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ethereal_reality Sep 7, 2023 8:55 PM

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And here it is today.

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GSV / 234 W.Adams

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ethereal_reality Sep 7, 2023 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 10032378)
Are you sure this isn't the car that Davy Ogul and Jean Spangler drove to Palm Springs?


An earlier post on Jean Spangler's disappearance for you noirish 'newbies'.

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Originally Posted by FredH (Post 5914719)
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Jean Spangler was a 26 year old dancer at the Earl Carroll Theatre and Florentine Gardens,
and a struggling actress who had landed only a few bit parts in movies.

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She lived on Colgate Avenue in the Park La Brea area with her mother, daughter, and sister-in-law.
About 5:00 p.m. on October 7, 1949, she went out, telling her sister-in-law that she
was going to see her ex-husband about a child support payment, then go on to a night shoot at a
movie studio. Except for a brief sighting at the nearby Farmer’s Market an hour later, she was never seen again.

When she did not return home the next day, her sister-in-law reported her missing. Since she had a reputation as
a “party girl”, the police did nothing, figuring that she would show up in a day or so. On October 9th, a Griffith Park
worker found her purse near the Fern Dell entrance to the park.

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The purse had a torn strap and contained a strange hand written note. The note said, “Kirk, Can’t wait any longer.
Going to see Dr. Scott. It will work best this way while mother is away.” The purse prompted an extensive search
of the park, but nothing else was found.

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The police pursued several lines of inquiry:

The ex-husband, a plastic manufacturer named Dexter Benner, was interviewed. He claimed that he had not seen
Jean for several weeks prior to her disappearance. His story was backed up by his new wife Lynn, who had been
previously married to Mickey Cohen associate, Ely Lasky. A check with the studios around town also revealed that
none of them had a movie shoot scheduled that night.

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Word spread from a couple of Jean’s friends that she was three months pregnant. The police figured that the Dr. Scott
mentioned in the note was an abortionist, who may have botched things and disposed of her body.
A search for Dr. Scott came up empty.

A few days into the investigation, the actor Kirk Douglas (after reading the story about the note) called the police to say
that he may have briefly met her on the set of his last movie, “Young Man With a Horn”. Jean had a bit part in this movie
as a hula dancer. The police thought that it was strange that Douglas just happened to call them with this information,
but they could make no connection to her disappearance. Some people thought that Spangler and Douglas had indeed dated
several times, but no one had any solid evidence.

Jean had also been seen in Palm Springs a few days prior to her vanishing, with a couple of Mickey Cohen’s associates,
David “Little Davey” Ogul and Frank Niccoli. Strangely enough, both of them had also recently disappeared.
Rumor had it
that Niccoli had been dumped into a lime pit in a Cucamonga vineyard and his keys were found down a sewer on
Santa Barbara Avenue. Of course, people began to have sightings of the three of them as far away as El Paso, Texas.
Niccoli was also supposedly spotted in Mexico with his hair bleached blond and a “nose spreader” up his nostrils to change
his appearance. Neither Ogul nor Niccoli were ever seen again.

The real loser here was reportedly Mickey Cohen, who had bailed out the pair at a cost of $75,000 and now had to pay up
the bail money. One report had it that this was the reason that Mickey had to liquidate his haberdashery store in Los Angeles.

Since the Black Dahlia murder was still fresh in people's memories, evryone expected to find Jean's body hacked to pieces
somewhere around town.

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Jean Spangler was never seen again and the case is still open in the Los Angeles Police files.


I had forgotten about "Little Davey" Ogul, BDiH.

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I'm surprised that I can't find a photograph of this Ogul fellow.


Time line at truecrimeedition

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ethereal_reality Sep 7, 2023 9:33 PM

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Here's another look at the Frank Wiggins Trade School. This view shows the roof where the recent eBay photograph was taken.

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usc archives

We've no doubt seen this before but it's so cool I thought I'd post it again. :)


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JeffDiego Sep 7, 2023 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10032309)
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And speaking of Palm Springs.


What is Marilyn Monroe doing in Palm Springs with Roy Cohn?

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eBay 1947

Seriously, does anyone recognize the man? :shrug:


Whoever the man is the eBay seller is asking $500.00
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Hi Ethereal: That's an easy one for an old Hollywood buff. That's Hollywood agent Johnny Hyde, Marilyn's lover & father figure. He wrangled Marilyn's contract at 20th Century-Fox & it was he who encouraged her to have minor plastic surgery - a genius career move. He wanted to marry her, but if I recall, was already married when they first became involved. I'd date the photo 1949 - 50, rather than '47.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Hyde

JeffDiego Sep 8, 2023 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 10033570)
Hi Ethereal: That's an easy one for an old Hollywood buff. That's Hollywood agent Johnny Hyde, Marilyn's lover & father figure. Hyde wrangled Marilyn's contract at 20the Century-Fox & it was he who encouraged her to have minor plastic surgery. He wanted to marry her, but if I recall, was already married when they first started going out. I'd date the photo 1949 - 50, rather than '47.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Hyde

ScottyB Sep 8, 2023 6:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10032335)
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Before I log off for the day here are a few closer looks from the Frank Wiggins Rooftop phoyograph.


