DOWNTOWN | Underground Atlanta redevelopment
Now that the sale of Underground to WRS appears close to becoming a reality, this could be a transformational development for downtown. Some are concerned however that it could be a disaster if the of 2,000 additional parking spaces and a mega grocery store are the plan.
The plan
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This is a truly trans-formative project. If the Underground could be developed in such a way, downtown Atlanta would be taking multiple steps forward.
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Invest Atlanta board OKs master plan for Underground Atlanta
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I'm a little torn with this plan. On one hand, this will no doubt be an incredible boost to downtown. But this developer only knows suburban strip mall style development as evidenced by the spaces designated for Jr anchor (think TJ Maxx or Dollar Tree). The idea of an urban strip mall in the middle of downtown sounds horrible but on the other hand maybe it's what the market can support at this time and can evolve over time. :shrug:
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Where is the urban strip mall at....? To me, it looks like solid urbanism...the only bad thing is the Kenny's Alley turning into a docking area.
Do people realize that many Americans cities outside of their downtown areas are literally urban strip malls simply up against the street particularly commercial strips? |
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By the way, this isn't outside of downtown. This happens to be in the historic heart of the city. |
2,000 parking spots? Forreal?
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REALLY???
Let's see, WRS is adding these additions to the Underground: * 7 new highrise buildings * 1,000 residential units * 320 room hotel * 250,000 sf retail * Grocery store but they should not add any additional parking? Some of you rather terminate the project altogether because the are adding parking? Honestly, the rhetoric on this forum is really becoming extremist. I could almost guarantee WRS would rather save the $30+/- Million building the parking spaces if they could find renters, retailers and banks to sign on and/or finance the project. How about ya'll share your deep contacts with WRS so you can make this a more profitable project for them.... http://i.imgur.com/kmvBH1T.jpg?1 |
Can't you just express your opinion on here without resorting to attacks, blatantly misstating other people's views, and making and posting over-the-top pictures? Seriously, why would you take the time to make and post that image? The ironic part is that three of your "no parking" icons are located on top of the 1500 EXISTING PARKING SPACES.
It's a horrifically bad design. That's my informed opinion. In addition to the 1500 spaces that are already present, there are 90,000 parking spaces downtown, and even at peak demand they're around 60% occupied. It's completely reasonable to demand that this development involve minimal additional parking spots. If it were just about anywhere else in the metro, fine, but this does not belong in the heart of downtown. So yes, I would rather terminate this project. From the Council for New Urbanism: This proposal is poorly designed for the center of Downtown Atlanta and stands in stark contrast to the City of Atlanta Department of Planning's rezoning efforts. For a development at the epicenter of Atlanta's transit system, which already has parking garages that take up nearly two full blocks of the project area's street frontage, to plan for a total of 3,470 parking spaces is wild. The City should take a closer look at MARTA's work developing their properties into Transit-Oriented Developments with appropriate parking scenarios. Additionally, the (now even bigger) 80,000 square foot grocery store will most likely fail to adequately activate these streets, especially Upper Pryor thanks to parking garages that take up most of the street front. Nothing says exciting city street like the long side of a big box grocery store. This development undermines many of the investments the City has already put into Downtown and Atlanta's future development writ large. The plan calls for a 2:1 parking ratio for the 1,000 residential units planned, more standard in a suburban setting than a transit-adjacent downtown development. Why build the Atlanta Streetcar or roll out the Relay Bike Share program if you plan for the most people who could access them to drive anyway? Why invest in a revamped DPCD & Atlanta City Studio if you're not going to heed what they say? In addition, it's quite clear the city already had this specific developer in mind, and it was not an open process: https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...45&oe=5972AFCD |
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The more I learn about this the less I like it. Those pretty renderings are very misleading. |
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As someone who has to go to the Fulton County Court a lot (for work) I have to use the Underground Parking deck at MLK and Central and it is usually PACKED! I also know the one at MLK and Pryor is also packed because of the courts and government buildings. Don't just assume that all the parking that currently exists is JUST for Underground. Not sure about the other 2 on the north side of the train tracks, but I'm sure it's a similar situation.
This is all to say that adding parking is necessary, especially when you look at all the residences, retail, and hotel space that is being added. The amount of parking spaces being added is debatable, though. Maybe only add 750-1000, since it's next to Five Points. Quote:
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@shivtim, I appreciate the detailed info. Civic engagement on all sides is vital for a city. It's ridiculous the didn't have a bid out for this project. Shady shady shady
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Apartments 1000 apartments - assuming there is a mix of 1, 2, and 3 bedrooms. Lets assume the following mix: 1 bedroom (600 units) = 750 parking spacesTotal Required Parking Spaces for Apartments Per Code: 1,475 Hotel Given the size of the hotel we can assume it is a full service hotel and therefore it has a restaurant. 320 rooms = 400 parking spacesTotal Required Parking Spaces for hotel Per Code: 400 Retail Let's assume the project is 30% restaurants and 70% non-restaurant retail of the 250,000 square feet Restaurant(s) 75,000 square feet = 750 parking spacesTotal Required Parking Spaces for Retail Per Code: 1,625 Total Required Parking Spaces for the Underground Development/WRS, Inc. Per Fulton Country Code: 3,500 Question for shivtim: As I have mentioned before, I am a Big Data Scientist/Consultant. Therefore, I "try" as best to come from a place of fact - especially in discussions or debates. Per my analysis above (albeit I did make some assumptions on the apartments and retail mix) I believe WRS, Inc is only including/constructing the required parking per Fulton County Code. 1. So your issue is with the Fulton County Code not WRS, Inc - correct? 2. In Midtown, Related Group is buillding a 77,000 sq Whole Foods. Did you express concerns about that project, as well as, the ancillary parking require per code with regard to "activating the streets"? Can you please post a link to your post if there is one? 3. You point to the fact Downtown already has 90,000 parking spaces. With that said, do you feel WRS, Inc can tell their lending partners we don't need to construct any additional parking in this mammouth development because the renters, hotel guests and shoppers can just park somewhere else downtown? Do you believe their financial backers will agree that no additional parking is required and fund the project? https://www.municode.com/library/ga/...ALO_18.2PASPRE http://i.imgur.com/sxnDxjV.png |
Do you think Fulton County parking requirements are the over-riding code in downtown Atlanta? Can you not think of one example where fewer parking spots than this were built? Can you understand that some of us think a car-centric development in the heart of the city, next to the busiest transit station in the region is not appropriate? If WRS can't make the economics of this work without 3,500 parking spots, then it's not an appropriate design in the first place.
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The Five Points MARTA is a shit hole - the Underground is a shit hole. Trust me, I worked in the Centennial Building for two years and took MARTA from Buckhead to the Five Points station daily. If I left work after 6:00 PM I would cab or Uber home because that area is dangerous. Therefore, I feel if some developer is willing (dumb enough) to invest $400 Million in this area (God Bless them) and I could give (2) or (3) shits whether they built 3,500 or even 10,000 parking spaces. I would just kindly ask they make them look pretty and have ground floor retail. My question(s) to you: Outside of NYC or Chicago, can you point to a development/city that has built a project of this size and scope without a similar ratio of parking? Again, I like to come from a place of facts because I believe that is the standard we should hold the developer to and it is also what banks look at when deciding if they will fund a project. Also, what were you thoughts on Midtown's Wholefoods' project and the parking podium and whether it activates the street(s)? I want to understand if you have a consistent standard with respect to development/grocery stores in Atlanta because this is how city codes are written (based on consistent standards). Thanks. |
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