yeah, if you include poles and go to the dark side (the metric system) ;)

on a serious note, 2Pru and FC are like our junior level supertalls; they're technically there, but they certainly don't feel like they deserve the distinction.

Yes I agree. Buildings like Bank of America, N.Y. Times and Chrisler in N.Y. feel the same way. They all just don't have the same presence as buildings that are 1000ft plus to the roof.

In looking at that picture -- as many have speculated, Tribune Tower, though just 1 tower and set further back from the lake, will indeed be the likely tone setter. Something about the height, batman ears and almost regal stature of the building. Its thin profile, shape and relative centered position also add an imaginative spire like peak to the entire skyline.

Hadn't noticed this earlier but that wide gap between buildings really helps to preserve the lake views of the folks over in the Trump building. How nice of Related to do that.

The river already did that for them lol

No, lets not use the existing foundation for one grand massing tower, Instead lets split the site and add visual clutter to the lakefront. Let this die on the vine.

WPS could pass one or both thresholds (ignoring the 1/2 mile limit). That'll be the one that bolsters the river/central peak from the side of the skyline that people stare at bleary-eyed for an hour plus. Also I'm sure developers have set a 5-10 year reminder in their phones for the NBC lot(s).

Wolf Point and 400 N LSD are really the width-wise Hancock/Sears pair going forward.

Perfectly illustrating the difference between those who talk about tall buildings
and those who actually build tall buildings.

Buildings become less efficient the higher you go—geometrically so. There's the amount of floorspace required for elevators and exit stairs, the strength of the concrete, the time needed for construction. That's why the Spire went through three iterations, each trying to hang more units on the same set of elevator shafts.

Do you really think Related and SOM didn't run the numbers? Do you think they just picked the floor counts based on the CEO and his daughter's ages?

Well, if the CEO is 76 and his daughter is 65, someone should have notified the authorities long ago...

Is all of this encompassed under "premium for height", or does that just apply to structural integrity the higher you go up?

And still no mass transit tying together Streeterville with the rest of downtown.

I hope they give this project an intriguing name. Don't get me wrong. I think there is power behind a street address like say 300 N LaSalle or 432 N Park, but for this guy I hope they come up with something. Being able to call Vista, Vista, has a better ring to it than like 310 E Wacker.

The priority of an east-west line just becomes ever more obvious over time

Why? This is not an office tower. Trip generation rates for residential highrises are quite small, and for those sold at superpremium prices to nonresidents, transit boardings are less than rounding error. There just aren't that many cleaning ladies coming by every day.

Ready and Waiting

(Lower Carol st between State and Dearborn - Marina City)

It's very fortunate for Chicago that the cost of developing buildings is a fraction of what it is in NY because it makes projects like much more viable and easy to build. Due to the obscene costs of land acquisition and labor, towers like this could never have a rental component in NY. In fact, towers like this couldn't even rise in NY as condos priced at less than $5k/sf, and the market for that price range obviously is limited.

I look forward to these beauties.

:shrug: On the other hand, it's "very fortunate" for New York that it has the demand to overcome those costs. Or maybe it's because of the demand that those costs exist in the first place, which makes the comparison moot to begin with.

On that note, it's very fortunate for me that my mom had ovaries because if she had testes I wouldn't have been born.

Perhaps. Still a LOT of residents who would maybe occasionally use such service if the option was available. Then you have Northwestern Medical Campus and a plethora of hotels in Streeterville and you have one of the most worthwhile expansions of transit Chicago could make. The only question is in what form.

Most of the best buildings in NYC and some in Chicago are known by their address. The whole marketing name thing is a bit tacky.

The Beresford, Majestic, San Remo, Dakota, Apthorp....