana's remains were shipped to California in 1855 via New York, Lima, San Francisco and Monterey to become the patron of the new cathedral here (I'm told a saint's relics are required at each cathedral). The Vibiana name was not transferred to the new cathedral, although her relics were.

St Vibiana is mostly forgotten now by everyone, except Angelenos. As a symbol, not as vivid or loved as the Virgin of Guadalupe (whose image is everywhere), but still, having given her name to one of our best-loved buildings, this enigma's name remains familiar.

Did somebody say St. Vibiana? :D

When St. Vib's was still the Cathedral of the LA Archdiocese, her remains were encased in a wax figure, and kept high above the altar in a glass case.

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USC Archive

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USC Archive

Both images from 1951. According to the USC Archive, that's Archbishop McIntyre in the 2nd photo. I guess that was before he became Cardinal McIntyre.

Incidentally, the youngest sister of a childhood friend of mine was baptized at St. Vibiana's, way back in 1980.


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