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BifRayRock Oct 14, 2014 9:04 PM



:previous: 918 Flower Missed that one. Thank you.


Pretty billboard.

Recognized . . . since 1912 . . . by ?

1929 Dayton Rubber - Unknown location.
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http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../id/736/rec/44


1932CD - Nelson & Price, 1323 S. Flower ; 1936CD - 741 East Eight Street


When buildings had charm.


1931 - Nelson and Price, Hollywood. 6433
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http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/19092/rec/85


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1929 - Nelson and Price makes house call to ailing Packard
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Adult training wheels
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Balance
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BifRayRock Oct 14, 2014 9:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 5937861)
To avoid any unnecessary mishaps while transporting baked goods, perhaps a trip to Frank W. Dillin's Tire Service is in order? Conveniently located at 1017 S. Olive Street. Rumor has it their patented vulcanizing process allows them to retread tires and add new life to day-old rye bread - while you wait!

1930
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics43/00056313.jpg
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When Los Angeles and Chief Davis loved retreads?


1934 - Frank and Chief "two-guns" Parker (An endorsement?)
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1932 - Frank W. Dillin's much larger operation. Per HossC's post, this must have been 1601 S. Hope. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=19508
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Bullock's Boring Service? 1606 S. Flower . Just how boring? :no:
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1932 - Dillon's retreading facility.
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Did Frank W. Dillin have a retail location in Pasadena?

1935 - Source indicates "1601 S. Hope Street, Pasadena," yet the building address reads 1713.
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BifRayRock Oct 14, 2014 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6517742)
NB. I've spent a while trying to reduce the differences in lightness between panels and also made a few other tweaks.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
USC Digital Library








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Many iterations for the Ballroom. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10781 Can't recall seeing this signage, "PATIO BALLROOM," which I believe, predates the others :previous:. Chronology can be blurry. See below images of auto laundry.


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1930 Patio
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1930 El Patio Auto Laundry
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El Patio -
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El Patio, the early years? Courtesty of ER http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/801/4vgr.jpg http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=20010



America's Finest Ballroom. El Patio
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As the Palomar from Martin Turnbull's blog.
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ethereal_reality Oct 15, 2014 1:20 AM

Great posts BifRayRock, but why throw everything at us all at once?

...please....pace yourself a bit. My head is spinning so much it's going to catapult across the room. ;)

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ethereal_reality Oct 15, 2014 1:40 AM

A very rare business card for a Los Angeles blacksmith and horse-shoer.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...913/ebYGRi.jpg
ebay

Hoof Nippers? (I have no idea)

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Hollywood Graham Oct 15, 2014 1:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retired_in_Texas (Post 6767726)
This is a circa 1937 version of the same type of traffic signal. I've been trying to find the maker to no avail, but suspect it might have been Acme. Of curiosity is the smaller lens below the larger upper lenses in both cases.

http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...treetlight.png
Historical_DWP_Photo_Collection_LA_Public_Library

More about the ACME traffic signal:

Image is of a restored and working 1924 signal


http://d3rhfm7sshutfw.cloudfront.net...estoration.jpg



From: http://www.antiquetrader.com/article...al_restoration

Acme Semaphore were not that short lived as some lasted into the 50's. The photo of one in someones den is a repro, done by a studio prop man.

loyalton Oct 15, 2014 5:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6764843)
Note the sign on the curb which reads "No Standing". Did that mean no standing close to the curb or no standing in the "safety" zone until
the streetcar was nearby?

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"No standing" applies to autos and trucks trying to park there. Though painted red then as now, people thought and still think they can stop there "briefly" to run an errand. "Officer, I just needed a quick trim and then I had to check the price on the new Evinrude Twin. I just need fifteen more minutes, okay?"

The question came up way before on noirish, but your concept is correct. People would wait on the sidewalk and only enter the typically narrow boarding zone when the streetcar was very close or stopped. AFAIK there was no law against standing in the safety zone, but it was too dangerous to stand there too long. Still, if you stayed on the sidewalk, you could get left by an operator who thought you were just hanging out.

