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Noir_Noir Mar 5, 2018 4:17 PM

Thought I'd post this picture because a portion of it reminded me of a portion of Ethereal_reality's last mystery picture.

https://i.imgur.com/HCq1qCT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MPOQi12.jpg

I was thinking "Eureka!" for a second or two. :yes: :no: :)


Anyway it's labelled a view of Hollywood from Yamashiro (Bernheimer Mansion) in 1912.


Here's another view of Hollywood from the mansion. This one from 1929.

https://i.imgur.com/OOufuRV.jpg

Houses of Los Angeles, 1885-1919 - issuu

HossC Mar 5, 2018 5:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8107944)

I'm going to go for a 1928/29 Auburn. This 1929 Auburn 8-120 Convertible Sedan is a pretty close match. It has an estimated sale price of $120,000 - $160,000.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...929Auburn1.jpg
www.rmsothebys.com

odinthor Mar 5, 2018 5:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8106993)
[...]
https://i.imgur.com/zsBTEl0.jpg

That's grandma Elva as a Mack Sennett Bathing Beauty, seen with Keystone Teddy, the Sennett dog, and star in his own right.

Some Teddy links:

http://normanstudios.org/blog/2017/0...s-best-friend/
https://ladailymirror.com/2015/07/06...s-best-friend/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_(dog)

Thanks, Scott Charles; I thoroughly enjoy Mack Sennett productions. In the future, when watching one, I'll look for your grandma!

For fans of Teddy (as well as fans of Gloria Swanson, fans of Wallace Beery, and/or fans of Bobby Vernon getting out of a bathtub and dancing):

Video Link

Martin Pal Mar 5, 2018 6:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 8108018)
I didn't really drink much there in the early Eighties because I had to drive back to the campus, and I never drink when I sing, [...]

THis reminds me of the joke:

"I'd rather hear you sing than go drink. I've heard you drink." :cheers:

Lomara Mar 5, 2018 9:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8107475)
Thanks Lomara. I'm so glad it still says 'Casa de Estudios' above the front entrance.

HERE ARE THE TWO PICS SIDE BY SIDE
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/kAJ5Xe.pnghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/OG0Fus.jpg



Let's step back and take a look at the whole place.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/DCUHXD.jpg
GSV

I'm somewhat surprised by the underground parking.
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You and me both! I don't think I've seen an apartment building in California with underground parking that dates this far back.

I'm annoyed that I forgot to check historical googleview for a better shot of the front. You got great views without trees blocking everything. I can see the tiles on the steps have changed, likely due to 90 years of toes kicking them going up and down the steps. I'm most impressed that it appears the original door is still there. If that's not the original door, then they must have salvaged the wrought iron from it for a replacement.

ethereal_reality Mar 6, 2018 3:09 AM

Louis Fleckenstein landscape
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 8107986)

The hills make me think of the Eagle Rock Valley. So perhaps Mr. Fleckenstein was on the hill above Las Colinas looking down towards Eagle Rock Blvd.

I agree, Fleckenstein's landscape does resemble the Eagle Rock Valley.

And remember ScottyB, Fleckenstein lived in Eagle Rock in 1918. (but I don't know how long he lived there)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/pSgDyQ.jpg

All that said & done...
I wasn't able to match any of the buildings in Fleckenstein's landscape with any buildings along Las Colina or the surrounding area.
:(
___________________________




update: I just rechecked the city directories.

ONE directory [1908] lists his residence in Sierra Madre.
*
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/3vWDfL.jpg

So Sierra Madre might be a possible location of Fleckenstein's mystery landscape.
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*the majoritiy of the directories have Fleckenstein's studio at 233 S Broadway. (and omits the residence)

ethereal_reality Mar 6, 2018 3:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8108219)

https://s18.postimg.org/4vc8y7wq1/Eureka.jpg

I was thinking "Eureka!" for a second or two. :yes: :no: :)

I thought of that photograph too Noir Noir.....but nope, not a match.

John Maddox Roberts Mar 6, 2018 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lomara (Post 8108631)
You and me both! I don't think I've seen an apartment building in California with underground parking that dates this far back.

I'm annoyed that I forgot to check historical googleview for a better shot of the front. You got great views without trees blocking everything. I can see the tiles on the steps have changed, likely due to 90 years of toes kicking them going up and down the steps. I'm most impressed that it appears the original door is still there. If that's not the original door, then they must have salvaged the wrought iron from it for a replacement.

