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rentatrip Apr 5, 2013 8:22 PM

Venice , Main Street at Rose
 
Venice Cali, veiw looking west down Rose Ct *intersection of Main St.& Rose Ct
[IMG]http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/...Now/Venice.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/...MainDudley.jpg[/IMG]
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The Old Firehouse Antique Shop
Venice , Cali 1974 *Main Street Looking South* intersection 200 east Rose Ave.
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/...dfirehouse.jpg
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Firehouse Restaurant (2013*)
[IMG]http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/...0Now/Rose3.jpg[/IMG]

ethereal_reality Apr 5, 2013 8:29 PM

Interesting before and after photos rentatrip.
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Oh, and thanks for the info. on A. L. Bath WS1911 and oldstuff. -much appreciated :)
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ethereal_reality Apr 5, 2013 8:41 PM

Echo Park circa 1899

http://imageshack.us/a/img826/6814/aabechopark1899.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Vintage-ph...item3f23a930fa
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WS1911 Apr 5, 2013 9:07 PM

Regarding Albert L. Bath
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6080069)
(A bit more on George Gephard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gephard)



Albert L Bath (1829-1905):
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t...848%2520AM.jpg
findagrave

Thank you to both of you.

The three houses I've owned in LA, all built in the teens and 20s, were each the first structure to be built on their particular lots and all still exist in neighborhoods that have remained residential. I researched the chain of ownership of each, but there really wasn't much outward change.

I'm fascinated by sites like the SE corner of 5th and Hill that changed from residential to a hotel, to an office building and shops, falling derelict, undergoing a two-stage demolition and finally being excavated for the Red Line station.

Thanks so much for the deep history of "my" old bus stop.

Many thanks to tovanger2, FlyingWedge and oldstuff for replying to my comment on tovanger2’s Willoughby Hotel post. It appears that the house on the property was eventually expanded and became a rooming house, finally ending up as the Hotel Willoughby in 1898.

I never thought I could get so much information on this subject in 24 hours. You guys are amazing! Albert L. Bath is gone but not forgotten. :)

ethereal_reality Apr 5, 2013 9:57 PM

Another 1926 photograph listed on ebay by the same woman who had the 'Devils Walk' Court Flight photo.

Los Angeles Public Library and it's environs.
http://imageshack.us/a/img14/7586/aa...ycarpark19.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/
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rentatrip Apr 5, 2013 11:20 PM

Little Bavaria, Manhattan Beach Cali, Then & Now
[IMG]http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/...ttanbeach2.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/...arialittle.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/...bavaria1-1.jpg[/IMG]

tovangar2 Apr 5, 2013 11:23 PM

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SoCal1954 Apr 5, 2013 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6080272)

I wonder, if others, over the years, caught the spelling error up on Mt. Wilson? LOL "Broacasting" :P

SoCal1954 Apr 5, 2013 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6080517)
Amazing e_r! All the more so because this is almost exactly how it looked in the 70s when it was scraped down to bare earth to build the Bonaventure. About the only difference being the NE corner of 5th & Flower was then also an empty lot. There was so much waste ground around downtown then. Terrible dust storms.

It was all because you figured out the lettering on the tower. That had me stumped. It never occurred to be that it was someone's name, I assumed it was advertising the amenities within.


OMG, are you telling us that the little house, with the brick chimney, the cute picket fence, and ample parking--is no longer there!??

Let me check Google street-view!!



:D

Chuckaluck Apr 6, 2013 12:12 AM

I would not place much reliance on this Monrovia advertisement, except for maybe its geographic spelling :no:, but it raises a few other questions. Since it doesn't seem to specifically reference any Freeways, could it date to the late '40s? The estimated travel times are interesting too. They seem to be based on current Freeway speeds, but on what Freeways? This might be imaginable when leaving the city, e.g., to Palm Springs, San Diego or Big Bear, on roads unencumbered with stop signs and traffic - on Christmas Morning. Monrovia to Malibu in 90 minutes? Either all the traffic lights were synchronized years ago . . . or there were very few of them. Or maybe the times were optimistically based on drafting downhill express street cars . :koko:

From GSJansen post - http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4984