FredH Oct 15, 2014 6:16 AM

:previous:

Thanks loyalton, I never considered that it applied to cars, but it sure makes sense.
If someone parked next to the "safety" zone, it would be very dangerous.
By the way, I would have been one of those people who waited on the curb for the streetcar.


Sorry, this just doesn't look safe:
(Check the traffic coming towards them)

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps8b7dfbad.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/17395/rec/47

FredH Oct 15, 2014 6:41 AM

Florence Avenue, before Figueroa and Broadway, Los Angeles, CA, 1932

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Today:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...pse7290eeb.jpg
Google Street View

That is a Harbor Freeway off-ramp on the right.



Hey, there's Dick Whittington's car.

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I just noticed the sign in this last photo that says: Guns - Buy - Sell - Rent. I would be a little leery of
someone who lived in the city and wanted to rent a gun.

loyalton Oct 15, 2014 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6766293)
The Steel Trap (1952) is showing later tonight on TCM at 10:00 eastern time / 7:00 Pacific.
It's an exciting movie with numerous Los Angeles locations.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/GD0nxo.jpg
http://noirfilms.livejournal.com/159438.html

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Thanks for this -- it's new to me. The two stars also appeared together back in 1943 in Shadow of a Doubt, also noir but off-topic in that it was filmed in Santa Rosa. Still, it's also a good one, directed by Alfred Hitchcock, said to have been his favorite.

loyalton Oct 15, 2014 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6769051)
:
Sorry, this just doesn't look safe:
(Check the traffic coming towards them)

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps8b7dfbad.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/17395/rec/47

It gets much worse with a delivery truck passing on either side. You really had to pay attention getting off the streetcar, too.

I see that the couple is waiting where they look to board the back end of the streetcar. So there is likely a conductor aboard to take money or issue transfers on this line in these days.

oldstuff Oct 15, 2014 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6768786)
A very rare business card for a Los Angeles blacksmith and horse-shoer.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...913/ebYGRi.jpg
ebay

Hoof Nippers? (I have no idea)

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Hoof nippers are a tool used by farriers (people who shoe horses) to nip or trim the edges of the animal's hooves. They look like long handled pliers but with two flat blades at the tips which come together and cut through the hard edges of hoofs. just like cutting fingernails. Googling an image will show them.

As to Mr Holden:

George Hampton Holden was born in New York in December of 1858. He appears in Los Angeles by 1895-96 when he is listed as a blacksmith in a Los Angeles directory. The 1895 Directory show him as living at 635 Banning St. This part of the street is no longer a street but dead ends in a parking lot.

In the 1900 Census he is living with his wife and five sons at 153 N. Prudhomme St. This street apparently does not exist anymore. It seems that it may have been taken out by the freeway.

By 1910, he was living with his wife Sara at 439 S. Chicago St., Los Angeles. He was still there in 1920. The house is still there. It is in the same general vicinity as the previous residence.

He died in 1923 and is buried in what is now the Hollywood Forever Cemetery.

ethereal_reality Oct 15, 2014 3:30 PM

:previous: Thanks for the info. oldstuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by loyalton (Post 6769103)
Thanks for this -- it's new to me. The two stars also appeared together back in 1943 in Shadow of a Doubt, also noir but off-topic in that it was filmed in Santa Rosa. Still, it's also a good one, directed by Alfred Hitchcock, said to have been his favorite.

Yes, there's a ten year difference between the two films.
Interestingly enough, TCM showed Shadow of a Doubt immediately following The Steel Trap.
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ethereal_reality Oct 15, 2014 3:43 PM

advertising brush

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CityBoyDoug Oct 15, 2014 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6769051)
:previous:

Thanks loyalton, I never considered that it applied to cars, but it sure makes sense.
If someone parked next to the "safety" zone, it would be very dangerous.
By the way, I would have been one of those people who waited on the curb for the streetcar.


