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ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2014 12:10 AM

Thanks for pinpointing the location of this photograph as Angels Point Road ProphetM
and FredH.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/iSACn0.jpg
ebay

-much appreciated. :)
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ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2014 12:21 AM

warrants / ephemera

1926
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...910/Du8bcl.jpg
ebay




also 1926
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/XFT6bf.jpg
ebay

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CityBoyDoug Sep 10, 2014 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6723375)

The text says that ''Ruth is the intelligent one of the two''. How did they know that? :D:koko::D

Retired_in_Texas Sep 10, 2014 3:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6723173)
Yes, Hollywood Blvd. has turned into an endless Dollar Store.

In some cases a Dollar Store might be an improvement. :yes:

If I were a tourist hoping to see anything as history on the WEB and in books might reflect I'd be a bit disappointed to find no Brown Derby, No Schwabs, etc. I would certainly be a little surprised to find my favorite entertainer's star among those in front of the PEP BOYS auto repair and parts store in the 6100 block of Hollywood Blvd.

Of course if I were an entertainer who had been approached about a "Star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, there are locations I simply wouldn't shell out the $15,000 it costs, which a number have refused to do.

ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2014 4:27 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/l7j1XY.jpg
ebay


There are some interesting statistics in this 1928 directory.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/Z1KOn7.jpgebay

31 movie studios in 1928! I'd be hard-pressed to name a third of them.


The seller included two sample pages (below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/frzp6M.jpg

25 companies named ACME!


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/hVCSmr.jpg

There are some intriguing names....

Poochie Pet Cloth Dog

Popocatepetl Roll Music

Poverty Row Bugle

-to name a few.

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Martin Pal Sep 10, 2014 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6723232)
"Gipsy" used to be the preferred British English spelling of "Gypsy", so I guess the two books found online by Martin Pal were originally sold in different markets.

I am guessing you are correct. The publisher is listed:
PHILADELPHIA - LONDON
...so the ones printed in the U.S. were probably GYPSY and in Britain GIPSY.

jg6544 Sep 10, 2014 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6723335)
This photograph of three models admiring "the Stacks' is fairly familiar and has probably appeared on NLA

1955
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/eUSx7Q.jpg
rtc/o_file




but I recently came across this photograph showing the same three models posed near Cahuenga Pass.

1954
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/912/ZWIurc.jpg
RedTide/file

Obviously one of the dates is incorrect, as the models are wearing the same clothing in both photographs.

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Looks to me like all the cars are '54 models or older, so I'd guess the top date is a typo. The pictures look like they were intended for some kind of visual guide to LA. The one of the Stack ought to be titled ("LA Freeways when We could still afford to Landscape and Maintain Them").

Retired_in_Texas Sep 10, 2014 5:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jg6544 (Post 6724187)
Looks to me like all the cars are '54 models or older, so I'd guess the top date is a typo. The pictures look like they were intended for some kind of visual guide to LA. The one of the Stack ought to be titled ("LA Freeways when We could still afford to Landscape and Maintain Them").

The date is accurate. The Tan/goldish colored car is a 1955 Pontiac. Had one of the same model year in White over Green paint scheme.

Martin Pal Sep 10, 2014 5:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retired_in_Texas (Post 6723092)
Thanks for the great screen shot for those of us who remember Hollywood and Vine when it was actually part of a neighborhood where people did normal things. Amazing how the Walk of Fame, radio and TV shows transitioned it into a tourist trap and ultimately into being virtually skid row for a number of years. Regardless of all the attempts to bring the area back, it will never again be as it was in the years before 1960.

Before 1960! That's nearly 55 years ago! You'd be hard-pressed to find any place in the U.S. that would "be as it was in the years before 1960."

Hollywood & Vine and Hollywood has always been a tourist trap. Before 1960 there were far more places in that area where tourists saw radio shows and television programs and live eprformances in nightclbs and movie premieres etc. And people still do normal things there, too.

But "tourist trap" doesn't have to be a negative thing, either.

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6723173)
Yes, Hollywood Blvd. has turned into an endless Dollar Store.

That's stretching the truth of things. The Blvd. is not the shopping mecca it once was and that happened when the populace began moving into the valley and shopping malls began to emerge. There was no need to travel to Hollywood to shop somewhere in particular.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retired_in_Texas (Post 6723949)
In some cases a Dollar Store might be an improvement. :yes:

If I were a tourist hoping to see anything as history on the WEB and in books might reflect I'd be a bit disappointed to find no Brown Derby, No Schwabs, etc. I would certainly be a little surprised to find my favorite entertainer's star among those in front of the PEP BOYS auto repair an parts store in the 6100 block of Hollywood Blvd.

Of course if I were an entertainer who had been approached about a "Star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, there are locations I simply wouldn't shell out the $15,000 it costs, which a number have refused to do.

Like many, I have a fondness for the Hollywood area in the 30's and 40's but tourists can still find places of that era to visit. The Chinese Theatre (with feetprint in cement events) and the Pantages. The El Capitan was restored around 1991 and is a fantastic venue. The Egyptian Theatre has transitioned to the base for the American Cinematheque and you can see vintage movies there all year long. And celebrity visits from those of yesteryear, too.

You can visit Musso & Frank's Restaurant, the Pig & Whistle, Boardner's and Miceli's restaurant. You can have a cocktail at the Frolic Room. There's always the Roosevelt Hotel and the Hollywood Bowl.

On Sunset you can still visit the Florentine Gardens and the Palladium.

And there's still plenty of movie premieres and live performances. Oh, and the Academy Awards. And the Hollywood Christmas parade.

TCM's week long movie extravanganza merges the past with the present and is a huge annual event now.