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Ganahl Lumber is still in business, I've been to their Pasadena store.

sopas ej Sep 9, 2023 2:31 AM

My apologies if this has been posted before... I just love this image.

6th and Hill, downtown LA, the demolished Paramount Theatre, 1947, showing the 1946 Christmas release "Cross My Heart" starring Betty Hutton and Sonny Tufts. The second feature was "Rolling Home," a 1946 western.
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Metro Library and Archive

Martin Pal Sep 9, 2023 6:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 10034632)
...I just love this image.
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I do, too, thanks for posting it! I love how not one person is paying attention to the main attraction in the photo, the P.E. car! Heh! It doesn't really look like the usual passenger car. Is it something else?

Can anyone make out the name of the Cafe that is serving CHOP SUEY?

Anyone know the two streets in the photo? I have a habit of noting the time on any clock I see in a photo. Appears to be 2:35 p.m., give or take a minute or two.

odinthor Sep 9, 2023 6:46 PM

Have we seen this image before on NLA?:

https://i.postimg.cc/BQfJKDhv/Hill-S3rd001.jpg
From A Backward Glance, by Robert G. Cowan, 1969.

As we can see, remarkably the view has hardly changed:

https://i.postimg.cc/SKR4hGKg/Hill-S3rd-Now.jpg
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The sky is still up, the ground is still down. The more things change, the more they stay the same!

:tup:

Martin Pal Sep 9, 2023 7:06 PM

Avalon, Catalina Casino...?

On Martin Turnbull's GOA website, he posted this "Satellite Photo from Google Earth" that had someone asking the question: "What is that tail looking thing shooting out from the [top of the] casino?"

Anyone have a guess. I've just looked at dozens of photos past and present and see nothing remotely like it, nor find any articles as t what it might be.

https://i0.wp.com/martinturnbull.com...68%2C463&ssl=1GOA

Since you can't delete a post: I went to Google Earth and looked at the this from a different angle. It's actually an optical illusion. On either side of the entrance area to the Casino are two rooms...the white areas...built out from the building. What looks like something that might be rising into the air is actually just the room area on the right, jutting out toward the road.

ethereal_reality Sep 9, 2023 7:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 10033824)
Ganahl Lumber is still in business, I've been to their Pasadena store.

ScottyB,

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/pLyXvd.jpg
ganahllumber..Be sure to pan right ----->

Pasadena, right?



Link
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ethereal_reality Sep 9, 2023 7:35 PM

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Mystery location.

Burial plot(s) for four past Derby winning horses that were owned by E.J. Baldwin. Tthe seller doesn't include the location other than the Los Angeles area.

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eBay

Any 'Lucky' Baldwin scholars out there?

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odinthor Sep 9, 2023 9:12 PM

:previous:

e_r, the information is frustratingly scattered. Putting together data from tiny mentions here and there:

The (black and maroon) Maltese Cross was the design on the racing silks of Lucky Baldwin and was the emblem of the stable. The monument was being erected in 1920. "Rey el Santa Anita died July 3, 1919, and was buried at Santa Anita, near Los Angeles, the wonderful Baldwin breeding establishment. Santa Anita folks made his grave beside those of his three great predecessors, and in his tomb they placed his bridle and halter, his silver mounted saddle, his blankets, his jockey's colors and the many trophies he won on race tracks at home and abroad. Over the graves of the four American Derby winner Mrs. Anita Baldwin reared a lasting monument in the form of a concrete Maltese cross six feet square. The Maltese cross was the racing emblem of 'Lucky' Baldwin, and hangs over the doorways of the paddocks at Santa Anita Ranch to this day. The gigantic cross is finished in red, with black cross lines. At the base of the cross the names and their records are lettered upon bronze tablets--a fitting memorial to four great thoroughbreds. (The Thoroughbred Record, vol. 96, 1922, p. 219) "The monument stands today in a heart-shaped grove of palms commanding the entrance to the old Baldwin stables." (Step and Go Together, by Brainerd K. Beckwith, 1974, p. 235)

A comment at site American Classic Pedigrees reads: "Emperor of Norfolk was indeed buried at the modern plant[?], but this was a reburial as he and Lucky Baldwins's other three American Derby winners (Silver Cloud, Volante, and Rey El Santa Anita) were originally interred by the stable on his ranch and all four were reinterred at Santa Anita's paddock garden."

