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sopas ej May 18, 2010 5:58 PM


Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 4844075)
here is another image taken from further away showing the entrance walkway from the street.
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does anyone have any information on this house?

I don't have any info on the house, but I do know the neighborhood. I realize that I drive by this intersection often. It's now of course the intersection of Cesar Chavez Ave. and Hill Place. I guess it's the western edge of modern-day Chinatown. Too bad the old house couldn't still be standing; there's a mortuary there now. But it looks like the old lamppost on Sunset from that earlier photo you posted is still there, with a modern-day cobrahead light instead of the old gumball lumiere.

From Google Earth:

GaylordWilshire May 18, 2010 6:17 PM


Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4844386)
I don't have any info on the house, but I do know the neighborhood. I realize that I drive by this intersection often. It's now of course the intersection of Cesar Chavez Ave. and Hill Place. I guess it's the western edge of modern-day Chinatown. Too bad the old house couldn't still be standing; there's a mortuary there now. But it looks like the old lamppost on Sunset from that earlier photo you posted is still there, with a modern-day cobrahead light instead of the old gumball lumiere.

It looks as if not only has the lamp standard survived all these years (if not the lamp itself), but that the palms are the same ones, grown tall. And up Hill Place, it looks as if the same five telephone poles are in the same place--that even their angles relative to one another are nearly the same. (Can even creosoted wooden poles last so long?) If the buildings have to change, at least it's interesting to find that these sorts of details often don't.

sopas ej May 18, 2010 8:06 PM


You're right; I was wondering about the palm trees myself. And those telephone poles do look like the same ones from the older photo. I wonder how long telephone poles are supposed to last?

sopas ej May 19, 2010 1:11 AM

MacArthur Park drowning, 1951. Someone left his cake out in the rain.
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I thought I'd do a then and now...

MacArthur Park pedestrian underpass, circa mid or late 1930s; I wonder if these men were up to anything seedy. The one looks like he could be on his cell phone. I know, how anachronistic would THAT be?
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MacArthur Park pedestrian underpass, May 18, 2010:
Photo by me

I've wondered if any film noir featured MacArthur Park; after doing a search, I came up with "Too Late For Tears." I've never seen it, but after reading the plot on Wikipedia, it looks like a movie I'd wanna see.

gsjansen May 19, 2010 1:22 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4833955)
Can anyone explain this 1954 photograph of a rather impressive waterfall?
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I believe it has something to do with Fort Moore Hill.

here is a photo of the groundbreaking of the fort moore pioneer memorial on 1953

and here's the dedication in 1958. note , the relief panel is now fully installed
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gsjansen May 19, 2010 2:08 AM

Happy Hour Noir
3:30 Biltmore style ala 1951!
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living it up at the hotel california................1954 at the beverly hills hotel
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whoopin' it up at the cave club hollywood 1959

fleet week 1935

hey! no dancing here!....can't ya read the sign.....

you can just take that sorta thing outta here and over to palomar's in hollywood if that's your sort of thing.................

gsjansen May 19, 2010 1:31 PM

Mimetic Architecture
i have always enjoyed Mimetic architecture for greasy spoons and ice cream joints. Los Angeles certainly has had it's fair share of em.

The pup cafe 12728 Washington Blvd in venice - 1920

the pup cafe got a bit of a makeover in the 1940's

The Tamale restaurant located at 6421 Whittier Boulevard East Los Angeles - 1930's

The Tamale would become charley's beauty salon

not quite sure what the attraction to eat at this joint was

the jail cafe located at 4212 sunset boulevard - 1927

Particularly when one gets a gander at the sparse interior. i hope they serve more than bread and water

Van de Kamps Beverly Hills located on the northeast corner of Wilshire Boulevard and S. Crescent Heights Boulevard - 1941

The toonerville trolley sandwich shop located at 1635 W. Manchester Ave - 1920

The igloo located at 4302 W. Pico - 1927

The Cone in Eagle Rock - 1920

the cone in the 1930's would become the feed rack

apparently a very welcoming place for the early bird crowd

the Mother Goose Pantry, located at 1951 East Colorado Boulevard, Pasadena - 1928

The Teepee ice cream stand, located on 2nd St. and Covina Ave, Long Beach - 1931

Barkies sandwich shop 3649 beverly boulevard - 1929

a closer view

What it became in 1974.....woof!

Barkies today

gsjansen May 19, 2010 5:27 PM

I keep going back to the beginning of this thread to try and make sure that i do not post any images or information which has previously been posted.................sigh....unfortunately i have seen where i have failed miserably in that endeavor. I once again apologize for (past, present and future), transgressions........

I did see the following posts from back in October, and just wanted to clarify actually what this photo is capturing.......


