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HossC May 26, 2015 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7039929)

A. Bard Mohr Pretzels, 504 Molino Street, Los Angeles.
:previous: I've been trying to decide what is stacked at the side-door. (besides boxes of pretzel ;)) looks like small fans on top.

I thought the City Directories might hold the answer, but they just raise more questions. The only mention I found of the Mohr Bros at 504 Molino is for their parcel delivery company in the 1917 CD. Bard Mohr is listed as an assayer in 1915, and the Mohr Bros are proprietors of the Hotel Yorkshire at 710 Broadway in 1918. I wonder when they had time to make pretzels? The Molino Street address was a soap manufacturer in 1911, and a paper merchant by 1921.

ethereal_reality May 26, 2015 10:37 PM

This group of photographs from 1927 are listed on eBay by the same seller that listed the 1922 Muller Bros. 'movie location' photographs.

L.A. Police Dept. Garage, 322 Temple St. (I can't make heads or tails out of the other writing)

Liggett's Drug Store S.W. Corner of Temple & Broadway, 1927. (Rexall above the door)

City Drug Store/lunch counter (in the wctu building), N.W. corner of Temple & Broadway.

City Hall construction. L.A. Cal.

The photographer wasn't satisfied with his 'cut-off' photograph of city hall so he pieced two photographs together.
-and he/she did great job matching them up!

:previous: The photographer took this while standing on the lawn of the old Los Angeles County Courthouse.


BifRayRock May 26, 2015 10:41 PM

(HossC, No one should doubt your advice regarding timeouts.:redface: )


Originally Posted by Mayor Shaw (Post 5656608)
This last one is Sontag Drugs located at Whilshire and Cloverdale:

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Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 5985637)
Wilshire and Cloverdale. 5401 Wilshire. Building contours retained over the years.:tup:

1978 seems like yesterday.

1940 with more detail. Digital

Still keeping an eye peeled for more Bob's Air Mail and discovered this 1932 image of a nearby location (Cloverdale Ave.).

It looks like this would have been taken prior to groundbreaking for Sontag Drugs, A&P and the Glorified Hamburger. Most of the images for those structures seem to be dated 1937 or later. Most of the "Bob's" images are tagged "1936," so this Cloverdale image suggests there was plenty of adjacent room to manuver Bob's Fokker F-32. Of particular note is the mission-style garage building at 674 Cloverdale. The structure seems to have melded into the larger structure that borders Wilshire. Note below the scaffolding indicating ongoing remodeling for the Wilshire-Cloverdale building. Sadly, while the garage seems extant, all of it's original style elements have disappeared. Suffice it to say, not all facelifts are improvements.

1932 - Wilshire looking NE toward Cloverdale.

1932 - Blank billboard Wilshire and Cloverdale. "Suitable for flying saucer parking?"

1932 - Cloverdale

1932 - Cloverdale Garage
This garage "had" an interesting mouth. (Reminiscent of the Fish Shanty on Burton Way and La Cienega see below)

1932 - Cloverdale Garage

Fish Shanty and a happy whale

Plenty of Parking!

Overflow parking?

Flyingwedge May 26, 2015 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7039822)

And now, the Stanley from the Clift Hotel. The Dome Apartments are on the left, and the Stoll Apartments are on the right. This is the west end of the 2nd Street tunnel.

The west end of the Second Street tunnel, August 22, 1921:
uclalat_1429_b3715_G3000 @ UCLA Digital Library

Construction of the Second Street tunnel began on April 11, 1921. The contractor was given 465 days to complete the project,
but the tunnel didn't open for traffic until July 25, 1924.

Tetsu May 26, 2015 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7037476)
I'm guessing most in the Noirish community are familiar with Leonard Nadel—postwar photographer for the LA Housing Authority, about whom Stefano Bloch writes "Nadel captured images of abject poverty and substandard housing reminiscent of New York City's Lower East Side at the turn of century. Nadel may not, however, be included on the list of great social reformist photographers such as Jacob Riis, because his images, perhaps unwittingly, inspired slum clearance, the displacement of communities, and the bad policy that led to some of the worst housing stock and concentrated poverty in the nation. Nevertheless, students and scholars may find more to discuss in the juxtaposition of his images, using Nadel's pictures as visual data and a view of post-War housing upheavals and short-lived triumphs in Los Angeles."

