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Prestige Worldwide Mar 9, 2023 5:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 9886480)
While we are in that neighborhood, I've been wondering what's the story on the closed auto body shop at 3rd Ave and Van Buren. It was the Firestone next to the AAMCO.

An LLC owned by Mark A Davis bought it a few years ago. He has been involved in some medium sized projects in the past according to his website.

Goodwill is slated to open a location at the old Firestone Building.

azsunsurfer Mar 9, 2023 3:41 PM

Anyone have any updated pics of the new developments going up on 7th St (i.e. site where the bikini beans was)?

ASU Diablo Mar 9, 2023 3:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prestige Worldwide (Post 9887052)
Goodwill is slated to open a location at the old Firestone Building.

Unreal if true. I thought we dodged the Goodwill bullet when it had been rumored to be taking over DeSoto.

CrestedSaguaro Mar 9, 2023 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo (Post 9887276)
Unreal if true. I thought we dodged the Goodwill bullet when it had been rumored to be taking over DeSoto.

:yeahthat:

ASU Diablo Mar 11, 2023 4:53 PM

Anyone making the DVC meeting today? Saw on the agenda True North Studios is supposed to provide an update on their projects

Warren Peace Mar 11, 2023 9:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prestige Worldwide (Post 9887052)
Goodwill is slated to open a location at the old Firestone Building.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/19b5...itemid=5394064

IndyAZ Mar 13, 2023 2:59 PM

X PHX II camera angle was updated so you can now see the entire X PHX II project AND the entire Central Station project!

https://app.oxblue.com/cameras/21a16...co/xphoenixph2

PHX31 Mar 13, 2023 6:57 PM

/\ Very nice view. Would love it if Astra could take up the right side of the picture.

So does have a current crane count downtown? Considering Realm will have 2, or maybe already does at this point, are we at 7?

1. X PHX II
2. Central Station 1
3. Central Station 2
4. Realm 1
5. Realm 2
6. Sayia
7. Palmtower

CrestedSaguaro Mar 13, 2023 7:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 9890544)
/\ Very nice view. Would love it if Astra could take up the right side of the picture.

So does have a current crane count downtown? Considering Realm will have 2, or maybe already does at this point, are we at 7?

1. X PHX II
2. Central Station 1
3. Central Station 2
4. Realm 1
5. Realm 2
6. Sayia
7. Palmtower

Technically at 8 if you count Union Phase 2.

Cleve Mar 13, 2023 9:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 9890544)
/\ Very nice view. Would love it if Astra could take up the right side of the picture.

So does have a current crane count downtown? Considering Realm will have 2, or maybe already does at this point, are we at 7?

1. X PHX II
2. Central Station 1
3. Central Station 2
4. Realm 1
5. Realm 2
6. Sayia
7. Palmtower


What's the hold up on X Roosevelt?? Fence wrap and some equipment on site...

IndyAZ Mar 14, 2023 1:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleve (Post 9890685)
What's the hold up on X Roosevelt?? Fence wrap and some equipment on site...

Waiting on APS to underground the overhead power lines in the alley first.

MMDelon Mar 15, 2023 1:25 AM

We have four projects currently above 300’. Hopefully this trend continues for future projects.

hvalenz1 Mar 15, 2023 3:25 AM

Equipment is no longer there :/

CrestedSaguaro Mar 15, 2023 3:36 PM

They are shooting for a mid-May groundbreaking for X Roosevelt. Of course that depends upon APS burying the power lines as IndyAZ pointed out.

CrestedSaguaro Mar 16, 2023 12:08 AM

901 N. Central Ave
 
Have some updated stuff for 901 N. Central (where the former car repair shop is on the NE corner of Central and Garfield).

Height is 339' @30 stories, 344 units and 142 parking spots. Looks like the plan is to still save some of the existing building.


View all docs in my Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...usp=share_link

https://i.imgur.com/opsO1zV.png


https://i.imgur.com/r2Vfmj4.png


https://i.imgur.com/YGlBS4S.png

Mrbuild Mar 16, 2023 2:44 AM

Layton construction twitter
 
https://mobile.twitter.com/LaytonCon...797632/photo/1

Layton construction twitter

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaytonCon...797632/photo/1

Code5 Mar 16, 2023 4:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9892958)
Have some updated stuff for 901 N. Central (where the former car repair shop is on the NE corner of Central and Garfield).

