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Skyguy_7 Apr 20, 2016 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by UrbanLibertine (Post 7414442)
I'm glad this information finally broke. It was like torture wanting to spill the beans when everyone was complaining about how the towers might not go up and then with the soil testing speculation.

In the future, could you please not hold this kind of juicy secret hostage? The entire purpose of this website is to anonymously share development information amongst each other! Draw it on a napkin for all we care!

chris11 Apr 20, 2016 11:51 PM

Great news though I always wanted the South Tower to be built first as originally planned because if the East Tower (phase 3) happened to get cancelled then a park or river plaza at that east end of lot would look fine, but if the South Tower gets axed thats a terrible gap in the middle of that prestigious lot. Not that they wouldn't get it developed eventually...

ardecila Apr 21, 2016 6:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7414541)
When it's a condo building, you really can't flip it for a profit like a rental.

No, you make your profit selling every single unit, one at a time.

I don't think they're doing this looking to make a crazy profit by flipping the building. The downtown rental market is getting very saturated with new construction and rent growth will slow down or even reverse. That doesn't do much for your valuation.

The only reason they're doing rental is so that they don't create a whole new nest of NIMBYs before the South Tower is approved. After that, look for them to do a condo conversion on East Tower and/or West Tower.

Pilton Apr 21, 2016 3:44 PM

^ Agreed. Building more rental to convert later.

I hope that WPE turns out to be as pretty as WPW.

Building WPE before building WPS will probably create construction problems for WPS. Nothing insurmountable. But accessfor construction and space to store building materials might be tight.

Kumdogmillionaire Apr 21, 2016 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilton (Post 7415795)
^ Agreed. Building more rental to convert later.

I hope that WPE turns out to be as pretty as WPW.

Building WPE before building WPS will probably create construction problems for WPS. Nothing insurmountable. But accessfor construction and space to store building materials might be tight.

As someone with little knowledge on the construction process, can you explain why building the east building first will lead to problems for the south tower?

BVictor1 May 5, 2016 2:11 AM

So, a little birdie told me this evening that the developers/architects are looking to go taller and thinner for the east tower :cheers:

I don't have any specific height, but like I've mentioned before, there will more than likely be another community meeting and they'll have to go back before the plan commission.

Seeing as they're looking at residential, they don't need the bulky floor plates depicted in previous placeholder iterations.

munchymunch May 5, 2016 2:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7431633)
So, a little birdie told me this evening that the developers/architects are looking to go taller and thinner for the east tower :cheers:

I don't have any specific height, but like I've mentioned before, there will more than likely be another community meeting and they'll have to go back before the plan commission.

Seeing as they're looking at residential, they don't need the bulky floor plates depicted in previous placeholder iterations.

So we are looking at something in the 800 foot range? Also how would this effect the south tower? Thanks for the news Victor. :cheers:

BVictor1 May 5, 2016 2:40 AM

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Originally Posted by munchymunch (Post 7431653)
So we are looking at something in the 800 foot range? Also how would this effect the south tower? Thanks for the news Victor. :cheers:

As mentioned, I have no idea of the 'new' height. The bulk/square footage might me the same as before, just thinned and stretched.

Steely Dan May 5, 2016 5:21 AM

^ intriguing. Thinner & taller sounds good to me.

nomarandlee May 5, 2016 5:25 AM

Going thinner and taller obviously could also be a benefit in for units in the eventual South Tower that face east. The original East Tower did look a little hefty. Sounds like a win-win all around. Hopefully we can maybe get this baby up to between 850-900 feet.

BrandonJXN May 5, 2016 10:35 AM

In an ideal world, I imagine Wolf Point East will be around 925 feet tall, and Wolf Point South will be around 1,100 feet tall. Which would suit anyone just fine.

The Lurker May 5, 2016 1:34 PM

No!!! Goddamn it NO!!! Stop the speculation at once! Not even 12 hours has passed and already three people are throwing numbers around. Bvic's post clearly stated that no height figure was yet available.

