Looks like the Seargeant-Oldaker house is back on-track to be moved. This time to a yet-to-be announced spot in Roosevelt Row. Once moved, the home will be utilized as restaurant space. The article doesn't have much info, but does state that a multi-use development is in the works for the current spot.

Can't wait to see what's announced. The lot is small at 21,000sq ft. So hopefully something taller is in the works :tup:

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Yep I had reported this a while back.

But read the article again, it’s literally being moved in the SAME parcel lol whatever they build onsite will be really skinny so may work out

Yeah, it's just going to be moved to a different spot on the same lot. I'd imagine it'll go to the northwest corner of the lot. Sounds pretty good to me in all honesty. Keep a nice old house basically in the same place for a restaurant space (reuse of historic houses for restaurants is always nicer with better ambience than in a sterile new development ground floor space), while allowing for the site to be developed - hopefully in a manner that lends to some height.
12-15 floors seems like it would fit in nicely with the house and the area.

Now that Central Station is nearing completion...a water feature...and/or fountain would look very nice in that park.

The city's not going to build a water feature when, water and environmental issues aside, they're just a nuisance and a liability when you have homeless and drug addicts downtown in pretty much any number. They closed the one in Patriots Square Park because of the same issue which has gotten *much* worse in the many years since. Granted, PSP was not a popular park nor had any semblance of security, but the issue remains. I don't see a private developer bothering for the same reason.

Besides, the parks department is already loathe or otherwise doesn't have the money to water and maintain the parks it does have to deal with. The city is so extensively pockmarked with such pathetic browning fields and spartan trees that are hardly worthy of being called parks most of the year. Parks are being closed precisely because of homeless issues like University Park and Woodland Park. It's a miracle they've kept up Civic Space Park, but I think a lot of that funding comes from ASU.

(tbf, university park is not fully closed yet but the city considers the homeless there to be quite the nuisance and are reluctant to open it back up in the day time.)

I must've missed it. I was under the impression the home was to get moved a couple blocks west? Wasn't another location originally chosen? As for the space, the lot is a good 6,000sq ft larger than Derby's lot. So there's still potential there ;)

Get off your lawn? Seriously, there are lots of places that have water as a feature. I agree about the parks being taken over, but there are ways to do it that don't look like Fountain Hills. ASU just built some nice cooling streams through some of their new building landscaping, and they have lots of homeless that never bother to go there because of the design. I remember Patriot Park. Hell...I used to run around there in my young adult life before the takeover, and the large pads of grass to crash on and dark spots to do dirty deeds are the biggest issue. Hanse Park has zero fountains (minimal water spray that occasionally turns on--but I've only ever seen one homeless person trying to get water from it), and it struggles. It's the "ingest-and-crash" pieces of the puzzle keep attracting the bad actors. It's not water (and, no, you don't have to use much to have a 'feature.'

There's a splash pad in Civic Space Park -- or at least there used to be. I haven't seen it running in a long time. I remember one of my children loving to splash there back when they had regularly scheduled free concerts in that space -- before it was surrendered to vagrancy.

The conversation was initially about a very large fountain, so my brain went to something on that scale.

Obviously a water feature that doesn't have a drowning or bathing potential isn't a problem.

Something similar to Chicago’s Crown Fountain in Millennium Park would work.

Phoenix is just as great as any other city. The city is making a statement with all the ambitions and growth of its downtown. You couldn't pay me to live in Chicago - with all its problems - and they have bigger ones than Phoenix ...including the homeless, etc. Yet, Chicago has the Buckingham Fountain - and it seems to "work." Communities need to stand up to these issues and fight them. Or, downtown Phoenix won't grow to what you want it to be.


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Yeah the original spot where the house was supposed to be relocated to was the city owned lot on 5th Ave (south of The Teapot). Metrowest Development was chosen as part of the RFP.

I guess it ended it being too expensive to move so MetroWest backed out and new developer took it over. I heard from a source who is involved that they have doubts this developer can pull it off but we shall see.

That lot is huge and the house is in an awkward position in the center. Moving it absolutely makes sense--anything to keep it alive. I've always been afraid of that one burning.

This is the old auto shop on the NE corner of Central and Garfield. Originally, the development was proposed to include elements of the shop. But it looks like this will now be a clean slate without any of the auto shop being re-used. This is the same company behind Rainbow and Manzana and they will be going for a height limit increase from 250' to 325'.

:cheers:

Source: Phoenix Business Journal: https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...partments.html

This development company will be Mainstreet Capital Partners. Manzana/Rainbow is Intersection Development. But 325' in this area is amazing.

Ah. I misread the article. Thanks for pointing it out :)

Ah no worries. I missed it too then I had to re-read it. I got excited for a while and had hope for the Central/Roosevelt lot to see some great height there.

I guess it does directly impact this lot as well since if the zoning change goes through, that Central/Roosevelt lot can go higher than the current 250' allowed there. :cheers:

Too bad they didn't go for this before Saiya got built. I wonder if Saiya would've been built taller if it wasn't currently capped at 250'?

I really standby that with these piecemeal height increase requests, the city needs to just look at an overall height zoning amendment to the area. This will be the 3rd request for a height increase and there's really no need for a 250' limit in the area any longer. The character of the Evans-Churchill/Roosevelt Row area has changed dramatically in the last few years.

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The density limits have especially been problematic for downtown and are the epitome of bad planning when literally everything has to be spot zoned. They need to be dropped entirely.