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ethereal_reality Jul 29, 2010 6:26 PM

Here's the same view WITH the street sign.

ethereal_reality Jul 29, 2010 6:58 PM

410 Crocker Street

below: Front entrance of 410 Crocker Street.

ethereal_reality Jul 29, 2010 7:05 PM

327 N. Beaudry

gsjansen Aug 1, 2010 4:31 PM

looking north on figueroa and 1st circa 1929, (or so.....)
USC Digital Archives

Looking nw at the NW corner of Grand and 4th 1890. The Brunsom Mansion is the large structure at the right
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I don't know if this one has been posted before, (it probably has....), but it is a great shot of angels flight. The original upper station pavilion is in it's full beauty before the north end got lopped off. everything is nice, neat and manicured. no hint of the noir future that this area would become.
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Tony in Glendale Aug 3, 2010 1:15 AM

Great pictures! I'd place that first picture in 1935 or '36, based on the cars.

Interesting to see that "Vegetarian Restaurant" next to Angels Flight. I think a lot of younger folks would be surprised to see something like that so long ago.

ethereal_reality Aug 3, 2010 1:42 AM

A vegetarian cafeteria from that time period is mind-boggling.

mdiederi Aug 3, 2010 5:26 AM

The photo with the Vegetarian Cafeteria is from 1910 according to this site: , and according to the L.A. Times the concept of a "cafeteria" started in L.A. and that is the world's first vegetarian cafeteria. Hmm? According to wiki, cafeterias started elsewhere.

sopas ej Aug 4, 2010 2:15 AM

I figured it was 1910 because of the woman crossing the street in her very trendy hobble skirt, which was a fad that only lasted from 1910-1911. I guess the other women in the far left didn't catch the hobble skirt bug, though their skirt lengths are correct for 1910.

Tony in Glendale Aug 4, 2010 8:51 PM

Yep, the bottom picture definitely looks like 1910. I was referring to the top picture which looks like 1936 or so, based on the cars.

gsjansen Aug 5, 2010 3:13 PM

Outpost Estates
Outpost Estates is a canyon neighborhood of Hollywood and the Hollywood Hills in the central region of the City of Los Angeles, California.

It is located directly east of Runyon Canyon Park and centered around Outpost Drive. Outpost Estates is bordered by Mulholland Drive to the north, Franklin Canyon to the south, Runyon Canyon to the west and Cahuenga Boulevard to the east. Developed by Charles E. Toberman, it is one of the original 1920s Hollywood luxury residential neighborhoods in the heart of Old Hollywood. Most of the original houses have been preserved, and Lower Outpost looks much like it did in the 1920s.

The origin of the name "Outpost" derives from an early building on the site. General Harrison Grey Otis, the owner of the Los Angeles Times, acquired the estate from Don Tómas Urquidez through legal wrangling associated with California's scession to the United States. Otis converted the adobe into a clubhouse for entertaining which he called The Outpost

In the 1920s, Outpost Estates once had a sign not unlike the Hollywoodland sign (which later became the Hollywood sign). The OUTPOST sign is still there, buried in the weeds. It was one of the largest neon signs in the world. Even the original foundation and electrical junction boxes survive.

The Outpost Estates development was one of the first neighborhoods in the country to offer all-underground utilities.

A 1927 view of the sign

a 1927 closeup view of the sign

view of the sign from the Chinese Theater
Bison Archives

a recent view of the Outpost sign remains looking across towards the hollywood sign

A 1905 image of the Don Tómas Urquidez adobe, the 1st house in Hollywood, located at the northwest corner of Franklin and Sycamore
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a 1928 image of Cahuenga Pass with a billboard on the left for Outpost Estates

Actress Delores Del Rio in front of her Outpost Estates Mansion, corner of Outpost Drive and Hillside, circa 1928. The house is still there, preserved, with much original detail.

Here's a closeup of a outpost estates billboard

ethereal_reality Aug 5, 2010 6:06 PM

^^^Excellent post gsjansen. I wasn't aware of Outpost Estates.

So fascinating that the old Outpost sign is still up in the hills rusting away.
I never would have guessed that it actually lit up...and with neon??

chinghis Aug 7, 2010 7:15 AM

Hello, everyone, and thanks to all of you for the fantastic thread. I've registered here just to chime in to say thanks, and eventually comment on the images. I'm only 15 pages in, but I've noticed a few things.

First, post #67, page 4 of the thread, second picture: I believe that image is from 1938. Looks like the movie theater advertises "first run pictures" on the side of the marquee. The movies running that day are "Hard to Get" (with Dick Powell) and "Orphans of the Street", both of which came out in 1938, according to IMDB. Looking closely, I see that there are a bunch of African-Americans in the lower left-hand corner, which struck me as odd at first, since I haven't seen many in any of the pictures I've been able to get through so far. But then I looked again, and it's a shoe-shine parlor. Wow, just wow. Great images of life from that time.

