In San Francisco a lot of people are all hysterical about Uber/Lyft drivers too busy to use (or unable to find) rest rooms so just leaving jugs of pee all over town.

Wow, I can so see that happening in SF

:yuck:

very cute — no corona talk in this rome coffee bar!


https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...ans-virus-talk

San Francisco would be the New York of California except New Yorkers generally view idiosyncratic behavior as a fact of life in the big city. Listening to the way some people talk on here, every bum taking a shit on a San Francisco sidewalk is the sign of the impending collapse of civilization. In New York that's something you'd forget about by the time you got to the elevator at your office.

the west coast seems like a weird combination of more tolerance and engagement of it (both ways) combined with more annoyance by it.

but anecdotally california just has way more precariousness/homeless people on the ground it seems.

I miss being in a cozy, noisy pub with a great tune in the background, good company, and a pint of beer in my hand—with a long evening ahead of me of dining and...well... being around others.

Anybody else relate?

You write that like seeing human feces on every street corner is a common sight around the country. It isn't.

Compared to SF, NY (Manhattan at least) is pristine. No comparison.

Most definitely. And where I live at least that's verboten until January 11 at least. And has been verboten for the past month or two.

Where I live, because Los Angeles County's COVID-19 infections have been spiking, the County health department has ordered that even outdoor dining at restaurants is prohibited beginning tomorrow at 10pm, through at least December 21st; only takeout, deliveries and drive-thru will be allowed.

However, because the City of Pasadena has its own health department, the Pasadena City Council has decided to still allow outdoor dining at its restaurants... so at least my partner and I still have an option.

A bit of background; in California, health departments are a County entity. However, 3 cities in LA County (Pasadena, Long Beach and Vernon) and one city in the Bay Area (Berkeley) have their own health departments.

From the LA Times:

Link: Pasadena will allow outdoor dining to continue despite L.A. County health order

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Patrons enjoy dinner outside Perle Restaurant in Pasadena. The City Council will not halt outdoor dining on Wednesday. Pasadena has its own public health department. (Francine Orr/Los Angeles Times)

The second wave is already forming in São Paulo and in a country as a whole.

Moving daily average is still at 400-500 deaths, but the number of daily cases skyrocketed in the past ten days. As in the beginning, it's reaching the upper classes firstly and many of those upscale hospitals are close to be out of room.

I don't think the city will stop again as people can't take it anymore.

Nah, SF is much cleaner than Manhattan. I'm actually surprised that anyone would say otherwise.

I have to agree with JManc. Certainly pre-COVID NYC was definitely more orderly in terms of scatological and psychological weirdness than SF was. At least in the more visible heavily-trafficked areas.

Of course we don't know what awaits us in the post-COVID world.

Because it is. SF is full of litter everywhere and while NY is noted for overflowing trash cans along the street, it's cleaner and better maintained.

I guess to each their own. This is anecdotal, but I don't think I've ever even seen a rat in SF in all the times I've been there. But I've had so many rats run across my feet in Manhattan that I won't even wear open shoes there.

I imagine SF has more human feces laying about. As far as rats, maybe there are less coyotes in Manhattan to control the rat population? Are there any natural predators there?

Lets just agree chicago kicks them both in the teeth on this topic.

They do have coyotes but nothing like SF. Also hawks, owls, cats, etc.

There are hawks and some raccoons, but otherwise there's nowhere for a big terrestrial predator to live in Manhattan since the human population is so dense.

Does SF still have any ghettos other than what's left of the Tenderloin? Manhattan still has legit ghettos, too.

Not downtown, although you could make an argument for Chinatown. Outside of the downtown core, there is Bayview-Hunters Point near where Candlestick Park used to be.