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C. Jun 6, 2017 7:27 PM


Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 7826192)
I'm sure places like Garden State Plaza and Mall at Short Hills will be fine. If they aren't fine, then that's OK too, that's capitalism.

Thanks Crawford, I could not agree more. I'm personally skeptical American Dream will be a success, but as you said, capitalism will determine the outcome here.

C. Jun 6, 2017 10:27 PM

A little off topic, but the World Trade Center Transit Hub Mall seemed like they were really targeting the wrong market. This article today is timely. IF built, I think American Dream will do a much better job than the WTC mall since they are not ignorant of their market, but I still think it's a tough environment for retail in general. The entertainment options may be the only saving grace, IF built.


any storefronts are covered over with wrappers directing shoppers out of the underground portion of the mall and up to the Eataly market on the third floor of Silverstein Properties’ 4 World Trade Center. And as Westfield works alongside Silverstein on the second, 75,000-square-foot Phase 2 in the base of 3 World Trade Center – expected to be completed in 2018 or 2019 – the Australian-based mall REIT is rushing to get delayed stores open and is trying to correct the perception of the project as a transit hub and a retail afterthought.
Ugh! That's because it IS a transit hub.

C. Jun 6, 2017 10:37 PM


eleven=11 Jul 2, 2017 8:42 AM


Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 7824817)
The bond offering was completed, and this project is now fully financed, BTW. 75% leased.

Any news or stuff check out the wiki/maps/google/map
the cranes are busy doing stuff?

chris08876 Jul 2, 2017 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 7852445)
Any news or stuff check out the wiki/maps/google/map
the cranes are busy doing stuff?

I drove by this on 6/27, and the cranes are still up. There is activity. You can also see a small Ferris wheel and an amusement park to the left of the skiing ramp. This complex is massive.

Barbarossa Jul 2, 2017 12:04 PM

How on earth can they find a billion dollars for this thing but not for NJ Transit?

chris08876 Jul 2, 2017 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Barbarossa (Post 7852480)
How on earth can they find a billion dollars for this thing but not for NJ Transit?

Christie aka fat POS has really limited our transit expansion. The sooner he goes away, the better.

Cuomo is at least a tad bit better, though somewhat part of the problem. A lot of transit issues stem from political or bureaucratic bs. Both on the NJ and NY side. But Christie is the worse. I wish nothing but bad luck for him. He is what is wrong with politicians. A fraud, and a traitor to NJ. HE HAD a chance when elected to get things right, but went the route of a typical GOP politician. Hence my dislike of him.

NJ is in the class of superior and elite states, and thus, it requires superior politicians who care about the state to run it. The idea that our transit is lacking because of bureaucratic nonsense should not be the case.

mrnyc Jul 6, 2017 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 7852445)
Any news or stuff check out the wiki/maps/google/map
the cranes are busy doing stuff?

here ya go:

Crawford Jul 7, 2017 6:18 AM


Originally Posted by Barbarossa (Post 7852480)
How on earth can they find a billion dollars for this thing but not for NJ Transit?

Chris Christie, the worst, least popular governor in America.

He rejected $6 billion in federal funding for a new Hudson rail tunnel (because he was running for President and wanted to show his conservative, anti-rail 'credentials" to middle America) and put billions into subsidizing casinos (who subsidizes casinos?!), including one that was only open for six months and now sits abandoned.

Christie is basically Trump, but a Governor. A loud-mouthed, incompetent liar who makes incredibly horrible, uninformed policy decisions. His rejection of the Hudson rail tunnel basically set back NJ 20 years, and cost the state massive wealth.

I mean, when your state sits directly across the river from the largest, highest paying central business district on the planet, ya think it's a good idea to ensure residents can actually access these jobs? One would think...

chris08876 Jul 8, 2017 2:21 AM


Its a sacrilege. But good and bad news. The bad news is that the costs have skyrocketed, but the good news is that the tunnel project is gaining momentum in actually happening and the day Christie leaves is approaching. Sadly, the federal funding will probally not cover the 11-13+ billion dollar cost. It will need to be much more than 6 billion.

eleven=11 Jul 8, 2017 5:04 AM


Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 7800110)

HELLO chris08876 nice stuff
so the cranes in the satellite photo are the SAME as your photo
cranes not working???

chris08876 Jul 8, 2017 1:59 PM


Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 7858632)
HELLO chris08876 nice stuff
so the cranes in the satellite photo are the SAME as your photo
cranes not working???

