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Martin Pal May 2, 2015 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7011931)
Now back to the epicenter of 'Indian Alley', 118 Winston Street.

The building had a cameo in the film 'The Sting'."

Here is a comparison shot of 118 Winston Street and as seen in The Sting as the Western Union Office.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zbGCUxoKGC...Office_Now.jpgYuri G.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nz75a7rnJH...fice_Sting.jpgYuri G.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7012165)
(There were also some "The Sting" scenes filmed in that maze of alleys in the block bound by Union/Colorado & DeLacey/Fair Oaks (next to the Forever 21 block) out in Pasadena)

Joliet, Illinois – W. Union Street between N. Fair Oaks and De Lacey Avenues, Pasadena, California

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k0OqUdYr-5...reet_Sting.jpgYuri G.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0Br01T1uXS...Street_Now.jpgYuri G.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fM-PX_Rs3z...etView_Now.jpgYuri G.

Johnny Hooker (Robert Redford) and Luther Coleman (Robert Earl Jones) swindle the mob courier – Smith Alley looking toward W. Union Street, Pasadena, California. The second picture shows Smith Alley looking toward Hugus Alley.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WBBVyMGcJW...lley_Sting.jpgYuri G.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ld0YxeZUUB...hAlley_Now.jpgYuri G.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J_54X83aZw...ley2_Sting.jpgYuri G.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7hDNjt5ijg...Alley2_Now.jpgYuri G.

Hooker running to drugstore to make an urgent phone call ("Kid Erie" behind him) - W. Union Street between N. Fair Oaks and De Lacey Avenues, Pasadena, California

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3UfouK565O...reet_Sting.jpgYuri G.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QWeCkvxcMj...Street_Now.jpgYuri G.

Hooker on his way to "The Sting" in the morning – Hugus Alley looking toward Miller Alley, Pasadena, California

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jlddtWVKkX...lley_Sting.jpgYuri G.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fD87O2WADk...sAlley_Now.jpgYuri G.

Reverse angle: Hugus Alley looking toward Smith Alley, Pasadena, California.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RqkDLv8jfC...lley_Sting.jpgYuri G.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mMHyFIlrrE...sAlley_Now.jpgYuri G.
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There was some location filming at the Biltmore Hotel and this is another famous location shoot for THE STING, the Santa Monica Pier:

http://www.seeing-stars.com/Images/S...MonicaPier.JPG
http://www.seeing-stars.com/ImagePag...ierPhoto.shtml

As it appeared in THE STING with period automobiles and matte painting of Chicago surrounding it.

http://www.boomerslife.org/santa_mon...ting_movie.jpg
BoomersLife

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4033/4...a27c3a5f_z.jpgHoffarth/Flickr

http://www.boomerslife.org/santa_mon...ting_movie.jpgBoomersLife

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wPlKXeqKOV...elSide_Now.jpgYuri G.

The blog, HERE, that I found these screengrabs from, states something I didn't know::

In 1972 a somewhat insensitive city council voted to remove the pier and replace it with a concrete island and 29-story hotel. Local citizen activists were a bit upset, and formed Save Santa Monica Bay to oppose the tear-down of this widely used--and free--public gathering place.

He says that the filming of The Sting there in the spring of 1973 and subsequent publicity helped galvanize the community to save the pier and to get an initiative for the Santa Monica city ballot which passed and the council reversed their decision. In 2009 the pier celebrated it's 100th anniversary and the carousel and the building that houses it is still open!

tovangar2 May 3, 2015 1:17 AM

Pasadena
 
:previous: Thanks MP, that was very enjoyable.

The block with all the alleys is here:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c...20911%2BPM.jpg
google maps

e_r's recent post called attention to this block, very gentrified these days.

Wig-Wag May 3, 2015 2:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7012392)
'mystery' location #2.

The seller believes this is somewhere in Hollywood. The date is Dec. 29, 1952.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/Anv2IX.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-SLI...item43dbac4715


I found this dude's boots.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...538/Nfaapf.jpg
http://circusnospin.blogspot.com/201...8_archive.html

They belong to Montie Montana. :)

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As a kid I boarded a lot of those PE cars to LA from this very spot, and spent many hot summer afternoons watching the Southern Pacific Van Nuys Local switch the yard from cool shade of the station freight platform. As a teenager I purchased quite a few car parts from Huffakers and North Hollywood Carburetor & Ignition across the street.