Height is 339' @30 stories, 344 units and 142 parking spots. Looks like the plan is to still save some of the existing building.


https://i.imgur.com/YGlBS4S.png

I love the different shades of green hue on the North side.
I hope they keep that and it translates over to real life. It adds a little color. Downtown needs more color. I still wish we had more skyline lights like what Stewart has.

Obadno Mar 16, 2023 4:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9892958)
Have some updated stuff for 901 N. Central (where the former car repair shop is on the NE corner of Central and Garfield).

Height is 339' @30 stories, 344 units and 142 parking spots. Looks like the plan is to still save some of the existing building.


View all docs in my Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...usp=share_link

https://i.imgur.com/opsO1zV.png


https://i.imgur.com/r2Vfmj4.png


https://i.imgur.com/YGlBS4S.png

30 Stories on Roosevelt???? :cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

MMDelon Mar 16, 2023 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrbuild (Post 9893078)

There’s also a few more renderings on BKL Architecture’s IG page too.

downtownphxguy12 Mar 16, 2023 6:38 PM

love how the density is moving towards central avenue and points west.

there's another tower going in where old farmers market was, correct?

Diamonddave Mar 16, 2023 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by downtownphxguy12 (Post 9893716)
love how the density is moving towards central avenue and points west.

there's another tower going in where old farmers market was, correct?

Would that be Realm Phoenix?

PyroD Mar 16, 2023 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamonddave (Post 9893729)
Would that be Realm Phoenix?

Realm Phoenix is the tower in the rendering across from the Westward Ho. The one going in the farmer's market lot is Vela Phoenix, in addition to that, there's another one planned across the alley along 1st st.

TJPHXskyscraperfan Mar 17, 2023 5:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PyroD (Post 9894009)
Realm Phoenix is the tower in the rendering across from the Westward Ho. The one going in the farmer's market lot is Vela Phoenix, in addition to that, there's another one planned across the alley along 1st st.

Is there any info on Vela anywhere?

CrestedSaguaro Mar 17, 2023 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan (Post 9894319)
Is there any info on Vela anywhere?

Last discussed on page 1020: https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho....php?p=9814394

Obadno Mar 17, 2023 5:19 PM

I was swinging downtown this morning to get some breakfast (work from home today) and the entire stretch from VanBuren to Roosevelt is a forest of cranes

and we still have more to go! Good times!:cheers:

Stijl Mar 17, 2023 6:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMDelon (Post 9893584)
There’s also a few more renderings on BKL Architecture’s IG page too.

I think the renderings on their Instagram are from 601 N. Central, and the information posted this week is for 901 N. Central (at least I didn't see any 901 renderings on a cursory glance). That won't be confusing at all, hope they have names more distinctive than their addresses!

ASU Diablo Mar 17, 2023 8:20 PM

Developer seeks grant for restoration of historic Phoenix motel
 
Nice to see this moving along...

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...ter-motel.html

Quote:

Atlanta-based EV Hotel Group is seeking a $150,000 grant to help with costs in redeveloping and preserving the former City Center Motel in downtown Phoenix.

The company is planning to build one of its first smart hotels around a portion of the existing motel, which had most recently been used as a Travelodge by Wyndham.

EV Hotel Group initially planned to demolish the entire property but eventually agreed to preserve and incorporate the main historical structure into its new hotel. It also received approval for historic preservation zoning for a portion of the site in November 2022.

TJPHXskyscraperfan Mar 19, 2023 4:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9894560)

Thanks

CrestedSaguaro Mar 20, 2023 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyAZ (Post 9890934)
Waiting on APS to underground the overhead power lines in the alley first.

I was downtown this weekend checking out the Realm construction. The power lines are still up in the alley which and the poles are much bigger and right in the middle of Realm's construction. I take it it's not a requirement to remove the lines first prior to construction? I'm guessing they're not live, but still seems to be a safety issue :shrug:

PHX31 Mar 21, 2023 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9897360)
I was downtown this weekend checking out the Realm construction. The power lines are still up in the alley which and the poles are much bigger and right in the middle of Realm's construction. I take it it's not a requirement to remove the lines first prior to construction? I'm guessing they're not live, but still seems to be a safety issue :shrug:

So Realm is moving ahead with construction with power lines in the alley, but X Roosevelt is held up because of them?

