I am not sure on this, but I think this is a new proposal with just residential. Meow Wolf was supposedly dead/delayed due to the COVID epidemic. But I recently read somewhere else they are still planning on pursuing Phoenix. If it's the same location or another undisclosed location, I am unsure.

Large industrial development coming to South Phoenix on the former cement plant site off 7th Ave just South of the Salt.

https://img.particlenews.com/img/id/...=webp_1024x576

Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...ent-plant.html

This has light rail frontage. Very bad land use in my opinion.

Yessir, I agree. The city should make everything along the river in south Phoenix an Opportunity Zone for developers. I'd be ecstatic to see something like Tempe Town Lake in that South Phoenix area. Just my opinion though.

Agree with the above opinions, this should be much denser for the proximity to the light rail. The concept of both developments would be more coherent if they did something like the Mercado District in Tucson. I think it would make more sense and be a magnet for further projects, as well as an amazing opportunity to do better development in Phoenix.

Totally agree with all of above opinions. I was hoping for development ala Apache Blvd. In Tempe.

I'm more concerned with what's happening there with an apartment redesign of central. Seems there are several roundabouts.

Yes, that's part of the South Central light rail extension. There are two of them planned in this area. They make sense in this context because there are virtually no intersecting streets on the west side of Central. Having roundabouts provides opportunities for U-turns across the tracks in places where there would not typically be signalized intersections. There are two roundabouts along the light rail route in Mesa, and they seem to work just fine.

Thinking about this project again it's the easiest for anyone to do from a planning aspect and it's arguable that a better development would take years to pencil out. Still, I'd prefer a vacant lot than an industrial site that will take decades to redevelop.

In any event, it's extremely frustrating that Phoenix didn't do the requisite upzoning and related planning for the train prior to its construction so we're almost guaranteed even more crap like this from unimaginative developers for a few years until the city gets a clue. It's odd they completely leave the light rail off the map but kept its roundabouts.

Changing the subject a little, question any updates on McKinley Green or X Phoenix Basecamp.

How long until this segment of Central Ave becomes part of the Walkable Urban Code overlay, or is it already?

I thought McKinley Green was starting next yar.

I would say, no not yet. And I have no idea how long it will take. My guess is once the lightrail is complete, unfortunately. This is what the Phoenix.gov website says about the Walkable Urban Code right off the bat.


​​​​​​​​"As part of the Reinvent PHX project, a new urban and transit-oriented zoning code, the Walkable Urban (WU) Code, was adopted by City Council on July 1, 2015 (Ordinance G-6047). The Walkable Urban (WU) Code is Chapter 13 of the City of Phoenix Zoning Ordinance. The code regulates development in proximity to light rail stations and is envisioned to replace existing zoning for properties within the Interim Transit-Oriented Zoning Overlay Districts (TOD-1 and 2, Sections 662 & 663 of the Zoning Ordinance).

The WU Code approval by the City Council only created the regulations in the Zoning Ordinance. Properties within the five Reinvent PHX Transit Oriented Districts (Gateway, Eastlake-Garfield, Midtown, Uptown, and Solano) will still need to go through a rezoning process, with extensive public hearings, to establish the WU Code on a specific property"

I did the good ol' boomerang flight into Phoenix for some meetings last week. Haven't been in Phx since COVID started.

Did a super quick drive through downtown on the way out.. and WOW!!! Was totally impressed!!!!!

Welcome back FAWD!

Sorry, thought I had posted an answer on this. Nothing permit-wise on either of these. My understanding is sometime next year and both will be built concurrently by the same developer to reduce infrastructure/utility time and costs.

Appreciate the update! I didn't realize that these would be built at the same time by the developer. Pretty cool

Thanks Crested I do believe you post that they would be developed at the same time ,but you did answer my question on when.

Downtown Phoenix loses estimated $235M due to postponed, canceled events, report show
 

Ouch.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...-millions.html

And we fared relatively well compared to most cities economically.