This was the last day of Pacific Electric rail service in the San Fernando Valley.

Details from the Electric Railway Historical Association site:

The last regular car left Subway Terminal at 1:20 AM Sunday, December 28, 1952—car 5138. The last car ever was the 5146, that ran as the Pacific Electric-Chamber of Commerce Special inbound, leaving Van Nuys at 11:30 AM Monday, December 29, 1952. The line went dead officially at 3:00 PM that same afternoon when power was cut off. The 17 5100s used on the Valley run were placed in dead storage at West Hollywood immediately. All trackage was pulled up except for two blocks of the inbound track on Highland avenue from Santa Monica Boulevard to Lexington, kept for freight use, and the SP trackage in the vicinity of North Hollywood. The “dream” right-of-way through Cahuenga Pass was paved over in 1957 to add two additional lanes to the Hollywood Freeway.

Cheers,
Jack

Mstimc May 3, 2015 3:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7011113)
I have to admit,I prefer the days before CGI. It's so disappointing that CGI effects are being over-used in movies.
Today, if a production calls for a 1,000 person crowd scene, the CGI effects team will say,
"Why stop at 1,000, when we can make it a 100,000 person crowd scene!"
It's just bloated over-kill without any of the charm......like watching a 90 minute video game.

I see a day when a movie might advertise...
No CGI effects used! Real Explosions! Real Crowd Scenes! Real Sets! Real Models!

Now that's something I would go and see. :)

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E-R, appearntly, you're not the only one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZlOn9V_MmE

HenryHuntington May 3, 2015 4:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7012372)
I came across this photograph last night on eBay.

'mystery' location.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/AK4led.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOS-ANGELES-...item25a54b97b7

An especially large intersection.

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I'll try this one: we're looking south on Vermont Ave. at Florence Ave. This intersection was a junction point for LARy's U and F lines (actually the southern terminus of the U line). The F line's rails curve toward the camera and will continue to Hoover St. on private right-of-way before turning north.

Looking southward (again), the F line will continue to 116th St. Its rails once were part of the L.A. & Redondo Ry. until the Great Merger of 1911.

tovangar2 May 3, 2015 4:42 AM

Robert Brown Young in Pico-Union
 
Hey Tetsu and Beaudry, I just noticed that "Landmarks of Los Angeles" McGrew & Julian (1994) has a little more info on the peregrinations of Robert Brown Young's Green (1875 W 11th St, 1890) and Forget (1047 S Bonnie Brae, 1890) residences.

Although they identify these homes as being in Westlake rather than Pico-Union, they say both were moved in 1909 from S Olive because of DTLA "business expansion". The corner house isn't mentioned or how three homes ended up on two lots.

Alphonse J. Forget Residence, rear elevation:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...92839%2BPM.jpg
gsv

Richard Green Residence, west wall:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_...93253%2BPM.jpg
gsv

Those Who Squirm! May 3, 2015 7:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7011678)
Byron Barr was a nice-looking guy. I could turn up nothing more on him except that he died up in Sacramento.

Curiously enough, Byron Barr was also the real first and last name of Gig Young. I had no idea there was another actor who used that name professionally, and explains why GY didn't want to or wasn't able to use his own name. I'd always wondered about that, considering that Byron Barr seems like an ideal stage name, not only having a certain kind of manly punch so perfect for the postwar era, but also looking good in the preliminary star credits to boot.

MichaelRyerson May 3, 2015 3:04 PM

Programming alert!
 
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5328/...4a7e6304_o.pngMike pulls into the curb, Carver rides. 1955

Gaby Rodgers and Ralph Meeker in "Kiss Me Deadly."

United Artists / Parklane Productions (1955)


Kiss Me Deadly coming up on TCM @ 11:00 am/cst

GaylordWilshire May 3, 2015 3:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsu (Post 6923337)

About the confusion of the 11th & Bonnie Brae homes, it's quite mutual. Lol. I wish I could remember where I read that 1851 had been moved. Couldn't find it, but as consolation, I did find a few 80's-eraish-looking photos of 1851 and 1047 that I don't think ever been posted here, the latter of which has definitely seen worse days than we even realized (still with that horrible replacement porch railing).