Regarding 901 N. Central, I don't see how they are preserving any of the existing vintage car repair shop building... Maybe that curved portion on the ground floor, which looks nice BTW, is just a 'nod' to the old structure? Or is there some sort of curved roof under the existing older facade makeover of the existing structure that isn't apparent currently?
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4576...7i16384!8i8192

Obadno Mar 21, 2023 4:17 PM

The Repair shop isnt worth saving who cares.

PHX31 Mar 21, 2023 7:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 9897845)
The Repair shop isnt worth saving who cares.

Whether it is or not is beside the point. Ronnie mentioned it looked like some of it was being saved, but I'm not seeing it. Maybe it isn't.

ASU Diablo Mar 22, 2023 9:52 PM

Does anyone have any updates on The Fairmont Phoenix Hotel & Residences? This still moving along?

Diamonddave Mar 22, 2023 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASU Diablo (Post 9899236)
Does anyone have any updates on The Fairmont Phoenix Hotel & Residences? This still moving along?

Great question looks like Fairmont and the Jefferson are stalled. These project will be nice around the arena area if completed.

ASU Diablo Mar 22, 2023 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamonddave (Post 9899291)
Great question looks like Fairmont and the Jefferson are stalled. These project will be nice around the arena area if completed.

Jefferson has been stalled for years. This is dead.

Now that I think about it, we will know soon enough if The Edith is also dead. I was told by the City that The Edith was going to wait until after the Super Bowl was done before they started construction. The reason given sounded like BS and I guess we will know soon if it was.

TJPHXskyscraperfan Mar 22, 2023 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamonddave (Post 9899291)
Great question looks like Fairmont and the Jefferson are stalled. These project will be nice around the arena area if completed.

I was just thinking of The Jefferson the other day when I was walking into Frys by the arena and how that lot needs to be developed soon! I just feel like there has to be a market for downtown condos at this point. With the amount of apartments how could there not? Even if the economy is slowing down, the way the Suns should be with new ownership over the coming years, that would be a prime spot for lots of people to want to live!

MMDelon Mar 23, 2023 2:44 PM

I will give Matt Ishbia a couple years to get his feet under him but I feel pretty confident he would be willing to work with investors or the city to bring some sort of development by the stadium.

TJPHXskyscraperfan Mar 23, 2023 3:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMDelon (Post 9899777)
I will give Matt Ishbia a couple years to get his feet under him but I feel pretty confident he would be willing to work with investors or the city to bring some sort of development by the stadium.

I mean, he got rich through real estate right? So this should be right up his alley!

MiEncanto Mar 23, 2023 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan (Post 9899343)
I was just thinking of The Jefferson the other day when I was walking into Frys by the arena and how that lot needs to be developed soon! I just feel like there has to be a market for downtown condos at this point. With the amount of apartments how could there not? Even if the economy is slowing down, the way the Suns should be with new ownership over the coming years, that would be a prime spot for lots of people to want to live!

I am told the owner of the lot on the SW corner of Jefferson and 1st St refuses to sell which is really disappointing.

I still maintain downtown Phoenix needs a Mercado style open air marketplace flanked by restaurant/retail. It would be nice if this corner could be activated and sort of blended with the arena courtyard to create a really nice multi-use space with a classic fountain, shade, room for a farmers market, etc. I think you could even partially close off 1st street from madison to jefferson or limit to delivery only. But, alas, I'm a dreamer.

I really believe in property rights but seriously if the city could eminent domain that parking lot I'm not sure anyone would mind.

ASU Diablo Mar 23, 2023 4:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 9899823)
I am told the owner of the lot on the SW corner of Jefferson and 1st St refuses to sell which is really disappointing.

I still maintain downtown Phoenix needs a Mercado style open air marketplace flanked by restaurant/retail. It would be nice if this corner could be activated and sort of blended with the arena courtyard to create a really nice multi-use space with a classic fountain, shade, room for a farmers market, etc. I think you could even partially close off 1st street from madison to jefferson or limit to delivery only. But, alas, I'm a dreamer.