The lamp on the left seems to be the same. If so, it's an amazing survival. It looks like the most fragile object in the pictures.

ethereal_reality Mar 6, 2018 3:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8107568)
Your suspicion is right, e_r, about the flowers not belonging to the bush: I'm thinking a clump of Ismene 'Festalis' is hiding under the bush:

I see what your saying. So they flowered at the top of the bush and then died and broke away from the vine.

OR, the 'White Spider Lillies' were in bloom at Spahn Ranch and were intentionally left as a CLUE.

https://imageshack.com/a/img924/5179/YY06hF.gif
GIPHY

ethereal_reality Mar 6, 2018 3:53 AM

LOMARA and John Maddox Roberts.

Here are two buildings that caught my eye on Fleckenstein's block. (E. 3rd St]



OLIVE COURT - 1538 E 3rd St. [built 1922]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Yd6PYX.jpg
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closer look at the entry arch. [THERE'S AN APARTMENT ABOVE IT....WHICH IS FAIRLY UNUSUAL
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/BdOwJe.jpg
DETAIL



and this one...because it looks kinda' haunted. [no details] yet

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/O5MSa4.jpg

none of the older buildings have underground parking like Casa de Estudios.

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ethereal_reality Mar 6, 2018 6:44 AM

I happened upon this amateur snapshot a few days ago.

"1932 Los Angeles West Hollywood Century Cactus" EBAY

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/3pNljX.png

WRITTEN ON THE BACK

"Century Cactus in Parsonage lot Cor. Harratt and Clark St West Hollywood, Aug 20, 1932."
"The Stalk has made its entire growth this season"

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ethereal_reality Mar 6, 2018 6:59 AM

One more for tonight.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/CYMvqk.jpg
DETAIL

At first I thought this might be the famous El Aliso, but El Aliso was a Sycamore. I'd really like to know where this tree is located. (or was located)



Here's the entire ad [no date]
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/mFO5aL.jpg
old file/

But the ad doesn't tell us where this land is located.:shrug:

Do you think there's any way of finding out?

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The ad says 'write for a booklet', should I try it? ;)

Scott Charles Mar 6, 2018 11:21 AM

The Dresden Room, on Vermont
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 8108018)
I was an habitué of the Dresden Room in the early Eighties, as a USC student, and sang with Marty and Elayne in the period of about 1988-1992 or '93. I didn't really drink much there in the early Eighties because I had to drive back to the campus, and I never drink when I sing, so I didn't get to know any of the bartenders.

Marty and Elayne were very nice and quite supportive when I sang with them, and I too hope they hold forth there for many years to come.

It sounds like you were leaving the Dresden right about the same time as I started showing up there, Otis. I knew several of the bartenders very well, as a few were professional photographers in their off-hours, and I was working as a photographer, too. We did a number of photography jobs together, so I figured I'd ask you, just to see if you knew any of my old friends there.

Johnny just retired. Gabe, sadly, passed away recently - he had cancer and by the time he found out he had it, it was too late to do anything about it. He owned the most tricked-out, "Love Machine" style van you could ever imagine. Evan moved away. Laurence is the last guy still working from those days (silly picture, he's dressed up for a friend's music video).

Marty and Elayne haven't changed one bit, other than the inevitable aging that we all go through. That said, neither of them has lost any of their chops, they are still playing just as great as in the old days.

https://i.imgur.com/AhiNg7Z.pngLINK

The original owners of the Dresden, Carl and Sara Ferraro:
https://i.imgur.com/QSoe1DB.jpg

A bit of the menu from 1956 - prime rib sandwich, only a dollar twenty-five!
https://i.imgur.com/2iW3FFq.png

Phones available at every booth!
https://i.imgur.com/pBFzL6S.png

Above photos from http://thedresdenroom.blogspot.com/

I don't know whether you ever ate at the Dresden, Otis, but the food there is really good, too. GQ magazine named it one of the top five places to dine in LA.

The Dresden has been featured in a number of movies, such as Swingers and The Two Jakes (which you can read about here).

https://i.imgur.com/Qj2cjSz.jpgLINK
Jack Nickolson at the Dresden in The Two Jakes.