Circa '48
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/f41e1ba4624096b1_large

'49 Harbor Freeway Construction
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ab40c2e03d21fc26_large

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Unfinished Foothill Freeway - undated
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/FRE02-001.jpghttp://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/FRE02-001.jpg

"Construction for the new Cahuenga Freeway causes a traffic jam in the pass, 1939"
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/10511057.gifhttp://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/10511057.gif

Hollywood Freeway Construction - 1952
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...-NG-6574-A.jpghttp://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...-NG-6574-A.jpg


Hollywood Freeway Construction - 1953
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...9604-010~8.jpghttp://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...9604-010~8.jpg

1949 - Nearly completed Harbor Freeway - Four Level Interchange
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...-1949-ucla.jpghttp://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...-1949-ucla.jpg

1965 - Freeway in Santa Monica
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/B106.jpghttp://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/B106.jpg

1964 - Santa Monica Freeway under construction at La Cienega and Venice boulevards.
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...enega-UCLA.jpghttp://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...enega-UCLA.jpg

Above from this "Before Carmageddon" article: http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...ays-35191.html

Another article worth perusing is "When L.A. Was Empty: Wide-Open SoCal Landscapes." http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...andscapes.html

nexleffel Apr 6, 2013 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Swink (Post 6016764)
Some times I come across a little part of the city that seems hidden a way and feels like it was and still is, it’s own distinct secret neighborhood. The part of town I call Ocean View is just to the north of Park Plaza Hotel in Westlake. There is a street called Ocean View Ave. And Ocean Ave between Coronado and Carondelet gets me thinking how this might have been the best street to live on in Los Angeles at one point.

I'm the current manager of Nob Hill Towers...
Here is a beautiful picture I finally found after YEARS of searching on and off...

The building was called The Taggart Apartments in 1932.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps0ba914f5.jpg

ethereal_reality Apr 6, 2013 1:11 AM

:previous: Beautiful apartment building nexleffel. Thanks for sharing :)
I am curious about the extra tall 'column-like' thingys on the roof.

SoCal1954 Apr 6, 2013 1:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 6080567)
I would not place much reliance on this Monrovia advertisement, except for maybe its geographic spelling :no:, but it raises a few other questions. Since it doesn't seem to specifically reference any Freeways, could it date to the late '40s? The estimated travel times are interesting too. They seem to be based on current Freeway speeds, but on what Freeways? This might be imaginable when leaving the city, e.g., to Palm Springs, San Diego or Big Bear, on roads unencumbered with stop signs and traffic - on Christmas Morning. Monrovia to Malibu in 90 minutes? Either all the traffic lights were synchronized years ago . . . or there were very few of them. Or maybe the times were optimistically based on drafting downhill express street cars . :koko:

____________________________
Unfinished Foothill Freeway - undated
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/FRE02-001.jpghttp://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/FRE02-001.jpg


First, with respect to the Monrovia card, while it has the 'feel' of a 1930's or early 40's type card, the first TV tower was errected on Mt. Wilson in 1947--KTLA-5. Therefore, this must be from the very late 40's or very early 50's.


Next, and most interesting, is the photo of the I-210 bridge under construction. At the time of the construction of the I-210 through Pasadena, LaCanada, and LaCrescenta, I was both living and working (daily) in the immediate area, and watched its progress from first dig, to first traffic.

This is the bridge which crosses the Arroyo Seco, just a few hundred feet south of the actual Devils Gate Dam, and the two old roads and bridges, one very narrow roadway from the teens/20's, over the dam itself, and the other more modern wider two-lane, built in the 50's to support growing traffic in L.A. ( you can see a portion of it with that car driving w/b.) In this photo, you can just make out a portion of the dam wall structure and the old dam house tower, with the San Gabriels, above Altadena in the far background.

On Oct. 17, 1972, while the concrete pour (w/b lanes as I recall) was in its final stages, in the afternoon, the bridge section collapsed and left six men dead and another 21 injured.

I was working that day, and got to the scene, so soon after the collapse, that the dust was still rising from the pile of wooden forms and wet concrete and steel. It took well into the second day, as I recall, to recover the last of the bodies, as the pile of debris was so tough to deal with.

