Hi Malumot,

I understand what you are saying but there can be a completely different set of rules for prefessional archivists, librarians, journalists, etc. when it comes to reposting/reproducing images or other collateral that is gleaned from sources that hold rights of use and/or ownership. If I were still under contract to a publication, rather than being freelance as I now am, I would have to be very careful about what I reposted on here.

jus my 2.2 cents

~Jon Paul

I get my photos re-posted all the time and since they are "on the web", re-posting is a fair-game, as my attorney said.
The only time I can have any grounds to get upset is if someone is trying to profit off of them.
But, rules are rules, and what might be legal may not be the policy of a website.
So, whomever makes the rules...well, makes the rules.

Consider it karma, or cosmic justice, but this is what happened to the Haggarty's in Pasadena. I took these photos on Sunday, Sept. 18, 2011.
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Photo by me

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The building is now called The Colonnade, and has been subdivided into little businesses, from fast food Japanese food to dental offices, among other things. The staircase is still there, but walking around, you can't tell that it was ever something that was far more elegant. And from what I've read on the internet, the Haggarty's chain was forced into bankruptcy on May 26, 1970, and all 9 stores eventually closed. That's what they get for asking your mother to remove you from their store, Los Angeles Past!

The day I went there, directly behind The Colonnade in the parking lot, was a 1953 Chevy Bel Air coupe. Funny how I've bumped into vintage cars that well represented the eras of the areas of Pasadena I visited specifically to take photographs.
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Of course having visited Haggarty's that day (or what was left of it), I had to go across the street and visit Bullock's. I mean Macy's.

1949
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The landscaping has grown, and the property around the building has been developed into "The Shops on Lake Avenue," but the building pretty much retains its distinctive architecture.
Sept. 18, 2011
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Photo by me

1947
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davethewave

Sept. 18, 2011
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The inside is still very unique, too--although the way today's merchandise is laid out, it looks cluttered. It seems today, they try to stuff way more merchandise into a space than they used to.
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Cosmetic gallery circa 1947
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davethewave

Cosmetic gallery, Sept. 18, 2011
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1947
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davethewave

Sept. 18, 2011
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davethewave

Sept. 18, 2011
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Photo by me

1947
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davethewave

Streets paved in concrete
 

I grew up in a small town in the south. All the streets were concrete and put in from 1929 to 1945. Those streets look the same and are in great shape. They do last forever!!

Excellent before and after photos sopas_ej! I'm enjoying them very much. It is so true how the Haggarty's staircase that once appeared so grand is now barely more than just utilitarian. Karma indeed!

The Macy's photos are heartening in that they seem to have been very careful in protecting the architectural integrity of the building as well as the design asthetic of the interiors while increasing the revenue producing floor space. I love seeing the original lighting fixtures, ornamentation and artwork in tact.

I read recently that when Macy's filed for bankruptcy protection in 1992, the man brought in as CEO to save the Bullock's/Macy's/I. Magnin brands, immediately had the Bullock's Pasadena fountain removed as it was a waste of potentially prime retail space.

I am just glad he did not gut the whole place.

Thanks again for posting your great photos (especially the Bel Air)!

~Jon Paul

Good pictures, Sopas. Looks like Haggerty's suffered the same fate as I. Magnin on Wilshire Boulevard - just enough "bones" left to let us know what it was like back when. There is more of the old Bullock's visible, although Macy's has, typically, junked it up and absolutely ruined the spaces. Does Macy's really not understand what's wrong with seeking to emulate WalMart?

Chicken Boy!!
 

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Chicken Boy on Broadway 1969-84

Do any of you remember Chicken Boy? The Chicken Boy restaurant at 450 S. Broadway was a landmark when I went to school downtown in the seventies. The restaurant was definitely one of our regular lunch haunts because the food was really good and really cheap!

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Chuck is ready for his close-up Mr. DeMille

Our favorite reason to go there though was Chicken Boy, the 22 foot fiberglass sculpture on the roof who looked like the offspring of Paul Bunyan and Foghorn Leghorn. We early on decided he needed a name, so we came up with Chuck. From then on all we had to say was "Chuck's Place?" and we knew where we were having lunch that day.

