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I"m not sure if the cold is exaggerated or not, but from in my opinion Chicago probably has the 2nd worst winters in the US, after Minneapolis. For me I can handle the snow, but the cold, no thanks. |
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That is also your opinion about who has "worse winters." I've lived in multiple places of the midwest and Chicago is definitely not 2nd worst. There are worse places that are sizable in population for one reason or another. I would take Chicago winters over Cleveland or anywhere in upstate NY. In fact, I'd even take them over Boston. In terms of large cities, you could probably say top 5 worst but in terms of populated places, its definitely not as bad as some. Even when I lived near Des Moines, Iowa it was worse. |
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I also meant 2nd worse of major cities, that’s probably why the reputation. Cleveland and upstate NY are worse in my opinion. I think Boston has slightly more tolerable winters than Chicago, but it’s splitting hairs. Depends if you like cold or snow better. |
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Agree.. though for me it was so many people. I dont know why but strangers like to randomly tell me their problems in real life even when I dont say a word to them. Random strangers everywhere always had this type of attitude regarding the weather. So many people I interacted with thought Chicago was even worse than places like Minneapolis. I'd show my coworkers the weather in Minneapolis and they'd always have this dumbfounded look as if no place should be worse than Chicago. Funniest thing I saw related to this was right after the blizzard in 2010 or 2011. The news was out in my neighborhood and a couple was out walking. Guy stops them on tv and asks how they're doing and if they've experienced anything like it before. The guy says something like "Actually we are visiting from Maine. We have this all the time and it's normal for us." and leaves without the guy on TV being able to get a word in. The look on his face was priceless iirc. |
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Made this one its own post since y'all usually want the Adler view larger. Full is linked to my Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ed1bad3c_k.jpgDecember 25, 2019 by Tomasz Wojtasik, on Flickr |
Beautiful. Just aching for a supertall in between trump and legacy. C'mon Thompson Center.
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How perfect would of been if the skyneedle came to fruition...the exclamation point of all exclamations points for the skyline!
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1) Whenever it's really cold or it snows a lot in Chicago, it's on some of the news making some believe that it's more normal than it really is. 2) Some people in Chicago exaggerate making others believe that really cold temperatures occur much more frequently than they actually do in reality. Also, there are some people who completely have selective memories when it comes to temperatures. I guarantee that when Chicago gets pretty cold again next month, that many people will selectively forget that it was recently 20+ degrees above average for multiple days. 3) Many people visit Chicago during winter and they sometimes visit when it's really cold for a few days. I have multiple friends and co-workers who have visited during times like this and they believe that's how Chicago *always* is. Even though they only went for a few days, when you tell them their days there were not normal, they don't listen. I have 2 co-workers specifically like this. No amount of telling them how many winters you lived in Chicago will make them believe you over the 3 really cold days they experienced once. And the sad part is that these things also prevent some people from moving to Chicago. I have multiple friends and co-workers who love Chicago and nearly all of them have said "I would totally move there if it wasn't so cold." And when I ask them how cold they think it is, routinely they think the average high in winter is 15 degrees F or even lower based on them once visiting in January during a cold spell or seeing the news. It's fun showing monthly temperatures and they sometimes realize it's not as cold on average as they thought and not much colder than where they currently are. |
Having fun with some data here. Here are a bunch of cities (and growing) and the number and percentage of days they failed to reach above 15 degrees for either the morning low or the afternoon high.
The data is for months January, February, March, and December of years 2016 thru 2019. 481 total days. The data is from accuweather.com 1. Winnipeg: 339 days | 70.48% 2. Edmonton: 282 days | 58.63% 3. Calgary: 251 days | 52.18% 4. Anchorage: 246 days | 51.14% 5. Montreal: 219 days | 45.53% 6. Minneapolis: 199 days | 41.37% 7T. Des Moines: 140 days | 29.11% 7T. Omaha: 140 days | 29.11% 9. Milwaukee: 111 days | 23.08% 10. Buffalo: 110 days | 22.87% 11T. Detroit: 92 days | 19.13% 11T. Toronto: 92 days | 19.13% 13. Chicago: 89 days | 18.5% 14. Pittsburgh: 74 days | 15.39% 15. Indianapolis: 72 days: 14.97% 16. Columbus, OH: 70 days | 14.55% 17. Denver: 62 days | 12.89% 18. Cleveland: 60 days | 12.47% 19. St. Louis: 54 days | 11.23% 20. Boise: 52 days | 10.81% 21T. Kansas City: 51 days | 10.6% 21T. Providence: 51 days | 10.6% 23. Boston: 44 days | 9.15% 24. Salt Lake City: 30 days | 6.24% 25. Philadelphia: 24 days | 4.99% 26. NYC: 23 days | 4.78% 27. Washington DC: 12 days | 2.49% 28. Baltimore | 11 days | 2.29% 29. Seattle | 1 day | 0.21% 30. Vancouver | 0 days | 0% |
Now back to some new statistics about the community areas of the city for 2018 based on the new ACS data. These are for various groups in the city born anywhere in the world. Only showing community areas with 100+ of a population.