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4523287)
OK, the caption on this photo was
"looking southwest from 1st and Clay Street."

But isn't this the west entrance to the 3rd Street tunnel? (I recognize the 3-story building from previous pics)
Obviously many buildings have already been torn down.
But where's 2nd Street then? And I can't find Clay Street on the map I have.

Perhaps it was mislabeled.
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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4527831)
Actually, I think it is mislabeled. I see where this is. Clay Street no longer exists, it was obliterated when Bunker Hill was regraded. I think this is actually 2nd and Clay. The 2nd Street tunnel also exists, underneath the hill; the 3rd Street tunnel is shorter than the 2nd street tunnel, the hill is irregularly shaped.

This is actually a photo of Cinnabar street, which was a one block street that ran from 2nd to the 3rd street between flower and hope.

Beaudry had posted this map of Bunker Hill back in November which shows the location of Cinnabar street.

In the aerial image that i had posted in response to Threehundred looking for photos of bunker hill during the redevelopment process, you can see Cinnabar in the middle left of the photo. (i could say it's the street with no buildings, but that would be like saying it's the storefront in chinatown with the duck hanging in the window)

the photo that was posted by ethereal_reality was taken about the same time as the aerial, 1965

here is an image taken looking south from a similar angle, (note the Richfield tower), in 1960 before the wholesale demolition began
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sopas ej May 19, 2010 7:27 PM


Great catch! Funny this should come up, but I recently started trying to familiarize myself with the streets of old Bunker Hill. Some time ago on ebay I was able to buy an old ReniƩ Atlas from 1943, and I've been studying the Bunker Hill area in particular. Because I've been riding Angels Flight, I became somewhat obsessed with finding out what that block used to look like, being that Angels Flight is now in a spot half a block south of where it originally was; I've seen many old photos of where Angels Flight used to be, but not what the block looked like half a block south of there back in the old days.

I'm not sure if these were posted before, but here's what I found.

NW corner of 4th and Hill, 1939. It's a solid block of buildings, flush to the sidewalk.
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NW corner of 4th and Hill, 1973. It looks like an atomic bomb was dropped here. I think in the middle of the rise, you can see what's left of Clay Street.

Looking west up 4th Street from Hill Street, 1939. Up the block, that little narrow alley is Clay Street; the street between the Mutual Garage and the Hotel Clark Garage is Olive. So already by 1939, there were multi-level parking structures on Bunker Hill.
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Looking west up 4th Street from Hill Street, 1975. The Mutual Garage still existed at this point in time.

The Mutual Garage is now the site of 2 California Plaza, seen here under construction in the early 1990s. You can see 1 California Plaza next to it, which was completed in the mid-1980s. At this point, the bridge over Olive Street which extends California Plaza where Angels Flight would have its terminus wasn't built yet.

This is what the area looks like today:
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What is now that park on the corner of 4th and Hill (called Angels Knoll Park) would've been the site of a third office tower for California Plaza, but those plans fell through. That Olive Street bridge, however, was constructed so that it could be easily demolished or modified if ever a third office tower is to be built there.

Here's a view looking down on Hill Street in the 1960s from approximately where Angels Flight would be:

Here's the same view from 2008:

Looking at that Olive Street bridge today, you can see how high Olive Street originally was over the 3rd Street tunnel, being that Angels Flight's 33% grade was kept. So in a way, when you ascend Angels Flight today, you do end up on Olive Street-- just directly above it. This is looking north on Olive from 4th:
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Some earlier pics of Olive and 4th, looking east on 4th...

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Here's the same general view today:
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gsjansen May 20, 2010 12:09 AM


Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4845979)

Some earlier pics of Olive and 4th, looking east on 4th...



stunned.... i know Beaudry told us that the Rose's view to the East was blocked by the Freemont.....but whoa..............

i never saw this picture before....(have i said stunned?)..............

that wouldn't be the corner of the westminster that i see all the way down there at 4th and main would it?............

great googleymoogley!:omg:

this photo is the very reason why i love this!

ethereal_reality May 20, 2010 12:56 AM

So many interesting posts recently.
It's like a huge puzzle we're all trying to piece together.

gsjansen, don't worry about reposting....and no need to apologize.
It's great to see someone having so much fun with the thread.

And sopas_ej, your post #1309 was astonishing in it's detail.
I've learned so much from your posts.

ethereal_reality May 20, 2010 1:55 AM

ethereal_reality May 20, 2010 2:06 AM

A view of Clay Street with Angels Flight in the distance.
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Below: I zeroed in on the upper right hand side of the above photo so I could lighten it.

