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combusean Nov 14, 2023 5:15 PM

That cost doubled from last year.

I suppose they forgot to include FF&E, which often happens with local governments.

MiEncanto Nov 14, 2023 8:13 PM

Would it have been cheaper to tear down the old one and build something new? This seems pretty expensive.

combusean Nov 14, 2023 8:27 PM

There's something very wrong when an initial estimate is off by this much money regardless of whether it was cheaper to build anew.

I don't have enough good/consistent information to compare the projects but the County Attorney's renovation looks to have been done for much less money per sqft and they look to have started with much less, but is competitive with the brand new Sheriff's headquarters so it's very difficult to say. The 100 W Washington St is ideal given how close it is to the existing city and county stuff and building anew wouldn't have been feasible on that site.

CrestedSaguaro Nov 14, 2023 8:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 10080823)
Would it have been cheaper to tear down the old one and build something new? This seems pretty expensive.

No kidding. That's the cost of a shiny new tower. I'm sure there's going to be some flack about spending that much on a tower renovation.

Edit: Also, I hope that includes exterior renovations as well and not just interior? No offense, but I hate brutalist architecture and the former Wells-Fargo building is no exception. I used to work there when I first moved here. Hated it :yuck:

combusean Nov 14, 2023 8:51 PM

I'm also trying to figure out where the city found $224 million to do this as well. This is the largest infrastructure project in memory and the funding sources seem nebulous compared to past things like ASU, City Hall, and the Convention Center, all of which were ballot proposals.

honeybadger32 Nov 14, 2023 9:30 PM

The Henry Uptown Plaza Central & Camelback. Applebee's location?
 
Plan Review: PRDV-230217

combusean Nov 14, 2023 9:40 PM

Yeah, that looks to be the case ... Parcel Division permit... the current Uptown Plaza, applebee's and all, is one parcel.

MiEncanto Nov 14, 2023 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 10080855)
No kidding. That's the cost of a shiny new tower. I'm sure there's going to be some flack about spending that much on a tower renovation.

Edit: Also, I hope that includes exterior renovations as well and not just interior? No offense, but I hate brutalist architecture and the former Wells-Fargo building is no exception. I used to work there when I first moved here. Hated it :yuck:

Lol you're not offending anyone with that critique. It's absolutely horrendous so hopefully it's a complete overhaul.

combusean Nov 14, 2023 11:00 PM

It definitely doesn't include exterior renovations, there are renderings of the completed project looking the same.

I actually think 100 West looks fine and is a good example of the International Style... it's not brutalist (and i like brutalist too!)

ASU Diablo Nov 15, 2023 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by honeybadger32 (Post 10080926)
Plan Review: PRDV-230217

Yep, confirmed. The Henry coming to Uptown Plaza. What I cannot tell from the article or renderings posted is WHERE it will go? I guess it's possible it may be taking over the Applebee's but then it says:

"The restaurant will be a true addition to the plaza, with a newly constructed space built specifically for The Henry, complete with an indoor and outdoor cocktail bar, a centerpiece fireplace and an open kitchen."

I guess Applebee's can get knocked down and new build over it. The renderings appear to be fronting either Central or Camelback so if not taking over the existing Applebee's location, I guess it can go in one of the parking lot spots N or E of the Applebee's.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/rest...-2024-17556849

exit2lef Nov 16, 2023 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo (Post 10081903)
The renderings appear to be fronting either Central or Camelback so if not taking over the existing Applebee's location, I guess it can go in one of the parking lot spots N or E of the Applebee's.

One of the renderings shows someone pedaling in a bike lane right outside the restaurant. That would suggest the restaurant is going to be located along Central, rather than Camelback. The former has bike lanes; the latter does not.

ASU Diablo Nov 16, 2023 3:25 PM

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Originally Posted by exit2lef (Post 10082144)
One of the renderings shows someone pedaling in a bike lane right outside the restaurant. That would suggest the restaurant is going to be located along Central, rather than Camelback. The former has bike lanes; the latter does not.

Good catch! And there you go...PBJ article confirms it will be replacing the Applebee's that's currently there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...a-phoenix.html

MiEncanto Nov 16, 2023 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo (Post 10082260)
Good catch! And there you go...PBJ article confirms it will be replacing the Applebee's that's currently there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...a-phoenix.html

Wow, weren't we just talking about how there needs to be more The Henry? I feel vindicated. I think it will do well there.

I do feel bad for all the low-middle income folks in central Phx who will lose their Applebees, though it's great for me I never go there even though I live nearby. Places like Denny's (Jenny's) always seem full while higher end places seem to struggle sometimes.

PHX31 Nov 16, 2023 6:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 10082391)
Wow, weren't we just talking about how there needs to be more The Henry? I feel vindicated. I think it will do well there.

I do feel bad for all the low-middle income folks in central Phx who will lose their Applebees, though it's great for me I never go there even though I live nearby. Places like Denny's (Jenny's) always seem full while higher end places seem to struggle sometimes.