The 4 areas that make up greater downtown now have close to 28,000 Asian Indians, Chinese, and Korean. 2018 Chinese alone population 1. Bridgeport: 12,188 people 2. Armour Square: 9521 people 3. Near West Side: 3787 people 4. McKinley Park: 3673 people 5. Brighton Park: 3511 people 6. Near North Side: 3079 people 7. The Loop: 2330 people 8. Hyde Park: 1883 people 9. Lake View: 1763 people 10. Lincoln Park: 1619 people 11. Douglas: 1371 people 12. Near South Side: 1279 people 13. Edgewater: 1002 people 14. Uptown: 793 people 15. Kenwood: 686 people 16. West Ridge: 670 people 17. West Town: 628 people 18. New City: 598 people 19. Archer Heights: 574 people 20. Woodlawn: 490 people 21. Rogers Park: 465 people 22. Lincoln Square: 415 people 23. West Elsdon: 407 people 24. Albany Park: 382 people 25. Logan Square: 340 people The 4 areas that make up greater downtown area have 10,475 Chinese now. If you include Chinatown and all the adjacent areas along I-55 then it's over 40,000 Chinese people. 2018 Asian Indian alone population 1. West Ridge: 5298 people 2. Near West Side: 4719 people 3. Near North Side: 4687 people 4. The Loop: 2629 people 5. Lake View: 2031 people 6. Edgewater: 2017 people 7. Near South Side: 1974 people 8. Lincoln Park: 1503 people 9. Albany Park: 1489 people 10. Douglas: 1256 people 11. West Town: 1105 people 12. North Park: 1017 people 13. O'Hare: 1007 people 14. Uptown: 950 people 15. Lincoln Square: 782 people 16. Rogers Park: 710 people 17. Irving Park: 684 people 18. Logan Square: 613 people 19. Hyde Park: 538 people 20. North Center: 495 people 21. Forest Glen: 417 people 22. Avondale: 336 people 23. Bridgeport: 266 people 24. Jefferson Park: 242 people 25. Norwood Park: 216 people The 4 areas that make up greater downtown now have over 14,000 Asian Indians. 2018 Filipino alone population 1. Albany Park: 2900 people 2. Portage Park: 2292 people 3. Irving Park: 2262 people 4. West Ridge: 2217 people 5. Dunning: 1834 people 6. Lincoln Square: 1379 people 7. Belmont Cragin: 1242 people 8. Lake View: 1201 people 9. Jefferson Park: 1187 people 10. Edgewater: 1138 people 11. Near South Side: 1043 people 12. North Park: 943 people 13. Near West Side: 931 people 14. West Town: 913 people 15. Near North Side: 912 people 16. Uptown: 744 people 17. Logan Square: 742 people 18. North Center: 588 people 19. O'Hare: 575 people 20. The Loop: 566 people 21. Norwood Park: 541 people 22. Forest Glen: 530 people 23. Avondale: 519 people 24. Rogers Park: 467 people 25. Lincoln Park: 354 people 2018 Korean alone population 1. Near North Side: 1178 people 2. Near West Side: 1081 people 3. West Town: 788 people 4. Lake View: 677 people 5. Albany Park: 674 people 6. Lincoln Park: 615 people 7. North Park: 560 people 8. West Ridge: 547 people 9. Uptown: 537 people 10. The Loop: 506 people 11. Logan Square: 499 people 12. Lincoln Square: 367 people 13. Near South Side: 356 people 14. Edgewater: 355 people 15. Hyde Park: 350 people 16. Portage Park: 243 people 17. Bridgeport: 239 people 18. Forest Glen: 237 people 19. Irving Park: 224 people 20. Rogers Park: 209 people 21. North Center: 184 people 22. Montclare: 178 people 23. Norwood Park: 175 people 24. Douglas: 171 people 25. Lower West Side: 163 people 2018 Vietnamese alone population 1. West Ridge: 2290 people 2. Uptown: 1184 people 3. Jefferson Park: 871 people 4. Albany Park: 824 people 5. North Park: 718 people 6. Edgewater: 399 people 7. Forest Glen: 358 people 8. Lincoln Square: 337 people 9. Near West Side: 271 people 10. Irving Park: 245 people 11. West Town: 200 people 12. Rogers Park: 197 people 13. Near North Side: 162 people 14. Avondale: 130 people 15. Lake View: 123 people 16. Lincoln Park: 121 people 17. Norwood Park: 116 people 18. Portage Park: 108 people 2018 Pakistani alone population 1. West Ridge: 3788 people 2. Edgewater: 525 people 3. North Park: 501 people 4. Uptown: 434 people 5. Lincoln Park: 339 people 6. Near West Side: 294 people 7. Lake View: 259 people 8. Chatham: 152 people 9. West Town: 148 people 10. Rogers Park: 129 people 11. Forest Glen: 124 people 12. Near North Side: 117 people 13. Near South Side: 117 people 14. The Loop: 107 people 2018 Japanese alone population 1. Near North Side: 633 people 2. Edgewater: 541 people 3. The Loop: 253 people 4. Lake View: 247 people 5. Irving Park: 223 people 6. West Ridge: 203 people 7. Lincoln Park: 198 people 8. Uptown: 190 people 9. Kenwood: 180 people 10. Albany Park: 174 people 11. Near West Side: 155 people 12. West Town: 148 people 13. Hyde Park: 140 people 14. North Park: 104 people |
