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NYguy May 21, 2009 2:06 PM

morrongiello (May 20)

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pattali May 27, 2009 12:50 PM

At 8h30 Massive concrete pouring at North pool, 5 Quadrozi trucks and concrete pump are clearly visible ...

talltowers08 May 27, 2009 8:32 PM

yeah i see it aswell loads of trcuks lined up :)

NYguy May 27, 2009 11:43 PM

Update from morrongiello (May 27)

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NYguy Jun 2, 2009 12:35 AM

Update from morrongiello

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NYguy Jun 2, 2009 11:01 PM

paz.ca

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NYguy Jun 3, 2009 12:13 AM

http://www.wtc.com/news/pas-playing-...e-for-hub-fund

PA'S Playing Shell Game for Hub Fund

May 29, 2009
Daily News


The Port Authority is playing three-card monte at Ground Zero.

Scrounging for a way to pay for the ballooning costs of its winged Transportation Hub, the agency yesterday said it would redirect $616 million from two key projects under the World Trade Center site to the Hub.

The PA is grabbing $546 million in federal dollars from the Vehicular Security Center, a subterranean screening complex for buses and trucks, and $70 million from the rebuilding of the No. 1 subway line's Cortlandt St. station.

Federal grant money originally intended for the subway and screening complex - a centerpiece of security operations - will instead help the agency fill a cash shortfall in its multibillion dollar, Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH mega-terminal.

The shell game surfaced when the PA board voted yesterday to shift Federal Transit Administration funds to the Hub.

Despite the accounting gimmick, the agency said it remained committed to funding both the security center and the subway projects from its own resources.

The sleight-of-hand took place after the Daily News last week revealed there wasn't enough money to pay for the Hub - which is near-certain to bust its $3.2 billion budget and blow its June 2014, opening date.

With Hub-related infrastructure costs added in, the tab is 90% certain to top $4.4 billion, according to a December 2008 FTA consultant's report.

"There have been substantial, significant and important changes in how the PA manages the project since then," PA Executive Director Chris Ward countered.

Noting that steel and commodity prices have dropped in recent months to reduce construction costs, Ward said he was confident the PA would meet the $3.2 billion estimate.

U.S. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, (D-Manhattan), whose district includes Ground Zero and who plays a key role in transportation funding, was doubtful.

"I think the PATH station is a huge boondoggle," Nadler told The News. "The cavernous empty space, twice the size of Grand Central, is a gross waste of money in my opinion."

hunser Jun 3, 2009 4:57 PM

since i have moved to nyc i only hear bad news about the PA. :rolleyes:

NYguy Jun 3, 2009 9:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunser (Post 4285376)
since i have moved to nyc i only hear bad news about the PA. :rolleyes:

Get used to it. The MTA, the PA, the City, the State, its mostly bad news...

hunser Jun 4, 2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 4285814)
Get used to it. The MTA, the PA, the City, the State, its mostly bad news...

lol thanks, good to know.

NYguy Jun 11, 2009 12:37 PM

http://curbed.com/archives/2009/06/1...renderings.php

First Look at Underground 9/11 Memorial Hall Renderings

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Wednesday, June 10, 2009, by Joey

One part of the tangled World Trade Center mess that appears to be on track is the National September 11 Memorial & Museum. The slightly downsized design celebrated a milestone in April, when over half of its structural steel was installed. Now, David Dunlap reports on City Room that museum officials are reaching out to victims' families to spellcheck names and contribute mementos. They've also prepped some preliminary renderings of the memorial exhibition hall, deep underground the south pool that commemorates where one of the Twin Towers once stood. Examples and details in the gallery above.

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There will be three-minute audio/visual presentations on individual victims.

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A 12-foot-hight frieze will show the portraits of 2,982 victims,
which includes those who died in the 1993 and 2001 attacks on the WTC,
the 9/11 Pentagon attack and all passengers on the four hijacked 9/11 planes.

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Touchscreen displays will allow visitors to scroll through victims' profiles.

NYguy Jun 16, 2009 6:43 AM

morrongiello (June 15)

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NYguy Jun 19, 2009 1:29 PM

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06192009...ute_175074.htm

Fitting Tribute


Relatives of 9/11 victims and first responders will sign steel beams that will be used to build the National September 11 Memorial & Museum at Ground Zero.

The signings of the 37-foot-long beams is scheduled to take place in Washington on July 3 -- and the public is invited to add their John Hancocks on that day and during the Fourth of July celebration.

The beams have been signed by people in 27 states since 2007.


The museum, expected to open in 2011, will honor the nearly 3,000 people killed in the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania.

It also will honor the memory of six people killed by a bomb detonated in a garage under the World Trade Center in 1993.

NYguy Jun 29, 2009 9:57 PM

Rohit K

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Dac150 Jun 29, 2009 11:20 PM

Progress is being made on pretty much all aspects of the site, as seen from the above shot. Hopefully Tower 2 and Tower 3 can jump on the wagon as well in the not so distant future.

