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gsjansen Jun 24, 2011 9:32 PM


Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5324506)
mickey and johnny in happier times walking along the west side of broadway between temple and 1st. the view is looking south on broadway, the hotel broadway which was adjacent to court flight can be seen down the block - august 7, 1941
Source: Corbis Images

here is an aerial view looking across the former courthouse site towards the exact location of the image of mickey and johnny walking on broadway.
Source: LAPL

gsjansen Jun 24, 2011 10:15 PM

here's a photo, i know i have never seen before...........................

looking north on hill towards the tunnels while they and the hill are being demolished 1955. that's the broadway hotel beyond the pile of remnants of the hill on the right'
Source: LAPL

i can't beleive they allowed traffic to continue use of the west tunnel, this far into the demolition process. :eek:

here is the same view the year before, just prior to commencement of the destruction
Source: LAPL

ethereal_reality Jun 24, 2011 11:07 PM

You have a eagle eye connecting that photo of Cohen & Stompanato with the aerial.
You can clearly see the CAFE and car park......good job gsjansen!

Those two tunnel photos are new to me as well. They're very interesting.

gsjansen Jun 25, 2011 1:45 AM

another photograph of the hill street tunnel being demolished 1955

this time we are looking more north easterly with the hall of justice looming beyond the hotel broadway. (note the sign on the far left announcing the new court house)
Source: LAPL

the same view once again a year earlier
Source: LAPL

here is an image of the tunnel in 1928
Source: LAPL

gsjansen Jun 25, 2011 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Fab Fifties Fan (Post 5326515)
Fun pictures I found on another thread

Women auditioning at the Biltmore Hotel for Billy Rose's Aquacade featured at the 1940 Golden Gate International Exposition

just add water!

i'm glad you were finally able to post this, well worth the wait!

gsjansen Jun 25, 2011 11:53 AM

a very interesting image taken from city hall during the demolition of the courthouse.

if you look to the right of the hall of records, you can make out the north onion dome of the beth israel olive street shul. the turreted building to the right of the shul is the st. angelo at grand and temple.
Source: LAPL

sopas ej Jun 26, 2011 4:29 PM

I watched the noir-ish film "Sudden Fear" for the first time a few nights ago. I thought it would be campy (being that Joan Crawford was already in her late 40s when she did this film but whose character, I assume, was supposed to be younger), but it was actually a well-done movie, I thought. Jack Palance was great in his role, too, as was Gloria Grahame (Crawford and Palance both received Oscar nominations for this film; the film was also nominated for its cinematography and costume design). Anyway, the film takes place in San Francisco, and there are numerous outdoor shots where it's obvious they're in San Francisco, but the climactic scenes toward the end of the film look like they were actually shot on Bunker Hill. I've already returned the DVD to Netflix, otherwise I'd try to look at those scenes more carefully, but can anyone confirm this?

Joan Crawford as Myra

Jack Palance as Myra's homicidal husband, Lester

Gloria Grahame as Irene

The dictaphone scene where Myra finds out Lester's true intentions

The great noir cinematography
Both images from

Not San Francisco, but Bunker Hill?

sopas ej Jun 26, 2011 4:38 PM

I believe the history of the pronunciation of "Los Angeles" was discussed on this thread before, but here's an LA Times article about it, which I thought was interesting:

Devil of a time with City of Angels' name

Proper pronunciation has perplexed a plethora of people.

By Steve Harvey
Only in L.A.
June 26, 2011
Former Mayor Sam Yorty pronounced the city's name as Law SANG-lus. (Los Angeles Times / April 7, 1968)

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, President Theodore Roosevelt and Bugs Bunny might appear to have little in common, but they do share one distinction:

They've all mispronounced Los Angeles.

Perry committed his gaffe the other day at the Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena when he greeted a Latino group with the words, "Buenos dias, Los Angeles!" He rendered the city's name as Loce AN-guh-leeze, as though it contained a hard G and rhymed with "fleas."

It was somewhat reminiscent of the time President Roosevelt referred to the City of Angels as Loss AN-jee-leeze during a 1903 visit, according to historian John Weaver.

Bugs Bunny would later use the hard-G pronunciation as well, though it is probable that the rabbit was just being mischievous.

Mispronouncing L.A. is an old tradition.

"There is no other city in the world whose inhabitants so miserably and shamelessly, and with so many varieties of foolishness, miscall the name of the town they live in," author Charles Lummis wrote in 1914.

As early as 1880 the Chamber of Commerce issued this reminder to visitors (and residents):

The Lady would remind you, please

Her name is not
Lost AN-jie-lees."

But what is the lady's name? It depends, of course, on whether one is talking about a Spanish or Anglicized pronunciation.

In the early 1900s, The Times advocated the Spanish version, carrying a box by its editorial page masthead that proclaimed the way to say Los Angeles was Loce AHNG-hayl-ais.