The map update was in 2017 (google satellite aerials), so yes. Cranes are really visible from the Turnpike. You'd almost think this mega mall is complete. Looks complete in person at least from the outside. I'd imagine a bulk of the work is going on in the interior along with finishing up the parking lots.

chris08876 Jul 10, 2017 11:31 PM

Pic by me. Taken today, 7/10/17 of the American Dream complex (mall)

From observation, looks like work is occurring on the parking decks. Call this update a hit-and-run photo.

BBMW Jul 11, 2017 5:18 AM

So they keep building a giant new mall, as the business model behind malls implodes.

chris08876 Jul 29, 2017 12:12 AM

The mall's future rises in the Meadowlands: It's about entertainment


EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — With a quarter of malls in the United States predicted to close within five years, Canadian developer Triple Five Group is building a giant anti-mall in North Jersey, just outside Manhattan.

The much-delayed $5 billion complex, modestly called American Dream, will resemble something straight out of a Walt Disney movie: a jumbo-sized hybrid between a shopping center and amusement park that some see as a model for what top malls are becoming.

“The future of malls is that they will have to offer shopping experiences you can’t get anywhere else in the form of food and beverage, unique entertainment opportunities, and exclusive stores,” said JLL’s James Cook, director of retail research for the Americas. “You certainly need something” unique.

American Dream meets all the criteria, even if it’s on its third builder and has endured multiple setbacks over more than a decade.

“It will have less retail space than [the nation’s largest] Mall of America and 60 percent more in entertainment offerings,” said Debbie Patire, Triple Five’s senior vice president of marketing. “But it really isn’t about size these days. It is about the customer experience and having the right mix of components, flagship and new-to-market retail, combined with best-in-class entertainment, attractions, and restaurants.”

Phase 1 of American Dream was expected to open next summer. Now set for March 2019, it is rising beside MetLife Stadium, where the National Football League’s Giants and Jets play. It will encompass three million square feet, with half devoted to 13 attractions, including a DreamWorks Waterpark featuring elements of “Shrek’s Soggy Swamp,” a Nickelodeon Universe theme park, and a 16-story Big Snow America Indoor Ski Hill.

Should that bore you, there also will be a 1,350-seat live-performance Cirque Du Soleil theater, a Sea Life Aquarium, a Legoland Discovery Center, an 18-hole miniature golf course, an indoor NHL-sized ice rink, an observation wheel resembling the giant London Eye Ferris wheel, and dine-in cinemas with Cinemex X4D, which provides rain, snow, and scents linked to on-screen action.

But wait – for shoppers, there’s Saks Fifth Avenue, Hermes, Microsoft, Lululemon, Old Navy, and Victoria’s Secret as well as fast fashion retailers H&M, Zara, and Primark, among 450 stores, specialty shops, and restaurants. Children’s activity retailer KidZania committed to take 80,000 square feet.

“It should become the preeminent tourist attraction, not just in New York, but in all of North America,” gushed Don Ghermezian, whose family controls Triple Five.

aquablue Oct 3, 2017 2:20 AM

I think this mall is actually nice looking inside if those renders come to fruition. Not often do I say that about an American mall. Usually the nicest malls are in the newer areas of the world (Singapore and Dubai have the best malls and USA can't come close), but this mall is up there. I really hope that retail works out here too, because although people don't shop outside much anymore the future will be a duller place with no malls or street shopping (due to amazon and friends - shame on them).

chris08876 Feb 15, 2018 11:58 PM

Pic by me. Taken today.

They are doing a lot of work on the parking garages. They are huge. Given the nature of the shot, I couldn't aim for a panorama. This is what they call whip your phone, while looking straight, and hope you capture something.

chris08876 May 9, 2018 10:28 PM

I drove by this today on the turnpike. A lot of activity. More cranes than usual, and a lot of workers. Took a shot while in transit, but its something at least. Will upload it soon.

chris08876 May 9, 2018 10:38 PM

Pics by me. Taken today of the Meadowlands mall u/c in NJ. (American Dream)

deepen915 May 12, 2018 3:09 AM

March 2019 opening!

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