If you don't know of Nadel, at least you've seen his shots. For example, here is one of his, and note the lamentation that the image is not bigger.

Well, did you know that all Nadel's stuff is online, in high-res? Neither did I until I was poking around for Nadel and stumbled upon the lot, and they're...amazing. And in countless number. And all shots of stuff no tourist or architecture fan would ever shoot. (By way of example, I never thought I'd see a whole gaggle of pix of the 1950 Bunker Hill Recreation Center other than the one at LAPL...)

So here's the deal. You click here and you'll see the five categories: photographs of various subjects, undated, undated; photographs of Pueblo del Rio, 1947-1948, 1947-1948; photographs for the Housing Authority of the City of Los Angeles, 1948-1997, 1948-1997, undated; photographs of Community Redevelopment Agency projects, 1948-1998, 1948-1998, undated; photographs of Aliso Village, 1948-1994, bulk 1948-1949, Bulk, 1948-1949. Click one of those, and in that next window click "Display Item" and it'll open up a new window with a side scroll-bar. This is broken into subcategories. Scroll through the photos and enjoy! Don't forget to press the 1:1 button as that's the automatic enlargement to full size, but also use the magnifying glass to fly in. The down arrow button is download to desktop, which it does at about 1500 across, which is pretty nice. Also, it's a little funky to go back and forth between picture numbers and the envelope numbers at the end, which you'll want to do because the envelopes and sometimes note cards are scanned that have the addresses and names of subjects/places.

So, just to whet your appetite:

from photographs of various subjects/storefronts and people on streets, undated --
Looking west on 3rd from the upper Angels Flight, of course

It is the folder called Photographs of Community Redevelopment Agency Projects that is complete madness, though. There's enough there to keep NLA in clover for a year. Here's one from Temple Area 1948-57/Views and housing, undated:
No explanatory envelope for this one, but I figure we have First on our right (out of frame), Temple on our left, and we're looking from Boylston.

Yikes, this is the Mother Lode!

In the color shot, couldn't help but notice the Ford House at left center, now situated at Heritage Square - then 140 N. Beaudry at Mignonette, if memory serves me right. Square

HossC May 26, 2015 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7040103)

L.A. Police Dept. Garage, 322 Temple St. (I can't make heads or tails out of the other writing)

I think the top line says "WHILE BUILDING L.A.C.HALL." - by the other pictures, I'm assuming LA City Hall.


ethereal_reality May 26, 2015 11:11 PM

:previous: Thanks Hoss.

originally posted by BifRayRock

There is still a garage at 674 Clovedale Avenue.

And it appears the nice looking building on the left in Bif's 1932 photo is still there!

here it is. the garage is on the right


Beaudry May 26, 2015 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7039862)
Excellent photographs and explanations HossC.

Detail / West portal of the 2nd Street Tunnel.
originally posted by HossC

I don't remember the tunnel having this design element. I wonder if there was a way to reach the area behind the columns?


I too have thought there must be a way to "get behind" there. But there doesn't appear to be a door/access panel of any sort. I can't imagine there being any function for these columns standing alone like so—save for their being much more elegant than engaged columns or pilasters, which wouldn't have the lovely play of light and shadow.

(Getty>Nadel>CRA>Housing & Street Conditions, 1955 October 31>neg 187)

Flyingwedge May 27, 2015 12:20 AM


Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7039760)
I, too, yesterday, was trying to find out what they might be filming here and wasn't having any luck.

However I won't verify Von Stroheim was in any of these photos, but I do believe this is Lionel Barrymore,
not John, whom you researched, even though someone wrote a "J." on the photograph.

From the film Devil Doll*, for which Erich von Stroheim has a writing credit.

Which person are you saying is Lionel Barrymore in the 1922 photo (above, at top)?