Applebee's doesn't fit at all into Uptown Plaza any more and I'm not sad to see it go. When I used to live near 7th St in Coronado, I always thought that legacy Coco's on the SWC of 7th St/Monte Vista was totally out of place and almost never seemed to have more than 2 tables full, while the newer "hip" places that line that corridor always had more action. And now I just looked it up and it appears that Coco's has closed.

Obadno Nov 17, 2023 5:16 PM

New development in Eastlake park, maybe this one will finally work !

https://azbex.com/planning-developme...ntown-phoenix/

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Owner Berry Holdings is planning a mixed-use development with 200 multifamily units and a 150-room hotel on South 13th Street between Washington and Jefferson streets in Phoenix.

The Eastlake Park Mixed-use proposal also calls for ground floor restaurant and retail in each of the two buildings, as well as an attached six-level parking garage on the west side of the property.

Both buildings are planned for eight levels. Building 1 would have a footprint of 25.9KSF and a total area of 181.6KSF. Building 2 is planned with a 15.4KSF footprint and 108.1KSF total area.

The owner has requested a rezoning from commercial with an interim transit-oriented overlay and multifamily/residential infill district with an interim transit-oriented overlay to Walkable Urban Code with a historic preservation overlay for the Greenlee-Hammond House/Virgil J. Berry Real Estate & Insurance Agency at 1321 E. Washington St.

The staff report for the requests notes, “The site is within 400 feet of the 12th Street / Washington Street / Jefferson Street light rail stations and is within the Eastlake-Garfield Transit-Oriented Development (TOD) Policy Plan area.”

The report says most of the site has been identified for redevelopment under the current land use plan and that “the master plan land use map identifies the portion west of 13th Street as mixed-use residential (office, residential, retail) and the portion east of 13th Street as single-family residential because of the smaller developable lots.”

The current proposal, however, plans to demolish the site’s buildings except for the one saved under the historic overlay and assemble the properties for mid-rise development similar to the rest of the development in the surrounding area of Washington and Jefferson. Given that the planned site is a block from a light rail station, staff found the additional density appropriate for the location.

Building 1 will be west of 13th Street with 10KSF of ground floor retail and 200 apartments, with frontage on 13th, Washington and Jefferson. Building 2 will be east of 13th and feature a 150-room hotel with 3KSF of ground floor retail and frontage on 13th and Washington streets.

The building to be preserved is of particular prominence both in terms of its architecture and its place in Phoenix’s African American history. The property was designed by architect C. Louis Kelley, who designed some of the city’s top residences in the 1920s. The home was built for Dr. Nello Birtpath Greenlee, an African American surgeon who was restricted in his housing choices due to segregation. The home was later purchased by musician and civic affairs leader Wade H. Hammond and eventually by local businessman Virgil “Jackie” Berry, who used it as an office for his Virgil J. Berry Real Estate and Insurance Agency.

In reviewing the proposal and requests, planning staff found they are consistent with the General Plan land use designation and the Eastlake-Garfield TOD Policy Plan vision for the site, will develop an underutilized site with acceptable mixed-use offerings, offer enhanced walkability and bicycle amenities and simultaneously meet the requirements for the historic preservation overlay.

The Phoenix Central Village Planning Committee reviewed the requests this week, and the Historic Preservation Commission will discuss them Nov. 20. The Planning Commission will hold a hearing Dec. 7.
https://azbex.com/wp-content/uploads...-Park-MU-2.jpg

muertecaza Nov 17, 2023 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 10083198)
New development in Eastlake park, maybe this one will finally work !

https://azbex.com/planning-developme...ntown-phoenix/

Here's the rezoning packet for the project:

https://www.phoenix.gov/pddsite/Docu...PZ/Z-52-23.pdf

locolife Nov 23, 2023 3:55 AM

The gap between downtown and midtown has filled in a lot in the last 5 or so year.

https://i.imgur.com/Vx39wAmh.jpeg

KEVINphx Nov 23, 2023 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 10082391)
Wow, weren't we just talking about how there needs to be more The Henry? I feel vindicated. I think it will do well there.

I do feel bad for all the low-middle income folks in central Phx who will lose their Applebees, though it's great for me I never go there even though I live nearby. Places like Denny's (Jenny's) always seem full while higher end places seem to struggle sometimes.

Higher end places do not struggle anywhere Central and East Phoenix . . . go to any desirable restaurant between Wednesday evening and Sunday during the cool season.

Applebees sucks - glad to see it go, sorry if anyone lost a job or long time hangout place with memories, I can appreciate that - but it adds nothing to the culinary experience of the city.

jmcmahon Nov 23, 2023 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo (Post 10082260)
Good catch! And there you go...PBJ article confirms it will be replacing the Applebee's that's currently there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...a-phoenix.html

I thought The Henry would be a nice multi-story hotel or new residential tower.

But no, it's another 1-story building.

Oh well. It should fit in nicely with the revamped Uptown Plaza.

combusean Nov 23, 2023 11:46 PM

The above is not development news. No more.


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