You guys don't get it.

Spot zoning gives the city all the power. They don't want development to be too easy, otherwise there's no give and take. It's not necessarily graft/corruption... just a check to make sure it's clear who's in charge.

Grovel first. Donate second. Build third.

That's the dumbest take ever because the city approves nearly everything.

Here is a link to the rendering from the article:

https://media.bizj.us/view/img/12282...4835-362-0.jpg

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...partments.html

There we GO! as land becomes more expensive downtown the quality of the projects improve (As does the scale)

You can't get the high-level design without filling in the empty lots with chaff first.


Cant wait for the next big cycle of office development we can probably look at gettign some new quality Office towers maybe even a new tallest. :tup:

Sorry fellas! Hate to burst everyone's bubble but please pay close attention to the caption beneath the rendering:

"This rendering shows an example of the type of apartment towers that Mainstreet Capital Partners has proposed at one of its projects in Fort Lauderdale, Florida."

Maybe we get lucky and get something close to that. However, looking at their website, that's the only tower they list. Not sure if it has even broken ground yet...

https://www.mainstreetcapital.com/featuredassets

Oops sorry. Hard to pay close attention as I didn't have enough time to read the caption below the rendering as you know, PBJ goes poof pretty quickly if you're not a subscriber.

So, the renderings that were shown by submitted to the city by Shepley Bullfinch are the same renderings I had posted several months ago:

https://www.phoenix.gov/pddsite/Docu...TA-10-23-7.pdf

If going by the renderings, the roof height is 325' with the overall height including parapet and screening coming out to 339'.

I had no idea this was happening.

Source: Phoenix Business Journal: https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...expansion.html

The city is soliciting for an RFP at 32 E. Columbus Ave for a mixed-use development. Seems like Midtown has cooled after the onslaught of residential on Central a few years ago. Hopefully, this along with the proposed Central Park development and adjacent development across the street means a new slew of Midtown development coming in the next couple of years.

https://solicitations.phoenix.gov/So...s/Details/1723

Not surprised this has happened. Light rail expansion south - the Rio Salado project to revitalize the Salt River through the valley - this was certainly bound to happen. Question is - will they also alter building height limits within this area? I could see them trying to drive downtown south to the river so they can entice some river side development like in Tempe.

Also interesting they show SR-30 connecting to the Durango Curve (I-17). I wasn't sure that was for certain yet.

This is dope. Finally some development along grand Ave.

Seems strange not to include everything between the 17 and SR 51.

I dont mind it going up to Thomas but I think Midtown should remain its own "thing" it has a nice bit of its own momentum right now.

Also Going that far south is kinda pointless again id rather it go west than south.

Its certainly planned. Not certain in when it will get built.

It's also incredibly stupid to include established neighborhoods like Encanto Palmcroft and Willo who could sabotage this plan. There's literally no benefit to including them in an expanded CBD.

City staff presented on this at the January Downtown Voices Coalition meeting. Under state law, any CBDs used for planning purposes must be rectangular in shape. They can't have irregular borders or exempt enclaves. That said, I highly doubt the city will try to encourage intensive development within those historic districts.

For the expanded areas of an existing central business district only and the new designation of a central business district formed on or after January 1, 2018 and for the purposes of this subdivision, "geographically compact" means a form or shape that has a length that is not more than twice its width as measured from at least four points on the exterior boundary of the expanded areas of an existing central business district or a central business district formed on or after January 1, 2018.

https://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?...s/42/06209.htm

It's too bad that it's at the bottom of a long list of a bunch of regional projects because that interchange and connection to the west side is the single biggest thing the region could do for economic development in southwest Phoenix and also a massive relief to I-10.

What could possibly be the justification for a required shape LMAO?????

How absurd

Because developments within the CBD are also eligible for GPLETs which is why the city is doing this and once it's done is going to be absolutely huge for development. But GPLETs at the end of the day harm school districts by taking the property off the tax rolls, and they need recourse that the intent of the GPLET incentive program isn't mangled by gerrymandering.

It's totally reasonable that the cities should have some kind of oversight here through properly written legislation.

Thats stupid. I dont care about schools :cheers:

I think this is related to the controversy over GPLETs that arose around the time of the lawsuit filed by Mat Englehorn (owner of Angel's Trumpet) and the Goldwater Institute against the GPLET for the Derby. The legislature wanted to limit the use of GPLETs, and constraining the boundaries of CBDs is one way to do that.

https://www.cavanaghlaw.com/wp-conte...ET-Reforms.pdf