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...pstv3e0xoy.jpg
http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psnjuggo0b.jpgLA City Planning


Richard Green appears to have owned property along Bonnie Brae Street, living at #811; he had five sons, including William J, Burton E--famous developer of Beverly Hills--Alfred, Calvin and Luther. Richard was living at 811 S Bonnie Brae in the '90s and would be living there until his death at 97 in 1934; Calvin would die at 811 in 1950. Luther married Edith Neustadt, daughter of Effie Neustadt (who lived in the early '00s at 823 S Bonnie Brae), in 1904; the newlyweds moved into a house Effie built for them on Wilshire Boulevard (see http://wilshireboulevardhouses.blogs...e-see-our.html). Edith Green died in 1908. The Neustadts and Greens were both real estate investors, the Greens acquiring the NW corner of Bonnie Brae and 11th St at some point. Alphonsus Forget's house had been built at 1003 S Olive ca. 1890--how it came into the mix is unclear-- I thought maybe he was related by marriage to the Greens, but I didn't look too far into that. At any rate, William Green was living at 1851 W 11th by 1911 in the other moved R B Young house; the house on the corner (given a build date of 1895 by the assessor), came to be occupied by Luther after the death of Effie. And in a nice noir cherry on top, Luther was murdered at 1053 S Bonnie Brae in 1927, apparently for his basement stash of booze:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w...2520AM.bmp.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...2520AM.bmp.jpg
Times Feb 4, 1927



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1...737%2520AM.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-q...755%2520AM.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-A...823%2520AM.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K...833%2520AM.jpg
Times Jan 30, 1914

tovangar2 May 3, 2015 5:39 PM

Slaying on S Bonnie Brae
 
:previous: Thanks. That was fascinating, but there is no 1035 S Bonnie Brae these days. It jumps from 1031 to 1037. I'm left confused as to which was the murder house.

GaylordWilshire May 3, 2015 5:48 PM

:previous:

It's a typo. It's 1053.

GaylordWilshire May 3, 2015 6:21 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...2520PM.bmp.jpgWiki


A little on Dr. Alphonsus J. Forget's house still standing at 1047 S Bonnie Brae... Dr. Forget appears to have bought it in the mid-'90s from Casper Behrendt, whose brother-in-law was Kaspare Cohn, benefactor of the precursor of Cedars-Sinai.


When the Behrendt-Forget house was on Olive Street, there was a reward out for a missing lorgnette per a classified item in the Times December 13, 1894... and later, there wa "A NAUGHTY GIRL" in residence...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...2520PM.bmp.jpg
Times June 11 & 15, 1898


Mary Forget, wife of Dr. Forget--who worked in his residence--died in 1907; once the house was moved to Bonnie Brae, there was this, per the Herald of January 12, 1910:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C...2520PM.bmp.jpg

tovangar2 May 3, 2015 6:56 PM

S Bonnie Brae
 
:previous: Thanks again. That actually answered a question I've had for a long time. There's a 1922 apartment building now on the site of the Dave's residence, but with the original stables on the alley. I wondered what the backstory was on that.

Left to right, The Athletic Model Guild compound, the Luther Green murder house, the Forget house, the 1922 replacement for the Dave's home and the 1896 Persons' residence:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-q...13156%2BAM.jpg
gsv

1910 Baist Map when the Dave residence was still in place:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...21621%2BPM.jpg
historicmapworks

And here's the Dave's stables, which survived the fire (the Forget is on the right):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...13514%2BAM.jpg
gsv

The 1921 Baist map of the NW corner of S Bonnie Brae and W 11th St the year before the
Dave residence was finally replaced with apartments, 12 years after the fire:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...05738%2BAM.jpg
historicmapworks

Luther Green's handsome, final home with the Forget at right:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...24421%2BPM.jpg
gsv

And finally, the not forgotten former site of the Behrendt/Forget home, 1003 S Olive on the SW corner of S Olive and W 10th (Olympic):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...11013%2BAM.jpg
gsv

1909 Los Angeles Birdseye Map showing the intersection of S Olive and W 10th (Olympic)
when the homes were still in place:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z...20945%2BPM.jpg
historicmapworks