No, it's never going to be what it WAS like, but there are things to appreciate and celebrate.

By the way, the Walk of Fame doesn't extend past Vine Street, so no one has a star in front of Pep Boys.

I don't know what stars you cite that have refused a star on the Walk of Fame, but the stars themselves, if they have any integrity, are sponsored by someone (studios or groups or contributions or individuals) and don't pay for the honor, nor solicit it themselves, as you suggest. The only thing required of them is that they show up for the ceremony. Paul Newman was one who refused the honor because he didn't want to show up. Barbra Streisand is the only one I know that accepted the honor and then didn't show up. (They should've removed the star!)

I prefer to have the attitude of someone like the Hawaii historian DeSoto Brown. He was asked if he'd like to live in any particular era of Hawaii's past and he genuinely admmitted he would love to go back for any number of reasons, but would prefer to take all that knowledge and bring it back to the present.

If we really lived in these periods of time we like to look back on, would we really enjoy it as much as we think? Would we be able to afford eating out in all the restaurants we admire? If it was the depression would we even have a job? Would we be in the service during WWII? Would we like breathing the air of the 1950's?

I guess I just don't see the negativity of dissing something because it's not what it used to be.

gsjansen Sep 10, 2014 6:00 PM

Back cover of the 1959 Frank Sennes Moulin Rouge Season program. (The Earl Carroll Theater)

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2297/...22a5f7b3_o.jpgGSJ

gsjansen Sep 10, 2014 6:02 PM

the front cover ain't bad either...................

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3435/...afaed7b4_o.jpgGSJ

Martin Pal Sep 10, 2014 6:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6724121)
31 movie studios in 1928! I'd be hard-pressed to name a third of them.
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Where can we find that list!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6724121)
There are some intriguing names....

Popocatepetl Roll Music
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I looked up that name/word "Popocatepetl".

Popocatepetl is a volcano, east of Mexico City,
and erupted as recently as a year ago in July.

CityBoyDoug Sep 10, 2014 6:30 PM

Yep...things do change over time....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6724259)


That's stretching the truth of things. The Blvd. is not the shopping mecca it once was and that happened when the populace began moving into the valley and shopping malls began to emerge. There was no need to travel to Hollywood to shop somewhere in particular.



More people are living in the Hollywood area than ever. Hollywood Blvd is a shopping area for the people who live there.

The Hollywood area is not a ghost town...its packed with people living there. What's missing from the area are the high class stores that used to serve the area.

HossC Sep 10, 2014 7:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6724121)

31 movie studios in 1928! I'd be hard-pressed to name a third of them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6724289)

Where can we find that list!

This is the list of Motion Picture Producers from the 1927 CD (LAPL has 1927 and 1929, but not 1928), and there are over 100 named here. There are many familiar names along with others I'd never heard of.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ducers1927.jpg
LAPL

ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2014 7:32 PM

:previous: Makes me want to work my way through that list.


Here are some black and white images of the protest outside of Pandora's Box on Sunset Blvd. in 1966.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/RZmjB4.jpg
tumblr/memoriastoica




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/dj4Tv4.jpg
tumblr/memoriastoica



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/JpLAnY.jpg
tumblr/memoriastoica


Martin_Pal had an excellent post on Pandora's Box in early Aug. (including an impressive color photograph)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23000


and a great follow-up by HossC.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23005

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Retired_in_Texas Sep 10, 2014 7:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6724259)

Schwab's, by the way, was never ON Hollywood Blvd. and the Walk of Fame doesn't extend past Vine Street, so no one has a star in front of Pep Boys.

The "famed" Schwab's was indeed on Sunset. If I recall correctly Schwab's over the years became more or less a local chain and had some five or six locations.

As for PEP BOYs being on the Walk of Fame:


https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pe...9f709f!6m1!1e1

Sure looks like some 25+ Stars are along the front entrance and parking lot.

so-cal-bear Sep 10, 2014 7:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6724440)
:previous: Makes me want to work my way through that list.


Here are some black and white images of the protest outside of Pandora's Box on Sunset Blvd. in 1966. . . . .

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/RZmjB4.jpg
www.memoriastoica.tumblr.com


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I love the Hamm's Beer bear billboard on the first photo. I'm a bear and I love beer too ;) And Cool to see many discussions spawned by the story I read about last weekend on our local NPR radio station and posted about here.

gsjansen Sep 10, 2014 7:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6724329)
More people are living in the Hollywood area than ever. Hollywood Blvd is a shopping area for the people who live there.

The Hollywood area is not a ghost town...its packed with people living there. What's missing from the area are the high class stores that used to serve the area.

1930 Hollywood shopping guide cover

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3291/...60fd092d_o.jpgGSJ

yup, purty good shoppin' dirtrict.................

gsjansen Sep 10, 2014 7:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6724440)
:previous: Makes me want to work my way through that list.


Here are some black and white images of the protest outside of Pandora's Box on Sunset Blvd. in 1966.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/RZmjB4.jpg
www.memoriastoica.tumblr.com




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/dj4Tv4.jpg
www.memoriastoica.tumblr.com



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/JpLAnY.jpg
www.memoriastoica.tumblr.com


Martin_Pal had an excellent post on Pandora's Box in early Aug. (including an impressive color photograph)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23000


and a great follow-up by HossC.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23005

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Blue boy episode of Dragnet 1967.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-21Z3lt-Pwn...0/IMG_0072.jpg

ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2014 7:58 PM

:previous: -very cool. I didn't realize Dragnet had filmed an episode there.
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That's a great graphic of Hollywood Boulevard stores circa 1930! -quite a find gsjansen.


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