Second - post #71, same page, the old Chinatown photos. The Old Gold cigarette ads are hilarious - "Not a cough in a carload" (second picture)! If you look at the fifth picture in that post, the last one, you can see the same signs for Old Gold cigs. So, same street, different angle.

Finally, back on the Ralphs photos, 'round about page 15, I drive past one of those old stores all the time - the one on Pasadena Ave. I'm going to have to pay special attention to that the next time I do.

OK, back to page 16. Forgive me if any of this has been mentioned, I have a lot of catching up to do. Again, many thanks, I may be as excited as Sopas_ej was when he first stumbled on this thread ...

gsjansen Aug 7, 2010 12:17 PM

a very bizarre 1928 ad campaign for the pickwick stages motor bus company. i'm not quite sure what the company was trying to promote.....but it certainly appears that they were trying to persuade young fashionably dressed women to come to hollywood, where the police are quite friendly......................hmmmmmmm, friendly police and young new to town women ..........................very noir indeed

ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2010 4:14 PM

Welcome to the thread chinghis.

I liked your comments on the photos from the early days of the thread.
They intrigued enough to go back and take a second look.

ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2010 4:53 PM

A rare glimpse inside the Melody Lane located in the Laemmle Building at Hollywood & Vine St.
Previously this was the location of the Richard Neutra designed CoCo Tree Cafe from 1932 to 1940.

First, the sketches.

A few interior photos.

ethereal_reality Aug 8, 2010 4:39 PM

Here is a link to a detailed article on the lost airfields of Los Angeles.

Be sure and read the comments section.....they're extremely intersting.

below: Charlie Chaplin Airfield southwest corner of Wilshire Blvd. and Cresent Ave. (now Fairfax)

ethereal_reality Aug 8, 2010 5:05 PM

The Idle Hour Cafe at 4824 Vineland Ave. North Hollywood.
One of the last remaining examples of vernacular architecture.
Gerald Fecht 2009
Gerald Fecht 2009

below: The amazing interior bar.
Chris Nichols

Here is a link.


JDRCRASH Aug 9, 2010 4:34 AM

Wow. Today, that place looks like a dump.

gsjansen Aug 9, 2010 2:56 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4939009)
..............the Laemmle Building at Hollywood & Vine St. Previously this was the location of the Richard Neutra designed CoCo Tree Cafe from 1932 to 1940.....................

The poor Laemmle building:(

In 1925 German immigrant, movie maker and president of Universal Pictures. Carl Laemmle purchased the NW corner of Hollywood and Vine property from George Hoover for $350,000. Laemmle planned to build an elaborate 900-seat theater and office building on the site.
L.A. Times Archive

The economic depression of 1929 hit hard and Laemmle's building plans were put on hold. The site sat vacant except for billboards advertising Universal Pictures in release

In 1932 Richard Neutra was retained to design The CoCo Tree Cafe. It was designed in the International style.
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Interior of the Coco Tree Cafe

In 1940, restaurateur Sidney Hoedemaker of the Pig 'n' Whistle - Melody Lane chain, leased the northwest corner Hollywood and Vine transformed it into a Melody Lane restaurant.

Hoedemaker did not care for Neutra's International style of architecture and he had the restaurant redesigned more to his liking. He hired coffee shop modern architect Wayne McAllister and S. Charles Lee to do the design. The images shown in ethereal_reality's post are the McAllister/Lee designs for the Melody Lane.
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grand opening advertisement
L.A. Times Archives

In 1955, Hody's restaurant group signed a 20 year lease for the property on the northwest corner of Hollywood Blvd and Vine Street. Hoedemaker had it remodel extensively
1955 Postcard
1957 postcard

early 1960's image of hollywood and vine
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In 1969, Sidney Hoedemaker passed away, and the Laemmle building was then leased to Howard Johnson's
1972 postcard

Howard Johnson's remained at this location through to 1986
California State Library

With the closing of the Brown derby on Vine Street, a new venture utilizing the famed brown derby's name was opened after the Howard Johnson had closed in 1987
California State Library

for the next 20 years the site was utilized for different types of retail uses

The final incarnation of the Laemmle Building was the Basque Nightclub. In 2008, the building caught fire, and was subsequently torn down

Current 2010 view of the site

BrandonJXN Aug 9, 2010 9:13 PM

I have a question: I live in Culver City and I was wondering if any of you can dig up any info on the Hotel Culver? I live half a block away from this very nice building and the only thing I know about it is that the cast of 'The Wizard of Oz' stayed there during filming.

Also: I live in the Hotel West End and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it?

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