Now for the changes from 2010 to 2018 for these groups
Chinese alone population, change from 2010 to 2018 1. Near West Side: +2054 people 2. Bridgeport: +1709 people 3. Brighton Park: +1600 people 4. Near North Side: +1500 people 5. The Loop: +1341 people 6. McKinley Park: +1195 people 7. Douglas: +856 people 8. Lincoln Park: +838 people 9. Armour Square: +822 people 10. Hyde Park: +640 people 11. Near South Side: +640 people 12. Archer heights: +574 people 13. Lake View: +389 people 14. Woodlawn: +388 people 15. West Elsdon: +367 people 16. Kenwood: +333 people 17. Lower West Side: +245 people 18. West Town: +213 people 19. Garfield Ridge: +198 people 20. New City: +162 people 21. Albany Park: +120 people 22. Logan Square: +116 people 23. Irving Park: +102 people The 4 areas that make up greater downtown area grew by about 5500 Chinese people during this time. If you include Chinatown plus all the adjacent areas along I55 then it's an increase of over 12,000 Chinese people from 2010 to 2018. Indian alone population, change from 2010 to 2018 1. Near North Side: +2356 people 2. Near West Side: +1904 people 3. The Loop: +1336 people 4. Near South Side: +1313 people 5. Douglas: +731 people 6. Lake View: +609 people 7. Edgewater: +453 people 8T. Rogers Park: +450 people 8T. West Town: +450 people 10. North Park: +396 people 11. West Ridge: +389 people 12. Lincoln Park: +335 people 13. North Center: +205 people 14. Logan Square: +166 people 15. Lower West Side: +163 people 16. Avondale: +159 people 17. Woodlawn: +147 people 18. Hyde Park: +105 people 19. Austin: +103 people 20. O'Hare: +101 people The 4 areas that make up greater downtown area grew by about 7000 Asian Indian people during this time. Filipino alone population, change from 2010 to 2018 1. Dunning: +676 people 2. Jefferson Park: +558 people 3. Near South Side: +497 people 4. Belmont Cragin: +370 people 5. O'Hare: +331 people 6. The Loop: +304 people 7. Mount Greenwood: +242 people 8. West Town: +200 people 9. Lower West Side: +197 people 10. Portage Park: +182 people 11. Ashburn: +147 people 12. Hermosa: +144 people 13T. Albany Park: +103 people 13T. Armour Square: +103 people Korean alone population, change from 2010 to 2018 1. West Town: +348 people 2. Near South Side: +211 people 3. The Loop: +197 people 4. Montclare: +178 people 5. Bridgeport: +166 people 6. Near North Side: +161 people 7. Lower West Side: +142 people |
Looking at the fantastic image from Gandolf612 and thinking in terms of the possibility
of Chicago continuing to grow (which I am not assuming) and thinking that the city needs to avoid the dulling density of some larger cities, I think it might be wise for city planners to encourage the spread of taller structures in the south. They could have better views of the skyline and the north-south priority could follow the river and keep Chicago from feeling too dense. At this point, anything which might be taller than the Sears tower would feel better to me if it was, at least as far south as the area along the river between Harrison and Roosevelt. The near North side is becoming too densely walled and this can end up feeling more impersonal and brutal. Spreading more of the density which is found in the Loop will not make the city a better place to live. The higher highs need the contrast of variable heights (and greenery) around them to help the city breathe and have better access to natural light. Also, the idea of the Sears tower becoming a supportive structural foil for a taller building is setting the bar (of architectural presence) higher than any other city has had to reach. |
The weather has been so warm lately that the snowpack to the north of us is going to be diminished quite a bit because they are getting rain like us instead of snow.
