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iheartthed Sep 23, 2019 8:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gantz (Post 8695956)
Well I guess that is the deal breaker for human civilization. We are all doomed. Time to build my climate change bunker and stock up on MREs!

Extinction by mosquito isn't even the worst case scenario. :)

bilbao58 Sep 23, 2019 8:48 PM

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Sun Belt Sep 23, 2019 8:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bilbao58 (Post 8695968)
This is a joke, right?

No it's not a joke. The point of the post is that shorelines change, always have, always will and there's nothing we can do to preserve the shoreline of the year 2000 forever and ever and ever.

Now whether the shoreline was 100 miles away or 225, that's not the point. The ancient shoreline is what we call the continental shelf and that shoreline really wasn't that long ago -- it was a rapid, intense warm up that resulted in sea level rise in the order of hundreds of feet.

Gantz Sep 23, 2019 8:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pj3000 (Post 8695947)
Yeah, the doomsday stuff is silly. And it distracts from looking at the real issues through a measured lens to determine best paths forward.

We actually should be very optimistic about the predictions. Afterall, the worst case scenario would've been a rapid global cooling/next ice age. A 20 mile wall of ice descending from the poles would've been a much harder problem to deal with. Perhaps not human extinction (humans already survived previous ice ages), but a possible big population or even civilizational collapse. This global climate change phenomenon ensures that we will be fine for a solid 100+ years more.

Obadno Sep 23, 2019 8:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bilbao58 (Post 8695968)
This is a joke, right?

Where Houston is today was much further inland, but also much of the northern latitudes were under miles of ice

Sun Belt Sep 23, 2019 9:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pj3000 (Post 8695935)
I get what you're saying, but we're not seeing insect migration, in the case of emerging viruses in certain areas, to be very slow right now. The Mediterranean as an example. And outbreaks are not a slow process at all unfortunately. I'm not an alarmist by any means, however the strong potential for infectious disease aspect of a warming planet is something that is often not considered.

RE: Outbreaks

Airplanes and the modern world are the reason why a pandemic will likely happen again.

Gantz Sep 23, 2019 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 8695976)
Where Houston is today was much further inland, but also much of the northern latitudes were under miles of ice

For ~99% of the time over the past 2 million years, New York was under 2 miles of ice.

mhays Sep 23, 2019 9:05 PM

I like this reasoning. Along the same lines...what's wrong with war, since people have always died?

Obadno Sep 23, 2019 9:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mhays (Post 8695990)
I like this reasoning. Along the same lines...what's wrong with war, since people have always died?

True, peace is an anomaly, Mans natural state is war.

https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aMZboPR_700b.jpg

Obadno Sep 23, 2019 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gantz (Post 8695985)
For ~99% of the time over the past 2 million years, New York was under 2 miles of ice.

Yes we are in the inter-glacial of a very old ice age.

Sun Belt Sep 23, 2019 9:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mhays (Post 8695990)
I like this reasoning. Along the same lines...what's wrong with war, since people have always died?

You complain, then offer no solutions -- because there are no solutions given the fact that the climate has rapidly changed long before mankind was heating soup on a gas stove.

pj3000 Sep 23, 2019 9:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Belt (Post 8695982)
RE: Outbreaks

Airplanes and the modern world are the reason why a pandemic will likely happen again.

Yes, most likely. That’s the part that can potentially be exacerbated by emerging diseases... since we’re already seeing some unexpected outbreaks in developed Mediterranean and middle eastern nations, where there’s obviously lots of travel to and from Europe and the US.

jtown,man Sep 23, 2019 9:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Belt (Post 8695974)
No it's not a joke. The point of the post is that shorelines change, always have, always will and there's nothing we can do to preserve the shoreline of the year 2000 forever and ever and ever.

Now whether the shoreline was 100 miles away or 225, that's not the point. The ancient shoreline is what we call the continental shelf and that shoreline really wasn't that long ago -- it was a rapid, intense warm up that resulted in sea level rise in the order of hundreds of feet.

It seems some people think the world was created(;)) as it currently is and it must always remain that way.

Hell, even in East Arkansas we used to be under the ocean...

Sun Belt Sep 23, 2019 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jtown,man (Post 8696008)
It seems some people think the world was created(;)) as it currently is and it must always remain that way.

Hell, even in East Arkansas we used to be under the ocean...

Just 20,000 years ago, most of the entire state of Utah was under water. The Great Salt Lake used to be incredibly massive.

But, Climate Change dried it all up.

--I'm going to go block traffic in SLC and demand for them to restore these wetlands, now!

E] One good thing about Climate Change is that Area 51 is now on a dry lake bed. Had the Climate not Changed, where would we store the recovered UFOs and dead Alien bodies?

JManc Sep 23, 2019 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gantz (Post 8695975)
We actually should be very optimistic about the predictions. Afterall, the worst case scenario would've been a rapid global cooling/next ice age. A 20 mile wall of ice descending from the poles would've been a much harder problem to deal with. Perhaps not human extinction (humans already survived previous ice ages), but a possible big population or even civilizational collapse. This global climate change phenomenon ensures that we will be fine for a solid 100+ years more.

Humans during previous Ice Ages and major climatic events were much hardier. I suspect a future Ice Age would thin the modern human population quite drastically.

Obadno Sep 23, 2019 9:26 PM

Never any love for Lake Missoula

https://radicalbotany.files.wordpres...e-missoula.jpg

Obadno Sep 23, 2019 9:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 8696015)
Humans during previous Ice Ages and major climatic events were much hardier. I suspect a future Ice Age would thin the modern human population quite drastically.

I'd argue that a global cooling trend would be much more dire than a warming trend, overall warming weather tends to be better for humans and civilization, cooling trends typically cause mass starvation and civilization collapse.

Just based on the last couple times it's happened

Sun Belt Sep 23, 2019 9:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 8696016)

The evidence for a flood of biblical proportions has been steadily gaining ground. Rapid melt, rapid climatic change.

iheartthed Sep 23, 2019 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Belt (Post 8695982)
RE: Outbreaks

Airplanes and the modern world are the reason why a pandemic will likely happen again.

In addition to airplanes being huge sources of greenhouse gases, maybe human mobility will also add to it. But we've got plenty of mosquitos here in North America to spread disease. There were no planes to blame back in the Dark Ages, but plenty of mosquitos, ticks, and rats.

Actually, civilization/urbanization is the easiest way to spread disease. We're more sanitary than we used to be, but we still constantly get each other sick. Then there are other potential sources of mass disease, like the water supply. The worst case scenarios could be really bad...

Sun Belt Sep 23, 2019 9:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 8696018)
I'd argue that a global cooling trend would be much more dire than a warming trend, overall warming weather tends to be better for humans and civilization, cooling trends typically cause mass starvation and civilization collapse.

Just based on the last couple times it's happened

Heck yeah. The evidence is out there as well. When we have cold hiccups, the world descends into starvation and chaos. Mankind has been around for a long time, yet it was only in a warm period that we flourished -- why is that?


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