Lastly, here is the Dresden from a post made here by HossC:

https://i.imgur.com/X05g12z.jpg

Detail of above photo:
https://i.imgur.com/0K0Pxx7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UcWus5g.jpgGSV
I wish the old facade was still on the building, I like it much more! That said, the interior of the bar is virtually completely unchanged.

I'm sure if you go back you'll have a great time!

:)

Scott Charles Mar 6, 2018 12:25 PM

Sorry for the late response, people - I was busy collecting my Oscar. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8107380)
Scott (as you must've read in many areas of this thread) many personal anecdotes and photos have been posted here that aren't architecturally related, but of those who've experienced those things and have a history with them.

It all adds context. I find I remember more about the photos where someone has had a personal or family connection to them and I can relate an actual person to them, like some of Odinthor's recent photo's or the ones CBD and E_R have posted. I remember some personal stories of those who have visited certain department stores, nightclubs and eating establishments, simply because they wrote of their experience there or have a photo of themselves or a family member who had. I don't think I am speaking for myself, when I say, don't hesitate to post something if you want to. It's all good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mstimc (Post 8107920)
I agree! What makes noir noir is more than just the buildings--its the people who lived, worked, partied and sometimes died in them. The only photo I've managed to post here was of Echo Park in 1929. What makes the picture meaningful (at least to me) is that my 9-year-old mother and her three-year-old cousin are posing in it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8107953)
Absolutely--we're experiencing not only the buildings but also the emotional and social environment of the streetscape and landscape, the city as a whole...really the only way to understand any of these. And so ephemera, family snapshots, advertisements, newspaper articles, cars, beer bottles--anything that played a part in the lives of Angelenos helps us to understand what it was and what it is to be an Angeleno.

So :tup: to e_r for creating a really special place where we truly get to the heart of L.A.!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 8108020)
I am utterly charmed by this photo of your grandmother, and am grateful that you posted it. It is a marvelous contribution to this thread, and I hope you post more like it.

I'm going to go out on a limb to say that this thread is one of the most magnificent corners of the Internet. It should be backed up every night and preserved by the Library of Congress, for it is an invaluable resource. I can't count how many times someone has posted a photo showing a curb and an outbuilding and some mountains in the background, and within 24 hours at the outside someone has identified the location.

The members of this thread, collectively, are the memory of this great city, and the longer it gets, the more completely the history of Los Angeles is recorded.

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8108314)
Thanks, Scott Charles; I thoroughly enjoy Mack Sennett productions. In the future, when watching one, I'll look for your grandma!

Thanks you guys! (please forgive me for not quoting every response).

The only thing different here is that most of you are referring to family photos taken at "certain department stores, nightclubs and eating establishments" - most of my family photos lack even that context, as the majority of them were taken on studio sound stages.

But if it's not too much of a diversion, I'll post some of my old family pictures in my next post - I'll have to wade through what I have to pick the best photos I've got.

:)

Earl Boebert Mar 6, 2018 2:49 PM

Re: The Dresden Room: Barry Weiss visits there and chats with Marty and Elayne in an early episode of the "Storage Wars" show.

Cheers,

Earl

odinthor Mar 6, 2018 4:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8109145)
I happened upon this amateur snapshot a few days ago.

"1932 Los Angeles West Hollywood Century Cactus" EBAY

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/3pNljX.png

WRITTEN ON THE BACK

"Century Cactus in Parsonage lot Cor. Harratt and Clark St West Hollywood, Aug 20, 1932."
"The Stalk has made its entire growth this season"

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Agave americana, I think. Yes, it is amazing how quickly the Agave flower stalk grows. If memory serves, I measured one of mine (another species) at seven inches of growth in a day. (I used to grow Agaves from seed.) They're fun! . . . until you have to dig them out (they're monocarpic--the whole plant slowly dies after bloom, though many species produce offsets), leaving you looking as if you've been in a fight with a cat because of the stickers along the edges of the leaves (not evident in the pic above).

odinthor Mar 6, 2018 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8109152)
One more for tonight.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/CYMvqk.jpg
DETAIL

At first I thought this might be the famous El Aliso, but El Aliso was a Sycamore. I'd really like to know where this tree is located. (or was located)



Here's the entire ad [no date]
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/mFO5aL.jpg
old file/

But the ad doesn't tell us where this land is located.:shrug:

Do you think there's any way of finding out?