I really believe in property rights but seriously if the city could eminent domain that parking lot I'm not sure anyone would mind.

This is the dummy that wanted to build a parking garage there right? Eminent Domain sounds good right about now :cheers:

Obadno Mar 23, 2023 4:41 PM

The City has plenty of tools to incentivize sale, basically locking the owner up without being able to do anything with the land through aprpovals, permits. zoning etc.

That would probably get him to sell for a good offer.

combusean Mar 23, 2023 4:43 PM

^ This comment is so uninformed it's weaponized. Maybe if it were 1923 and not 2023, sure.

It's utterly ridiciulous to think city staff as stiff, uniminaginative, risk-adverse, and apathetic as Phoenix's would give a shit what one person does with their lot anywhere.

It's probably more like they couldn't get their project to pencil out on the land they have and that shit head parking lot goon John Garretson didn't want to sell because that's all his lizard brain knows anything about.

Obadno Mar 23, 2023 5:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by combusean (Post 9899914)
^ This comment is so uninformed it's weaponized. Maybe if it were 1923 and not 2023, sure.

It's utterly ridiciulous to think city staff as stiff, uniminaginative, risk-adverse, and apathetic as Phoenix's would give a shit what one person does with their lot anywhere.

It's probably more like they couldn't get their project to pencil out on the land they have and that shit head parking lot goon John Garretson didn't want to sell because that's all his lizard brain knows anything about.

OKay so they'll field an eminent domain claim?

muertecaza Mar 23, 2023 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 9899955)
OKay so they'll field an eminent domain claim?

Post-2006 when AZ reacted to the US Supreme Court Kelo decision, generalized "economic development" eminent domain claims are a no-go, so they would have to have a legitimate public use.

Warren Peace Mar 24, 2023 1:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan (Post 9899343)
I was just thinking of The Jefferson the other day when I was walking into Frys by the arena and how that lot needs to be developed soon! I just feel like there has to be a market for downtown condos at this point. With the amount of apartments how could there not? Even if the economy is slowing down, the way the Suns should be with new ownership over the coming years, that would be a prime spot for lots of people to want to live!

I'm definitely in the market for a downtown condo. It sucks that the Summit is the only option for that area.

xymox Mar 25, 2023 5:01 PM

Crane City, AZ
 
Was downtown for a show last night - grabbed this shot from the parking lot on 3rd Ave & Van Buren. Quite impressive being down there - there were even two more cranes to the north that I couldn't get into a single shot.

https://i.imgur.com/wud2ZxRh.jpg

MiEncanto Mar 25, 2023 10:11 PM

CoP opened a new RFP for 2 surface lots on south sides of 1st St & McKinley.

This is good stuff hopefully will replace 2 lots with a nice multiuse towers. I wonder if it’s more likely to be 2 separate jobs or potentially a project on both sides of 1st st.

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MMDelon Mar 27, 2023 3:20 PM

The height restrictions for these two lots looks good. Have a 400’ in this location will be great. Hopefully this RFP does not years to get done.

Obadno Mar 27, 2023 4:42 PM

I was in New Orleans this weekend and a commercial for choice hotels featuring the Cambria hotel downtown was on the tv it and the city looked great!

combusean Mar 28, 2023 5:36 AM

I'm kind of confused at this proposal.

I looked at the assessors' map and it'd have to be a three tower development unless there's the possibility of bridging over the alley like Saiya which seems like a complicated, risky design. On the other hand "All State Homes" which doesn't look like a legitimate high-rise developer is directly to the south on opposing parcels. Oftentimes there's a developer before the RFP but I've never seen a company registered out of a condo to have that kind of experience.

Regardless, I don't think anyone has the capital to pull off a two or three tower project, especially with a 20% affordable/attainable housing requirement--the land isn't *that* valuable, this isn't San Francisco in 2015. Another thing that's slowing projects down is density limitations which is far more problematic than height limits, so the qualified developer would also have to wait for the stupidly complicated text amendments/spot zoning to get approved.

I don't see this going anywhere, really, or it'd take years to do like Central Station.


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