What is amazing is, this was such a catostrophic/tragic event, yet there is very little info or photos available on the net, documenting this event. Most, who drive over this bridge to and from work each day, have no idea of this event.

I found one photo of the scene, most likely a few hours after the collapse, which shows a line of ambulances and rescue equipment from both the City of Pasadena and the County of LA.
http://i49.tinypic.com/15q6mpt.jpg

BifRayRock Apr 6, 2013 1:46 AM



:previous::hell:

A deceivingly peaceful looking Devils Gate Dam
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8165/7...ea00bed8_b.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8165/7...ea00bed8_b.jpg


More of the Devil here :hell:[ > http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...postcount=9509 and elsewhere in thread.

Rose Bowl Adjacent, Brookside Park
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7140/7...b80b91c6_b.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7140/7...b80b91c6_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8168/7...7f7a5905_b.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8168/7...7f7a5905_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8145/7...9c50a903_b.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8145/7...9c50a903_b.jpg



BifRayRock Apr 6, 2013 1:48 AM



Beyond Det. Jack Vincennes' jurisdiction.

Where "rush-hour" doesn't exist.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8426/7...69401dfa_b.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8426/7...69401dfa_b.jpg


The Mar Vista Apts and Hotel Second and Arizona, Santa Monica (What happens in the Mar Vista stays in the Mar Vista!)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7139/7...d029d6c0_b.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7139/7...d029d6c0_b.jpg

2201 Pico Blvd. - Please bring your own entertainment.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7259/7...0922666a_b.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7259/7...0922666a_b.jpg

The Georgian
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8010/7...f0111689_b.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8010/7...f0111689_b.jpg

The Dawn Motel = 1657 Ocean Ave., Santa Monica
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7140/7...021287de_b.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7140/7...021287de_b.jpg


tovangar2 Apr 6, 2013 2:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal1954 (Post 6080620)

What is amazing is, this was such a catastrophic/tragic event, yet there is very little info or photos available on the net, documenting this event. Most, who drive over this bridge to and from work each day, have no idea of this event.

Maybe it was under-reported out of fear that it would affect public confidence in the freeway system. Just a guess

Where'd you find this photo?

ethereal_reality Apr 6, 2013 2:20 AM

Another photograph from 'Devils Walk' lady. (her green fingernail is visible at left)

Broadway Tunnel 1926
http://imageshack.us/a/img843/6023/a...aytunnelfe.jpg
ebay

There appears to be a small building or two behind the John T. Dye billboards (notice the smoking flue).
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SoCal1954 Apr 6, 2013 2:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6080648)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...619%2520PM.jpg

Maybe it was under-reported out of fear that it would affect public confidence in the freeway system. Just a guess

Where'd you find this photo?


It may have been from the LaCanada Valley Sun, local paper.

It has been in my file for some time, but so far is the only photo I have; no cell phone cameras or digital cameras then, so I didn't take any at the time.

tovangar2 Apr 6, 2013 3:01 AM

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SoCal1954 Apr 6, 2013 3:15 AM

Another one; source LaCanada Valley Sun--40th anniversary of collapse:

http://i45.tinypic.com/2j68jtx.jpg

Six workmen died and 21 others were injured, six of them critically, when a 60-foot section of the Foothill Freeway bridge under construction collapsed and the workers fell 90 feet to the floor of the Arroyo Seco. The accident took place while concrete was being poured; two of the victims were entombed in the quick-dry mixture.

A major rescue and recovery operation that involved 120 county firefighters, 50 Pasadena firefighters and about 450 construction workers who answered an appeal for help lasted 18 hours.



Here is a copy of a photo I purchased on eBay sometime ago. The dam and e/w highway was built in 1920, so this photo is in the early 20's based on the traffic.

http://i47.tinypic.com/zjys12.jpg



I took this photo in 2005, I was standing on the far west end of the road that runs across the crest of the bridge. The concrete structure at the right (south) is the 2nd road which was built in the early 50's, with much wider lanes to accomodate modern cars and trucks. Further south, another couple of hundred feet, is the current I-210 fwy. bridge, the one which collapsed in 1972, while under construction.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2zxqas0.jpg


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