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The ad says 'write for a booklet', should I try it? ;)

I gave it a try (um, figuring out the site of the tree, not writing for the booklet), but I don't think the tree I found is the above tree (plus your bonus for ordering now! another Los Angeles tree in a book, probably not the booklet referred to in the above ad):

https://s26.postimg.org/fkzizyfzd/TreesLA.jpg

And here we have 20th and Compton, where a Moreton Bay Fig is conspicuous . . . ly absent:

https://s26.postimg.org/llx7x1i15/20thCom1.jpg
gsv

https://s26.postimg.org/z2u6fx7s9/20thCom3.jpg
gsv

https://s26.postimg.org/kwefkpzi1/20thCom2.jpg
gsv

https://s26.postimg.org/n0ysltoa1/20thCom4.jpg
gsv

And, as for "another tree of the same species" on Cedar St. in Glendale, Mr. Google obligingly took me for a spin down said street, without any result, except the sight of this nice domicile at or about 123 N. Cedar:

https://s26.postimg.org/ngenszrzt/123n_Cedar.jpg
gsv

John Maddox Roberts Mar 6, 2018 7:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8109467)
Agave americana, I think. Yes, it is amazing how quickly the Agave flower stalk grows. If memory serves, I measured one of mine (another species) at seven inches of growth in a day. (I used to grow Agaves from seed.) They're fun! . . . until you have to dig them out (they're monocarpic--the whole plant slowly dies after bloom, though many species produce offsets), leaving you looking as if you've been in a fight with a cat because of the stickers along the edges of the leaves (not evident in the pic above).

I bought three desert agaves about 12 years ago and last summer one of them bloomed. When I first noticed it, the stalk was already 6' high and it hadn't even been there a few days before. It grew to about 12' and started to bend over from the weight of the flowers and developing seeds. Then it died and I haven't worked up the courage to yank it out. It's like handling a buzzsaw.

Scott Charles Mar 6, 2018 7:36 PM

I hope I'm not sharing too much, but I stumbled across some photos of my parents while gathering up the "silent movie" stuff, and as they relate more directly to LA itself, I figured I'd post them here.

Like many Japanese Americans after World War II, my mother lived briefly at the Evergreen Hostel at 506 North Evergreen Avenue in Boyle Heights.

https://i.imgur.com/Umz1k0t.jpgLINK

I was sure I'd read about the Evergreen Hostel earlier in this thread, but I couldn't find the post (if it exists).

The building still stands, and can be seen here on Google Maps. Here's a good article about the hostel: http://encyclopedia.densho.org/Evergreen_Hostel/

Upon leaving the hostel after two months, my mother got a job at the City News Service. I looked in the CD and found this:

https://i.imgur.com/qBRfz15.jpgLINK

https://i.imgur.com/2NaToeX.jpgLINK

It seems that the City News Service was located right between the Broadway Christian Church (seen here) and the "Clifton House", which I've never seen a photo of.

My mom on the far right. Not yet married, she was still Mary Kitano. The door says "City News Service of Los Angeles". Note the headline:
https://i.imgur.com/NAfEljk.jpgLINK
Quote:

ABOVE: Mary Kitano from Manzanar works for City New Service in Los Angeles. Holding the paper is Betty Lyou, Korean; next to her, her husband, Rodney Voight, manager of City News Service, a Caucasian; then Miss Fusako Takemoto and Miss Mary Kitano, both Nisei. Photographer: Mace, Charles E.
https://i.imgur.com/iZXX4Ys.jpgLINK
Quote:

ABOVE: Mary Kitano from Manzanar and her fellow-workers on the staff of the City News Service. Left to right: Betty Lyou, Korean; Fusako Takemoto, Nisei (never in Centers), seated; Mary Kitano back of her; Vera Haprov and Mary Planin, both Russians.