At http://maryforney.blogspot.com/2008/...ese-cross.html is a photo of the newer site at the racetrack "just east of the paddock gardens," and at length adds "The Maltese Cross and the remains of the horses were moved to their present location at Santa Anita from their original resting spot, about a mile or so to the west where the Baldwin stables once thrived." It "stands in a corner of the Santa Anita Rancho out Arcadia way" in 1939. (LAT 6/4/1939). If the "mile or so" is correct, this would be west of the current arboretum. And so we look at maps:

https://i.postimg.cc/mDMrHGHc/Santa-Anita-Map.jpg
From https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...anta_Anita.jpg

The racetrack shown is not the current Santa Anita track, nor its site, but Baldwin's old one. To orient: The lake in the above appears to be the same one as is still at the Arboretum.

We need a closer look!

https://i.postimg.cc/Y2zrKRfw/Santa-Anita-Detail.jpg
From https://www.earlymonroviastructures....ta-anita-tract https://www.earlymonroviastructures....ta-anita-tract

Again, for orientation: The old racetrack appears to me to be along what is now Michillinda Avenue.

:shrug: Best I can do.

ethereal_reality Sep 9, 2023 9:33 PM

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Excellent sleuthing, odinthor. :worship:

You got much closer than I did.


I was really intrigued by the shape of the monument which I thought looked like a stylized iron cross. I see from your information it was designed after the Maltese cross.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/knhBDp.jpg


"A lasting monument in the form of a concrete Maltese cross six feet square. The Maltese cross was the racing emblem of 'Lucky' Baldwin, and hangs over the doorways of the paddocks at Santa Anita Ranch
to this day. The gigantic cross is finished in red, with black cross lines. At the base of the cross the names and their records are lettered upon bronze tablets--a fitting memorial to four great thoroughbreds."


It appears the colors are long gone.
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sopas ej Sep 9, 2023 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 10034889)
I do, too, thanks for posting it! I love how not one person is paying attention to the main attraction in the photo, the P.E. car! Heh! It doesn't really look like the usual passenger car. Is it something else?

Can anyone make out the name of the Cafe that is serving CHOP SUEY?

Anyone know the two streets in the photo? I have a habit of noting the time on any clock I see in a photo. Appears to be 2:35 p.m., give or take a minute or two.

The Paramount Theatre was on the northeast corner of 6th and Hill. It was demolished in the early 1960s I believe, and then became a surface parking lot, and then in the 1980s, the International Jewelry Center was built there: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0473...8192?entry=ttu

I believe that is a Pacific Electric box motor car, which was used to transport light freight.

sopas ej Sep 9, 2023 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10034922)
ScottyB,

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/pLyXvd.jpg
ganahllumber..Be sure to pan right ----->

Pasadena, right?



Link
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Thanks for posting that photo, ethereal! I love it. The park is Memorial Park, and you can see the old Pasadena Public Library. You can also see the railroad right of way, which still exists, but is now a walkway called Big Bang Theory Way, south of Holly Street and Memorial Park. What is now the Metro A Line runs underneath that walkway. The street at the very bottom is Union Street.

ScottyB Sep 10, 2023 5:24 PM

That is a great photo, e_r. Do you know where you found it?

ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2023 6:40 PM

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It's on the company's website - ganahllumber.

And I'm pretty sure the photograph is also in the Huntington Digital Library Archives. (but I haven't found it there yet)


The detail below is from the center-left of the photo.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/jvVHeM.jpg

I wonder if the building to the right of the red arrow is being built or being torn down?

Also note the extremely long trolly-car barn. (between the brackets)




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ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2023 7:10 PM

Mystery.


Is this a real Hollywood Regency mansion or a faux Hollywood Regency facade on the backlot at Universal Studios?

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eBay



Here's why I ask.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/g6NdP3.png

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I definitely need help on this one.

... :whip:




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ethereal_reality Sep 10, 2023 7:31 PM

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Mystery #2


One of my favorite comedies is MGM's Mr. Blandings Builds his Dream House from 1948.

I took it for granted the house in the film was a mock-up on the studio lot but this snapshot I happened upon on eBay makes me think differently.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/d9ND1J.jpg


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kkm6zm.jpg

This appears to be a real house somewhere in Bel Air. (there was prob. a mock-up at the studio as well)

I'm looking for the Bel-Air address to see if it's still standing.


Go forth, minions!
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