If a polar vortex even happened in the next few weeks it does not mean heavy snow. Usually deep cold produces little snow at all. https://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/snow_mod...5_National.jpg Thus far its been a mild winter. I don't think anyone would disagree with that statement. But you never know what's going to happen in two weeks from now. |
In the above photo, Vista and Sears complement each other wonderfully. In fact they look a little bit alike, with both buildings having a couple of setbacks, and from this distance their heights look fairly comparable. In this view, these two tallest buildings of Chicago (by roof height) look like the guardians of the city.
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A case in point is Atlanta, whose tallest skyscrapers are too spread out IMO -- see for example this aerial video https://www.axiomimages.com/aerial-s.../view/AX38_030 . I was in Atlanta last month and the extreme sparseness of skyscrapers looked much worse than this video suggests.[/QUOTE] ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ You make a good point. There are a number of problems affecting Atlanta which relate to the density of buildings and the way the city works which are possibly less in Chicago's much greater density. The chief being automobile pollution and the frustrations of sitting in traffic for longer periods of time. Atlanta is a poorly designed hub and it exemplifies why better planning is needed. It boomed with the worship of the automobile and now it has worse air pollution than Chicago. For Atlanta, the distance between the buildings might alleviate some of the congestion while Chicago might benefit from wider spacing because it is already so much larger. We may be comparing an apple (pun) to a peach and assuming that the cultural needs of one is the same as the other. |
Here's some 2018 numbers by community area by certain Hispanic alone populations. This does not count people who indicate they're more than just one ancestry/ethnicity.
2018 Mexican alone population 1. South Lawndale: 57,709 people 2. Belmont Cragin: 44,553 people 3. Brighton Park: 35,486 people 4. Gage Park: 33,879 people 5. West Lawn: 24,898 people 6. Chicago Lawn: 23,766 people 7. New City: 22,351 people 8. Lower West Side: 22,005 people 9. East Side: 18,118 people 10. Humboldt Park: 17,223 people 11. Garfield Ridge: 16,301 people 12. Logan Square: 15,761 people 13. Ashburn: 15,638 people 14. Albany Park: 14,834 people 15. West Elsdon: 14,738 people 16. Avondale: 14,307 people 17. Portage Park: 14,189 people 18. Irving Park: 12,949 people 19. Clearing: 12,329 people 20. Hermosa: 11,317 people 21. West Ridge: 10,569 people 22. West Town: 10,212 people 23. Archer Heights: 9355 people 24. Rogers Park: 8621 people 25. McKinley Park: 8145 people 26. Dunning: 7767 people 27. Austin: 6962 people 28. Bridgeport: 6665 people 29. Uptown: 5573 people 30. Edgewater: 5473 people 31. South Chicago: 4988 people 32. Montclare: 4916 people 33. South Deering: 4476 people 34. Hegewisch: 4190 people 35. Near West Side: 4094 people 36. Lincoln Square: 4032 people 37. Lake View: 3868 people 38. O'Hare: 3154 people 39. Jefferson Park: 3094 people 40. Norwood Park: 2654 people 2018 Puerto Rican alone population 1. Belmont Cragin: 12,351 people 2. Humboldt Park: 10,433 people 3. Logan Square: 9209 people 4. West Town: 6567 people 5. Portage Park: 5960 people 6. Hermosa: 5363 people 7. Austin: 3840 people 8T. Avondale: 3568 people 8T. Irving Park: 3568 people 10. Dunning: 3140 people 11. Montclare: 2333 people 12. South Lawndale: 2108 people 13. Jefferson Park: 2099 people 14. Clearing: 1946 people 15. Norwood Park: 1825 people 16. Albany Park: 1494 people 17. Chicago Lawn: 1327 people 18. West Ridge: 1301 people 19. Lincoln Square: 1276 people 20. Garfield Ridge: 1267 people 21. East Side: 1176 people 