Mary Kitano just received a $25 check from Readers Digest for a picturesque patter item, and also has a commission to write for Now magazine. City News Service has 15 reporters, covering metropolitan Los Angeles for nearby small-city papers. Mary reads and finds news items in over 100 papers. A Chinese rewrite man and three Russian girls also work there. Mary was hired first, then brought her chum Fusako Takemoto, who was also hired. Photographer: Mace, Charles E.
The following photo was taken inside of the Pan-Pacific Auditorium:
https://i.imgur.com/HDFrlhp.jpgOnline Archive of California
My mom is the second from the left. The back of the photo reads:

Quote:

ABOVE: Date: 1945-09-06

Booth at the Pan-Pacific Industrial Exposition, Los Angeles, California, sponsored by Friends of the American Way, Council for Civic Unity, Fair Play Committee, W.R.A. and other organizations interested in returnees and in combating racism.

Left to right: Mrs. Sylvia Leventhal, of B'nai B'rith Women, L.A. Miss Mary Kitano, newspaper woman with City News Service, L.A. She is formerly from Manzanar. Col. H. A. Finch, U.S. Army, retired, active officer of Friends of the American Way, Pasadena. Miss Eva Lee, American of Chinese descent, of International Institute, L.A. Miss Mary Suzuki of W.R.A. Area Office, L.A. She is formerly of Manzanar.

Photographer: Iwasaki, Hikaru
In 1947 my mother started working for the Los Angeles Daily News (where she met my father), located at Pico and Los Angeles Street.

https://i.imgur.com/bUOX29v.jpgLINK
Quote:

The Los Angeles Daily News, published by Manchester Boddy, was the self-proclaimed "only Democratic newspaper west of the Rockies." An oversized tabloid---peach colored---it boasted the most free-spirited staff in L.A. newspaper history---from young rewrite man Jack Smith to sports editor Ned Cronin and columnist Matt Weinstock. It is pictured here, at the corner of Pico and Los Angeles Streets, in the early 1940s.
The building still stands, and can be seen below on Google Maps:
https://i.imgur.com/AUqjHSc.jpgGSV

https://i.imgur.com/4k4drL2.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/mQdnjHb.jpgLINK

My mom at the Daily News:
https://i.imgur.com/THTSM7A.jpgLINK
Quote:

ABOVE: Here the versatile Mary Kitano cuts either a birthday or going-away cake for the Daily Newsies, circa 1950. Note the numerous women employed at the paper.

Also note: The seated fellow in the center is David Kenyon Webster, who was a copyboy and reporter at the Daily News from '49 through '52. He was also the author who wrote a book about his World War II experiences, Parachute Infantry: An American Paratrooper's Memoir of D-Day and the Fall of the Third Reich. Webster's letters and manuscript were used as source material by Stephen Ambrose for his book Band of Brothers, and as background for the writers of HBO's ten-part miniseries, "Band of Brothers."
While my mother worked for the Daily News, my father worked for United Press - known today as United Press International, or UPI - the offices of which were located in the same building as the Daily News. The following photo is from around the same time (though clearly not in the same building, as the arched windows don't match the rectangular windows of the Daily News building):

https://i.imgur.com/jyvz1bO.jpgfamily photo

As a final image, here is my mother working as a fashion model at Ciro's (she's holding up a hand mirror):

https://i.imgur.com/OxC77a1.jpg
http://www.janm.org/collections/item/96.267.27/

My mother actually won the "Miss Compton" beauty pageant at some point. I've got a great photo of her, sitting in a car in a parade, as Miss Compton, but it's somewhere in storage.

PS: If you'd care to read an interview with my parents about the early days of LA newspapers, you can read it here. I find it really interesting, but I'm probably not the most neutral of critics in this case!

HossC Mar 6, 2018 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8109567)

I gave it a try (um, figuring out the site of the tree, not writing for the booklet), but I don't think the tree I found is the above tree (plus your bonus for ordering now! another Los Angeles tree in a book, probably not the booklet referred to in the above ad):

https://s26.postimg.org/fkzizyfzd/TreesLA.jpg

And here we have 20th and Compton, where a Moreton Bay Fig is conspicuous . . . ly absent: ...

I downloaded a couple of aerials from UCSB, but I couldn't tell if the dark, circular object was a tree or a building. Then I checked Historic Aerials, and the tree showed up much clearer. I'd say it looks best in the 1964 image (below). The 1972 and 1980 images appear to show the tree getting smaller, and I think it's gone by 1994.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tonBayFig1.jpg
Historic Aerials

If the Moreton Bay Fig was still standing, it would be about here.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...tonBayFig2.jpg
GSV


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