Here's Lionel from 1923's Unseeing Eyes: --

Lionel and his wife Irene Fenwick in 1923:
wikimedia --

I'm inclined to agree with Handsome Stranger:


Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 7038986)

I'll put forward a couple of alternate theories: first, these are probably just ordinary crew members of a small film company that the photographer mistook for major celebrities. Alternately, the photographer may have purposely mislabeled the photos with the names of major celebrities so as to have some bragging rights over the photos in his album.

I'm reminded of the misidentified, not-really Oliver Hardy photo we had some time ago.

ethereal_reality May 27, 2015 12:32 AM

I thought the heavy-set man with the gray hair was just a crew member having a discussion with 'Director Von Stroheim'*,
and the 'Barrymore' in question is behind him, awaiting direction.
:previous: He certainly has the Barrymore nose.

* and 'Director Von Stroheim' could just be someone with a Von Stroheim-like haircut.

BifRayRock May 27, 2015 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5518116)
Aerial view of Page Military Academy at 1201 S. Cochran Avenue. The road running left to right is San Vicente Boulevard.

below: Aerial dated 1915.

below: In this view the administration building is seen facing Cochran Avenue. The street at left is San Vicente Boulevard.
Notice the cadets lined up in the training field.

The Page Military Academy was at this location from 1915 to 1958.

below: In this aerial you can still make out the triangular outline of the military academy.
google street view

Today the site is the Villa Vicente Apartment Complex.
google street view

By 1933, the paint was starting to fade.

Page, that Military academy for "little" boys.

Cochran looking north.

Safe bet WigWag would have found the off-campus entertainment.

Looking south on Cochran. That steeple probably belongs to the Cochran Ave Baptist Church.

1504 S Cochran (Built late '20s?)

Things look sanitary on the right side of the street.;)

Abandoned construction equipment or a street car capped with an extra large turbine vent? (Trackless crane/shovel?)

1933 - San Vicente looking east from Cochroach Ave

I wonder if this building was later remodeled and is currently occupied by "Splendid Cleaners?" Notice Page Military sign on utility pole. Intended for street car passengers or kite fliers?


1933 - East on San Vicente (The dust bowl is wider than most thought?)

Cloverdale and San Vicente. Nice street lamps.

ethereal_reality May 27, 2015 1:01 AM

posted earlier by HossC / west portal, 2nd street tunnel.

I didn't realize the 2nd Street Tunnel was once trumpeted as the panacea to traffic problems for drivers trying to reach downtown from the west (and north).

Nov. 7, 1920
Los Angeles Times via

"2nd Street had long been a major transportation bottleneck, as traffic from Hollywood and Glendale
had to be diverted south from 2nd Street, around Bunker Hill, before entering the city."

So they decided to build a tunnel.

Beaudry May 27, 2015 1:23 AM

You know what part of Bunker Hill I really dig? The graveyard.

No, I'm not thinking about Fort Moore, nor have I gone loony. I just found out about this really cool cemetery on First above Fremont:

Well, ok, not really. Apparently the neighborhood kids, on looking at the foundations of the apartment-house demolished at 915/917 First, decided they looked too much like headstones not to have some spooky fun. Look, there's even a little cross. Perhaps they buried their pets there? Or were they making a wry comment about the death of Bunker Hill?

Note the signage those irrepressible scamps have scrawled!

So what we're looking at is the back of 910, 914/16, & 920 Diamond (the Mission parapet is the Occidental Apts across the street at 911 Diamond), from First between Fremont and Figueroa.

Here, it can hardly be seen, blocked at lower left by 929/931 First St, in this image (taken, obviously, from the newly-minted 110 overpass) dated October 18, 1955:

While in the undated color images, 929/931 is now just a pit, and we can see the graveyard just fine —

Which of course now looks like this.

Which begs the question, having removed the headstones, did they actually remove the bodies?

CityBoyDoug May 27, 2015 2:36 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5518138)
......another year and an even LARGER kite...this time to be flown at what looks like Mines Field or perhaps another airport in the vicinity.

below: Assembling the parts.

....almost there.


It flies!!


I agree with ER. It must have been a cool school to attend.