22. Lower West Side: 1115 people 23. Lake View: 1016 people 24. Ashburn: 945 people 25. Uptown: 929 people 2018 Ecuadorian alone population 1. Albany Park: 2481 people 2. Belmont Cragin: 2431 people 3. Irving Park: 1745 people 4. Portage Park: 1458 people 5. Austin: 1401 people 6. Avondale: 1324 people 7. Humboldt Park: 1141 people 8. Logan Square: 1003 people 9. Hermosa: 759 people 10. Uptown: 593 people 2018 Salvadoran alone population 1. Avondale: 825 people 2. Belmont Cragin: 657 people 3. Portage Park: 471 people 4. Hermosa: 366 people 5. Logan Square: 290 people 6. South Lawndale: 289 people 7. Irving Park: 253 people 8. Lincoln Square: 240 people 9. West Lawn: 229 people 10. Jefferson Park: 187 people 2018 Peruvian alone population 1. Portage Park: 824 people 2. Dunning: 614 people 3. Irving Park: 518 people 4. Belmont Cragin: 397 people 5. Albany Park: 279 people 6. Near North Side: 209 people 7. Jefferson Park: 184 people 8. Logan Square: 167 people 9. Lincoln Square: 162 people 10. Hermosa: 145 people 2018 Colombian alone population 1. Belmont Cragin: 772 people 2. Portage Park: 756 people 3. Lake View: 594 people 4. West Ridge: 517 people 5. Albany Park: 424 people 6. Edgewater: 406 people 7. Logan Square: 397 people 8. West Town: 295 people 9. Austin: 285 people 10. Lincoln Square: 280 people 2018 Cuban alone population 1. Belmont Cragin: 700 people 2. Logan Square: 659 people 3. Lake View: 589 people 4. Portage Park: 482 people 5. Irving Park: 426 people 6. The Loop: 412 people 7. Edgewater: 392 people 8. Dunning: 325 people 9. Near North Side: 321 people 10. West Town: 306 people 2018 Honduran alone population 1. Belmont Cragin: 675 people 2. Albany Park: 514 people 3. South Lawndale: 342 people 4. Humboldt Park: 333 people 5. Jefferson Park: 321 people 6. Chicago Lawn: 307 people 7. Logan Square: 298 people 8T. New City: 290 people 8T. Portage Park: 290 people 10. Gage Park: 257 people |
Mexican alone population, change from 2010 to 2018
1. Garfield Ridge: +5037 people 2. Chicago Lawn: +4931 people 3. Belmont Cragin: +4630 people 4. Ashburn: +3817 people 5. Humboldt Park: +3274 people 6. Austin: +3093 people 7. Dunning: +2562 people 8. Clearing: +2230 people 9. West Lawn: +2197 people 10. West Elsdon: +2185 people 11. South Lawndale: +2040 people 12. Brighton Park: +1994 people 13. West Englewood: +1571 people 14. Near West Side: +1403 people 15. Portage Park: +1306 people 16. Gage Park: +1253 people 17. New City: +1214 people 18. Montclare: +978 people 19. Morgan Park: +894 people 20. The Loop: +860 people 21. Englewood: +755 people 22. North Lawndale: +714 people 23. Edgewater: +636 people 24. South Shore: +617 people 25. Archer heights: +584 people Areas of town that went from not having many Mexican people in 2010 to having something more sizable in 2018include: West Englewood: from 427 people to 1998 people Englewood: from 51 people to 806 people The Loop: from 511 people to 1371 people South Shore: from 233 people to 850 people Woodlawn: from 244 people to 606 people Let's also do that same thing for Chinese population: Archer Heights: from 0 people to 574 people West Elsdon: from 40 people to 407 people Woodlawn: from 102 people to 490 people Douglas: from 515 people to 1371 people Lincoln Park: from 781 people to 1619 people The Loop: from 989 people to 2330 people |
I'm hoping someone can help me: I remember coming across a site a while back that allowed you to browse historical street imagery on a map (similar to google maps). Probably posted somewhere on this forum but I'm not sure if that's where I was originally introduced to it. I specifically remember looking around Garfield Park but the entire map of Chicago was available (although there weren't images for every street, of course). The images were high def as well, which was amazing.
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