Sorry, this just doesn't look safe:
(Check the traffic coming towards them)

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps8b7dfbad.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/17395/rec/47

It wasn't safe. Eventually all of these ''safe boarding areas'' had a raised concrete platform added.

Notice that you had cars passing in front and back of you whilst standing in the ''safe'' zone.....dreadful. Imagine standing there with several children and your shopping packages or seniors and handicapped.

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0abdab18.jpg
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ethereal_reality Oct 15, 2014 4:22 PM

It appears the Ambassador Hotel had a helicopter pad at one point in time.

1961
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...904/DCnlE9.jpg
ebay

-not sure who Georgia Gibbs is.


1961
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I wonder when it first appears in those vintage aerials? (HossC? :))

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oldstuff Oct 15, 2014 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6769341)

Otto Charles Sens, born in Ohio in 1864, appears in Los Angeles as early as 1902. He is listed as a merchant tailor in most of the censuses and directories. The brush would seem to date to about 1915-1916 when he appears in directories as doing business at the W. 6th address.

There are various other listings for him, including a home at 232 S. Grand Ave.

He died in 1940 and is buried in Forest Lawn, Glendale.

A newspaper article from the Los Angeles Herald, October 28, 1902, announcing his marriage to Margaret Hutton, noted that she was a teacher at the Rosedale School.

HossC Oct 15, 2014 5:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6769400)

It appears the Ambassador Hotel had a helicopter pad at one point in time.

1961
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...904/DCnlE9.jpg
ebay

I wonder when it first appears in those vintage aerials? (HossC? :))

I'm assuming that this is the north side of The Ambassador (nearest Wilshire). The years nearest to 1961 that are available on Historic Aerials are 1954 and 1972, and I can't see the helicopter pad on either of them. If it was there, the triangle and "H" should be visible. In 1954, the area was just grass.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ador1954HA.jpg
Historic Aerials

And by 1972, there were a few small buildings in front of the entrance.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ador1972HA.jpg
Historic Aerials

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6769400)

-not sure who Georgia Gibbs is.

From Wikipedia:

"Georgia Gibbs (August 17, 1919 – December 9, 2006) was an American popular singer and vocal entertainer rooted in jazz. Already singing publicly in her early teens, Gibbs first achieved acclaim (and notoriety) in the mid-1950s interpreting songs originating with the black rhythm and blues community and later as a featured vocalist on a long list of radio and television variety and comedy programs. Her key attribute was tremendous versatility and an uncommon stylistic range from melancholy ballad to uptempo swinging jazz and rock and roll."

The first video of hers that I found on YouTube is Kiss of Fire.

HossC Oct 15, 2014 5:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhammon (Post 6767639)

In another forum I'm involved in, the topic of a particular thread is about Ebola. I brought up the Polio scourge and ultimate cure in the'50s by Jonas Salk

I went looking for an old photo of a March of Dimes store counter donation card display from the 50's or 60's where you put a dime in the card's coin depression but I can't seem to find one.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/73...c81b7fd81b.jpg

This doesn't sound exactly like fhammon's description, but it is a card where you can insert dimes. The caption says:

This is a vintage "March of Dimes" collection card marked The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis. This card dates from the 1940's to early 1950's. The front has a squirrel climbing a tree with a school below. These were used in schools across the U.S. as a fundraising effort for Polio.

NB. I distorted two original images and combined them into one.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...fDimesCard.jpg
etsy.com/etsy.com

As an aside, actor Adam Wade, seen here playing a dentist in 'The Dukes of Hazzard', was part of Jonas Salk's research team.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAAdamWade.jpg
Warner Bros.

Martin Pal Oct 15, 2014 6:13 PM

Just being silly... (sorry GW.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6768244)

Richard Slattery, aka Murph.

You forgot the "X".


Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6768244)

Apparently, well before "Murph's" Union "76" ads (Go with the spirit, the spirit of '76):whistle:, there was the little known or almost forgotten team of "Black and Harris." Could they have peaked too soon?

Which one was Black?


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