I renew my call for a speculation thread to be opened so the mods can throw all speculative posts into a circle jerk of supertall fanboys.

Steely Dan May 5, 2016 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lurker (Post 7431995)
No!!! Goddamn it NO!!! Stop the speculation at once! Not even 12 hours has passed and already three people are throwing numbers around. Bvic's post clearly stated that no height figure was yet available.

I renew my call for a speculation thread to be opened so the mods can throw all speculative posts into a circle jerk of supertall fanboys.

calm down.

if people want to speculate about what "taller & thinner" might mean for the east tower, then that's perfectly acceptable discussion for this thread.

UPChicago May 5, 2016 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lurker (Post 7431995)
No!!! Goddamn it NO!!! Stop the speculation at once! Not even 12 hours has passed and already three people are throwing numbers around. Bvic's post clearly stated that no height figure was yet available.

I renew my call for a speculation thread to be opened so the mods can throw all speculative posts into a circle jerk of supertall fanboys.

:sly: maybe you should continue to lurk..... geez

The Lurker May 5, 2016 2:19 PM

Ok point taken. But its also possible that the developers intend to build taller and thinner than the west tower and not necessarily taller than the current place holder.

pilsenarch May 5, 2016 2:22 PM

^huh, lurker... interesting speculation... :P

go go white sox May 5, 2016 2:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lurker (Post 7432038)
Ok point taken. But its also possible that the developers intend to build taller and thinner than the west tower and not necessarily taller than the current place holder.

I doubt that because the East tower was always intended to be taller then the west tower so they have to be talking about the current East tower as proposed. Furthermore, when they said thinner again this must be in reference to the massive East tower. I mean otherwise it wouldn't make sense how much more thinner can you get than the west tower.

Kumdogmillionaire May 5, 2016 4:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lurker (Post 7431995)
No!!! Goddamn it NO!!! Stop the speculation at once! Not even 12 hours has passed and already three people are throwing numbers around. Bvic's post clearly stated that no height figure was yet available.

I renew my call for a speculation thread to be opened so the mods can throw all speculative posts into a circle jerk of supertall fanboys.

I was waiting for this to become a sarcastic comment and it never came. I hope the buildings both end up being over 20 miles tall :)

BVictor1 May 10, 2016 7:57 PM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...06-column.html

Apartment tower is a promising start for Wolf Point development

Blair Kamin
Contact Reporter
Cityscapes

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Compared to sexy skyscrapers for the ultrarich and major corporations, rental apartment towers rarely rate a second look. Budgets and aesthetic aspirations tend to be low. The outcome profits developers but does little to enrich the urban prospect.

So when the news broke four years ago that an apartment high-rise would be built at one of the most prominent sites on the Chicago River — Wolf Point, the triangular downtown plot where the river's north, south and main branches converge — there was reason for concern. The developers were proposing a slender, glass-sheathed tower that promised to be several cuts above the hulking concrete high-rises that blight River North, but I, for one, wondered whether the result would match the level of quality suggested by the renderings.

The answer, for the most part, is yes.

The new Wolf Point West, a 485-foot high-rise designed by Chicago's bKL Architecture, marks a solid beginning for the trio of skyscrapers planned for this high-profile, historic site. The new tower has no eye-grabbing forms, like the swooping curves of River Point, an office building under construction on the river's west bank. But what it lacks in architectural pyrotechnics it makes up for in sound site planning and skillful design.


emathias May 11, 2016 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by harryc (Post 7414560)
Lower Orelans to Kinzie is how I would envision residents getting their cars in and out.

That might end up being a monumental cluster**** seeing how the intersection of Kinzie and Lower Orleans is already a congestion point even with very little traffic crossing N/S. If the City had shown some foresight, there would be a bridge extending the Mart Drive (or whatever it's called) west to Halsted over the Metra tracks before there were a bunch of condos along that route that would scream bloody murder if such a thing were proposed today. I also think that a long-term plan would have included extending the upper/lower portion of Canal all the way north to Kinzie, but the ship for that sailed at least 30 years ago I think (and probably more like 45 years ago).


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