Luckily, I could now make out the lettering on the globe.
Anyone here know any tales about the Hotel Central on Clay Street?

gsjansen May 20, 2010 3:08 PM

the last stand of hope and 4th
during my research of images, stumbled upon this one dated 1968 which has piqued my curiosity

The image is looking south from just north of third street from what appears to be what was once cinnabar street.

the caption reads

"A view of Bunker Hill showing a lone, rather modern house on top surrounded by evidence of grading. Tall office buildings are seen in the background. Photographer's note: The house on the top of the hill was (according to scuttlebutt at the time) owned by a lawyer; it was quite new and he didn't want to move. He stalled for two years and they had to build a road so he could have access."

the house is visible in these aerials. the 1st is from 1965 and looks down at the intersection of 5th and flower. The house is visible in the upper right.

in this aerial view of the Union Bank Building from 1968, you can see the house just to the right of the Union Bank, (the castle and the salt box are also visible on soon to be cleansed bunker hill avenue)
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The house is located on the lot directly to the north of where the Hildreth mansion once stood.

The only information i have found so far on the house is this following 1954 image.

the caption reads as follows;

"Exterior view of the modern home of Stuart K. Oliver on Bunker Hill. It stands next to the site of Dr. Edward Hildreth's old residence that was a 'House of Sorrow'. Photo dated: December 7, 1954. "

I am very intrigued as this seems to have been the only new residence that had been constructed on Bunker Hill for at least 30 or so years. I'm assuming that Mr. Oliver was the attorney mentioned in the 1st image. If so, then just as the CRA was gearing up to eliminate this "blighted area from District 9's tax rolls, interest to live in bunker hill, by individuals who had the means to live anywhere they wanted, apparently was just beginning to stir, and people were just beginning to rediscover this old neighborhood..............................sigh

does anyone have any additional information on the Stuart K. Oliver Residence?

gsjansen May 20, 2010 4:10 PM

one more aerial looking north across bunker hill during redevelopment in 1968
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lots of thins are going on in this photo. flower street is being re-routed to swing to the east and link up with hope street so as to avoid bunker hill towers which are under construction.

it looks like workers are getting ready to put the castle and the salt box up on blocks in preparation of their relocation to heritage square

the extension of the third street tunnel is nearing completion.

bunker hill avenue north of third street is long gone.

Hope street between 3rd and 2nd appears to be closed to vehicular traffic in preparation for the upcoming grading operation.

oh.....and there's the stuart k. oliver house. still perched in solitude on it's soon to be eradicated hill

sopas ej May 20, 2010 5:00 PM

Very interesting, gsjansen, I never knew about Stuart K. Oliver's house. I wonder what motivated him to build a modern house on Bunker Hill and live there; I'm sure he knew that area would be demolished...

gsjansen May 20, 2010 6:55 PM

in this southward looking aerial from 1970, the Stuart K. Oliver residence is long gone.
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bunker hill avenue is only a memory. it's amazing to think that bunker hill avenue ran along the summit of bunker hill, and in these photos, the summit is gone, and bunker hill avenue has been turned into a deep pit bisected by third street, (which really doesn't exist in this photo).

In this 1972 northward looking aerial, take a look at the jog in hope street. The hill upon which the Stuart K. Oliver Residence stood, is now a foundation pit cliff

i am not be having any luck finding info on the Oliver house, but i sure am looking at a lot of bunker hill aerials:psycho:

sopas ej May 20, 2010 8:18 PM

I actually find those aerial shots fascinating too. It's interesting to me to see Grand Avenue before it was double-decked, and before General Thaddeus Kosciusko Way existed... what is up with that street name, too?

In my opinion, on the positive side of the razing of old Bunker Hill, at least the CRA's concentration on Bunker Hill meant that they basically left the Historic Core of downtown alone; yeah, some structures did fall to the wrecking ball there, but I'm sure that was mostly the result of the individual property owners and not because the LA CRA had a grand "urban renewal" master plan for the Historic Core.

GaylordWilshire May 20, 2010 11:00 PM

I KNOW I've run across information on the midcentury house on Hope Street before, though I don't remember the name Oliver.
I remember thinking then that it must have been built on the site of the Hildreth house's carriage house, or at the beginning of the driveway back to the carriage house--notice that it seems to be inserted in an opening in what looks like the same stone wall
that surrounded the Hildreth. I've always loved the Hildreth house--pictures of it, at least--but have never found one showing
much of the Hope Street side of the property.

As for Kosciusko Way--here in New York we hear about the Kosciuszko Bridge all the time in traffic reports (it's on the Brooklyn-
Queens Expressway--and for some reason it's spelled with a "z" here). Anyway, I've run across Kosciuszko this and Kosciusko that all over the country. The General was a Polish volunteer in the Revolutionary War.

sopas ej May 20, 2010 11:30 PM


Ooops I actually misspelled it, there is indeed supposed to be a "z" in "Kosciuszko."

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