NYguy Jul 2, 2009 5:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dac150 (Post 4332733)
Progress is being made on pretty much all aspects of the site, as seen from the above shot. Hopefully Tower 2 and Tower 3 can jump on the wagon as well in the not so distant future.

Currently the only two stars missing from the show.

pattali Jul 3, 2009 1:33 PM

Looking at http://mathias.attali.free.fr/bldg/GZ.JPG

It seems that more steel is being assembled to finish North pool (SW corner of northern pool), progress !!!

NYguy Jul 6, 2009 9:23 PM

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07062009...ose_177822.htm

OBSCENELY GRANDIOSE
A PATH STATION LARGER THAN GRAND CENTRAL?


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July 6, 2009

EVERYONE knows the Port Authority's planned World Trade Center Transportation Hub is huge. The PA celebrates the fact, boasting on its Web site that the Hub "is comparable in size to Grand Central Station."

We'll forgive the PA for not knowing it's Grand Central Terminal. But the agency should admit that the Hub's most visible public space -- the one beneath the famous, steel-and-glass "wings" designed by architect Santiago Calatrava -- is actually, and absurdly, much bigger than Grand Central's main hall, as the drawing on the right shows.

This, even though the Hub will serve vastly fewer users than Grand Central.

The PA project is obscenely grandiose -- an elephantine edifice that likely can't be built even for its (already way-over-budget) $3.2 billion price tag. It might never be completed at all -- yet the complexities arising from its vast scale bedevil everything around it at Ground Zero.

Recent news articles have predicted the cost could top $4 billion. The PA naturally said that was ridiculous -- but how would it know? It hasn't yet even bid out the job's largest components.

Yet, the PA seems prepared to pay whatever it takes to satisfy Calatrava. Why? Washington is footing some of the bill for the Hub, but not all -- and the feds' dough could be reallocated to other, worthier transit-related projects downtown.

The Hub is an unconscionable waste of precious Ground Zero earth, money and energy. For starters, it's still basically just a new PATH terminal, serving a relative handful of commuters. Again, the drawing helps make the point.

A precise parallel with Grand Central's main hall is impossible, since the two rooms are different shapes. Grand Central is rectilinear while the Hub is ovoid, with a floor that tapers at both ends and walls that taper as they rise to the top.

But their respective dimensions give you the picture. Grand Central's main hall is about 275 feet long, 120 feet wide.

Meanwhile, the Oculus -- the Hub's main public space, officially called the Transit Hall -- is 350 feet long and 145 feet wide at floor level, which is two levels below the street. It tapers to a "mere" 320 feet long by 100 feet wide when it reaches street level.

At its tallest point, the Oculus is 160 feet tall from the floor to the skylight roof. Grand Central is 125 feet high at its apex.

(And the Oculus represents only about half of the Hub -- there's also an endless, subterranean "PATH Hall" to the west of it that New Jersey riders must traverse to reach their trains.)

All that floor space and volume -- for what?

Grand Central's main-hall floor is traversed by 700,000 people a day, Metro North says. Downtown, the temporary PATH station handles 40,000 riders a day.

Of course, the PA insists that many more will use the completed Hub than today's PATH station. The estimate on its Web site is for 200,000 commuters plus 250,000 "pedestrians" daily. Those estimates, even if true, still pale compared with Grand Central's traffic.

And the PA estimates seem fanciful at best. They assume the Hub will be used by hordes of subway riders making connections from the No. 1 line and from the Fulton Street/Nassau Street station one block east, and shoppers at below-ground stores situated along the sides of the Oculus and the PATH Hall.

Yet the stores seem too awkwardly positioned to draw much of a crowd. They'd make a lot more sense on the otherwise empty, 350-foot long Transit Hall floor -- but try telling that to Calatrava.

And, while 275,000 people a day use the Fulton/Nassau subway station, how likely is it that the Hub will serve as a grand passageway for them? That depends on connecting the Hub to the planned Fulton Street Transit Center -- which is hundreds of millions of dollars over budget and at least six years behind its original scheduled opening.

Indeed, it's hard to see how the all-but-bankrupt MTA can possibly finish the Fulton Street boondoggle. Its recent promise that a planned June 2014 opening is "signed in blood" is ridiculous.

And, even if the Fulton job miraculously is completed, why would subway riders use the underground passageways leading to the Hub except to stay out of the rain?

All in all, the World Trade Center Transportation Hub makes no sense as a transportation hub. Its gargantuan dimensions suggest that the PA regards it as something more -- namely, as the authority's very own 9/11 memorial, one every bit as disproportionate to Ground Zero's size and to its own functional role as is the official, 7-acre memorial itself.

NYCLuver Jul 6, 2009 10:48 PM

Looks like the Transit Hub won't be unique anymore. Check out this tennis stadium they are building in Valencia, Spain. Pretty similar I'd say.

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philvia Jul 6, 2009 11:19 PM

that sucks^

this looks like a bone yard!
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