English speakers who found that difficult could only be thankful that the city had shortened its original name, which some scholars believe was El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula.

The Times' campaign aside, the United States Board on Geographic Names decreed in 1934 that the name should be Anglicized to Loss AN-ju-less.

The Times said the federal agency's decree made the city "sound like some brand of fruit preserve." It detected a conspiracy to rob California cities of their "soft, sibilant Spanish syllables" and asked whether San Jose would next be pronounced San JOCE and San Joaquin would become San JOK-kin.

The newspaper predicted that the change to Loss AN-ju-less would "find no favor with the people of Southern California." The Times was correct, to a point, but not in the way it meant.

While the Spanish version lapsed into disuse, a debate arose over newcomers using an alternative Anglicized version with a hard G — something along the lines of Loss AN-guh-less.

So, in 1952, Mayor Fletcher Bowron impaneled a jury of experts to determine an official pronunciation, once and for all, for the city. After all, Los Angeles was approaching its 171st birthday. It was time to figure out what to call it.

A Times reporter noted, incidentally, that in Bowron's remarks, "the mayor carefully steered clear" of trying to say Los Angeles, "referring to it as 'our city.' "


Read the rest by clicking on this.

I used to work with a Chinese guy from Hong Kong, who actually spoke English with somewhat of a British accent, and he would pronounce Los Angeles as "Los AN-juh-leeze."

gsjansen Jun 26, 2011 6:54 PM

that is so gret S_EJ

i myself always say

Loce AHNG-hayl-ais, (much to the bemused looks of folks, who only recognise, Loss AN-ju-less)

never ever do i ever say L.A......(even though i love it!)

as for the photo from the joan crawford that the dome viewed looking west on 2nd?
Source: ON Bunker Hill

Los Angeles Past Jun 27, 2011 1:05 AM

Growing up in the east San Gabriel Valley in the '60s, all the kids of my generation (including the Hispanics) pronounced it "loss-SAN-juh-luss' (loss as in toss, juh as in duh, luss as in plus). Often, the syllables were run together so it sounded more like a single, four-syllable word, rather than two words.

As a side note, I have postcards from the first decade of the 20th century where the writers refer to the city as simply "Los."


gsjansen Jun 27, 2011 6:46 PM

parker center was just way to sterile to ever be considered noir. you want lapd noir? then ya gotta go here................

the old central station at 1st and hill...(hell's yeah! even the meter maid trike looks noir!)
Source: Hollywood historic photos

ethereal_reality Jun 27, 2011 8:27 PM

^^^That is such an excellent photo. It's the first time that I've seen the old police station up close.

below: The Saint Angelo Hotel at 237 N. Grand Ave.

ethereal_reality Jun 27, 2011 8:33 PM

Bunker Hill residents registered to vote here. -no address given-

The photo is dated 1951.

Link to a slide show on Bunker Hill set to music. (It will start on it's takes a couple seconds)


ethereal_reality Jun 27, 2011 8:41 PM

Bunkerhill HOTEL at 116-120 Hope Street in 1952.

ethereal_reality Jun 27, 2011 9:59 PM

A week or so ago gsjansen was researching the old wooden walkway over the rail yards.
I noticed the Capitol Mill Co. on one of his maps.

Here is the elevated line next to the Capitol Mill Co.
usc archive

......another view, this time from above.
usc archive

below: The Capitol Milling Co. across from the gate to new Chinatown on Broadway.

below: A screen grab by Robby Cress from the movie 'Save the Tiger' circa 1973.
Robby Cress at dearoldhollywood

below: Surprisingly it is still standing today (you can make out a wing of the eagle behind the bank/pagoda).
Robby Cress at dearoldhollywood

Here is a link to Mr. Cress' exceptional blog.


austlar1 Jun 28, 2011 5:51 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5330283)
Bunkerhill HOTEL at 116-120 Hope Street in 1952.

Wow! My inner transient tells me that would have been an appealing spot in which to seek oblivion. They don't have places quite like that any longer.

gsjansen Jun 28, 2011 2:31 PM

a great mid 40's Kodachrome of hollywood and vine from life magazine
Source: Life Magazine

gsjansen Jun 28, 2011 2:40 PM

an absolutely horrifying image of the demolition of nbc at sunset and vine 1964
Source: Photograph by Randy Nauert posted at vintage los angeles album on facebook

Fab Fifties Fan Jun 28, 2011 4:37 PM

Interchange at Night
The four-tier downtown interchange in 1953. I love this shot for the noorish quality and the architectural value, even though I will always be sad about what was sacrificed to clear paths for the freeways.

It is also refreshing to see it free from hellish traffic and grafitti:)
credit USC Archive/Examiner Photos

rbpjr Jun 28, 2011 7:20 PM

My (biological) mother was living at 116 when I was born in that time it was a shelter for young unmarried mothers...I would be interested if anyone had information about the shelter at that location.

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