1003 S Olive, now at 1047 S Bonnie Brae:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...12445%2BPM.jpg
gsv


P.S.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7013269)
Richard Green appears to have owned property along Bonnie Brae Street, living at #811; he had five sons, including William J, Burton E--famous developer of Beverly Hills--Alfred, Calvin and Luther. Richard was living at 811 S Bonnie Brae in the '90s and would be living there until his death at 97 in 1934; Calvin would die at 811 in 1950. Luther married Edith Neustadt, daughter of Effie Neustadt (who lived in the early '00s at 823 S Bonnie Brae)

I wish like anything I could have seen the 800 block of S Bonnie Brae intact. If the 1894 Wright-Mooers house at 818 and No. 824 (1893) are anything to go by, it must have been spectacular:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G...33034%2BPM.jpg
gsv 2007

ProphetM May 3, 2015 7:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7012677)
I had a look for their original house at Sylmar and Sylvan, but I couldn't find it. That may be due to new Google Maps being horrendous to use compared to the classic version in terms of speed, features and interface! I'd use Bing Maps if their StreetSide images weren't such poor quality.

For anyone such as myself, who refusing to give up classic Google Maps until they disconnect the servers and smash them to bits, here is a link to Classic that still works:

http://maps.google.com/?output=c

And here is another one:

http://www.google.com/lochp

I don't know how much longer they will work but for now we are spared the horrendous new version.

Even though they have already removed some of what made Classic better (My Maps were removed months ago, and I have noticed that some former 45-degree views are now 45-degree with a 3D model underlayment), it's still better than the new version.

lemster2024 May 3, 2015 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 7013048)
I'll try this one: we're looking south on Vermont Ave. at Florence Ave. This intersection was a junction point for LARy's U and F lines (actually the southern terminus of the U line). The F line's rails curve toward the camera and will continue to Hoover St. on private right-of-way before turning north.

Looking southward (again), the F line will continue to 116th St. Its rails once were part of the L.A. & Redondo Ry. until the Great Merger of 1911.

Yep, that's Florence and Vermont. I went to Mt. Carmel High School nearby on Hoover, and walked to Vermont to catch the RTD. The Plymouth building lasted thru till the '70s, if I'm not mistaken...it was painted green back in the 1970's and it was Southwest Chevrolet back then.

Martin Pal May 4, 2015 6:02 PM

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Tourmaline May 4, 2015 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6126970)



Interesting example of colorized noir. :cool:

https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...88&oe=55DD1CEDhttps://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...88&oe=55DD1CED

GaylordWilshire May 4, 2015 8:48 PM

:previous:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z...2520AM.bmp.jpg


After posting the colorized El Monte Simons shot above a few days ago (here), I found a colorized version of the Simons at Wilshire & Fairfax... which we must have seen here before (no luck with a search)...


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k...76/simons2.jpg



And here's a colorized McDonnell's (probably also seen here in b&w, but unfindable)... below it is an LAPL shot of what appears to be same location cited in the accompanying info--Beverly & La Brea--or is it? A tile-roof building is at left in both shots, wires criss-cross similarly, and there are tall signs at right in both...but the later one, based on the cars, has a curious misspelling....can anyone spot it?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s...nellscolor.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00008/00008788.jpgLAPL

Colorized shots: imbuedwithhues.com

GaylordWilshire May 4, 2015 8:55 PM

Then there is this shot I've seen many times over the years, but which is also elusive with the search device...


https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...5ce30368927a0f
imbuedwithhues.com


Some sources say this shot was taken on Wilshire Boulevard, but the streetlamps aren't Specials...maybe west of Fairfax?

GaylordWilshire May 4, 2015 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7013453)
I wish like anything I could have seen the 800 block of S Bonnie Brae intact. If the 1894 Wright-Mooers house at 818 and No. 824 (1893) are anything to go by, it must have been spectacular:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G...33034%2BPM.jpg
gsv 2007


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r...2520PM.bmp.jpgKcet

I've posted the shot above before--couldn't find where....


The fourth house would be Cyrus Boynton's 836 S Bonnie Brae--as seen in a long-ago post of ER's: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1917

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3...houseat836.jpg


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