BifRayRock May 27, 2015 3:06 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7040220)
I thought the heavy-set man with the gray hair was just a crew member having a discussion with 'Director Von Stroheim'*,
and the 'Barrymore' in question is behind him, awaiting direction.
:previous: He certainly has the Barrymore nose.

* and 'Director Von Stroheim' could just be someone with a Von Stroheim-like haircut.


Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 6199527)
This area evokes many parts of this thread. The Coronet Theater (first Troubador) and the middle-of-the-road Oil Derrick. But who can forget . . .

The scary man in the photo is comedian Stan Ross, the "I'm With You" guy from the Jonathan Winters show.[/QUOTE]

Lwize May 27, 2015 3:07 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7039929)
A. Bard Mohr Pretzels, 504 Molino Street, Los Angeles. (i can't quite read the smaller words after Mohr and above the S in Pretzels)

Could be a three-digit phone number?

It looks like Phone 706 (or 206)

CityBoyDoug May 27, 2015 3:13 AM


Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 7040229)
Page, that Military academy for "little" boys.

+ + + + + + +

Here are some of the 250 cadets at Page Military Academy in 1925.

Page Academy was known as the ''Big School for Little Boys''.

Miniature soldiers standing at parade rest.

tovangar2 May 27, 2015 4:51 AM

Thx for posting that 1935 shot that includes the long-since-demolished Fox Little Santa Monica entrance building.

Here's an indistinct postcard image of it with the Beverly Hills oil field to the left and some standing sets to the right:

e_r posted a head-on photo of the facade, but I can't find it now. I did a post on the two extant historic buildings on the Fox lot. I can't find that either.

HossC May 27, 2015 9:27 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7039929)

A. Bard Mohr Pretzels, 504 Molino Street, Los Angeles. (i can't quite read the smaller words after Mohr and above the S in Pretzels)

After some more digging, it looks like this photo probably dates from around 1903. Here's a clipping from the January 1, 1903 edition of the Reading Eagle. The January 25, 1903 edition of the Reading Eagle has a piece about A Bard Mohr moving from Pennsylvania to California to bring pretzels to the west coast. Some of the text is missing (hence why I didn't post it), but as far as I can see, his original destination was San Fransisco, before "careful investigation" concluded that Los Angeles would be a better market.

Here's an advert for the company from the 1903 CD. I believe the small text in e_r's original picture says "PHONE 2063" (the "3" runs into the border).

HossC May 27, 2015 11:46 AM

We've visited the 4th Street Cut and the elevated section that joins 4th Street to the Harbor Freeway many times (post #23024 by MichaelRyerson has a lot of info/pictures), but I couldn't resist posting these 1955 Leonard Nadel construction photos. They're all from the "Leonard Nadel photographs of Community Redevelopment Agency projects, 1948-1998" > "Urban Redevelopment Commission, 1949-1955" section. Again, I've listed the subsection/name of negative under the images.

There's a lot of scaffolding in this shot which looks across Flower Street from Figueroa. The Stuart K. Oliver house is on the hill just right of center, and the Barbara Worth is on the far right.
"Parking lots and the Fourth St. ramp, 1955 August 9" > "UR1-1 (negative 1)"

A reverse shot looking towards the Harbor Freeway. The little cabin at the bottom says something like "P & L BODY SHOP" on the side, although it probably wasn't still in business (it's not listed in the 1956 CD). That gap in the elevated section over Figueroa looks perfect for a movie car chase/jump :).
"Parking lots and the Fourth St. ramp, 1955 August 9" > "UR1-8 (negative 11)"

The La Belle, the Gordon, the Bronx, the Zelda, the Sherwood and the Rose Mansion have all gone, but at least there's a new parking lot! The Mutual Garage is visible in the background.
"Parking lots and the Fourth St. ramp, 1955 August 9" > "UR1-3 (negative 6)"

I mentioned the temporary ramp between Flower Street and the 4th Street Cut when I posted Leonard Nadel's Bunker Hill aerial photos at the weekend. Here's a better view. This picture is dated two months after the ones above, and it looks like most of the scaffolding has gone.
"Playgrounds, substandard, poor, and acceptable housing, traffic, and general views, 1955 October 18" > "BH2-135a (negative 18)"

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