In the mid-eighties I was back in downtown Los Angesles for a conference and noticed Chuck was gone. It seemed very strange to me to see that block of Broadway without Chuck.

Fast forward to a couple of years ago. I was reading a FIDM Alumni newsletter and saw a picture of Chuck! The accompanying article stated that Chuck had been saved from sure demise in 1984 by a wonderful woman named Amy. The guy who wrote the newsletter article had not been part of of our FIDM class, so he didn't know that Chicken Boy's nickname was Chuck. Anywho, I digress.

The article stated that even though Chuck had not had a permanent home in the previous 23 years, he had still been quite busy. In her many efforts to find Chuck a home Amy had, over the years, created a website for him, allowed him to appear in a music video and allowed him to star in a student produced movie appropriately titled "The Adventures of Chicken Boy", etc. He has Facebook and MySpace pages as well.

Best news of all is that Chuck finally has a home! He now graces the roof of the Future Art Collective on Figueroa in Highland Park.

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Chuck's new home 5558 N. Figueroa, Highland Park

Two of my former classmates and I are going to be in LA this coming weekend for a special program at FIDM and we have decided that we are going to take a drive out and say hey to our old friend Chuck. I hear he is sometimes referred to as the Statue of Liberty for Los Angeles. Good 'ol Chuck :cheers:

~Jon Paul

All photos chickenboy.com

noirish hydrant trouble on hill street between 6th and 7th. looking east towards st. vincents court and the back side of the los angeles theater on broadway - 1951

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Source: USC Digital Archives

*******CORRECTION************
this location is actually 6th Street between Broadway and Hill facing the south side of the street - many thanks to ersatz01 for properly locating this troublesome hydrant!

How many Pig-n-whistles were there in downtown? I counted 3 so far. One on Broadway near 7th,one on 7th in The Fine Arts Building and now I noticed the recent one on 6th St between Hill and Broadway.:tup: Any news on the NEW one opening up in The Fine Arts Building soon?

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lapl

below: Here is another photograph of the Olive Inn. Notice the sign near the roof line on the side of the building.

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Arnold Hylen

Thank you Rick M. for the information!

This atmospheric photo posted by Jon Paul was one of a series taken by Herman Schultheis.
Many of these photos epitomize the adjective 'noirish', which didn't exist until this thread.

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lapl



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lapl



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lapl



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lapl



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lapl


Play these images on a loop accompanied by Artie Shaw's "Nightmare" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W59F...feature=fvwrel
....then paste in several unsavory characters and presto you have yourself a 'mini-noir'.


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some new amazing images at LAPL

looking south on cinnabar from snd street......definately an image that hasn't come along on a regular basis....that's fer dayum sure!

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Source: LAPL


looking east on 1st street across flower

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looking east across hope street between 1st and snd streets at the bunker hill hotel apartments at 116 s. hope, (on the left), and the rowan apartments 122 s. hope (on the .......well right!)

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Source: LAPL

a beutiful italian ornate brick apartment house that stood at the south west corner of hope and court street.

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Source: LAPL

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This is like urban pornography. Look at that density! That architecture! Ahhhh!

The Engstrum Apartments far left and the Sherwood Apartments far right in 1930.
In the center is the very beginning of the wonderful art deco Edison Building.

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lapl


below: A short time later, still showing the Engstrum and Sherwood Apartments.

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lapl



below: The Engstrum Apartments in the shadow of the Edison building.

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below: The Engstrum Apartments and the Bonaventure Hotel. I am completely surprised that the Engstrum still existed into the 1980s.

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lapl

Thanks so much for posting those other photos from the Schultheis series etheral_reality!!! I absolutely love them.

I am so taking your suggestion and creating myself a mini-noir. In addition to the unsavory characters (no problem for me to find a few), after watching the Artie Shaw clip, I simply must incorporate Sally Rand and her fans.

Also, thanks for starting this thread so that, among many things, the word noirish could come in to my life. It has become a favorte descriptor.

~Jon Paul

Actually this location is on 6th Street between Broadway and Hill facing the south side of the street. Its a block Northeast of St. Vincents Court. And the Los Angeles Theater sign is still there.

:previous:

thank you ersatz01! i had the hardest time trying to place the image. i took my best guess, and was hoping that someone would recognize it and correct me if i was wrong.

much obliged!