Not so: Delta and Southwest at least probably had the cash to weather the storm and, had the government NOT "helped them" would have come out the other end looking really great with almost no competitors.

The government really helped the flying public more than at least those 2 airlines by keeping the others in business to provide competition in fares.

Have you noticed the government never did "help" the cruise lines and they are still all in existence with, they claim, stronger bookings than before the pandemic.

I'm pretty proud of my little blueish purple part of a reddish purple state:

https://www.gvnews.com/news/pima-cou...iderail-latest

67.5% of children 12 and up is particularly good. In much of the US it's so far more like 25%. And "over 90%" of seniors is comparable to deep blue San Francisco.

FIFY

Obviously if it causes restrictions to be reimposed that’s bad. But it’s the reaction not the disease that is the issue, really.

I don’t even wear one on the tube anymore. More and more people aren’t.

Yep

Despite overwhelming evidence that the vaccines have turned the virus, including all of its variants into a veritable common cold, some morons are still treating this thing like it’s a killer plague and monitoring it like one would monitor enemy troops during war.

A total shutdown in reason and logic.

UK in point.

Cases have reached a new peak, meanwhile deaths remain rock bottom

Is that enough to convince the fear-porn-media-pharmaceutical industrial complex? Nooooo…. Pfizer is now going to make more billions selling its modified Delta variant vaccine that nobody needs.

Unless real cold, hard data shows me that any new variant is a substantial threat to my health and life beyond what a Flu does to you, I don’t plan to get any modified vaccines to this virus. I am the most pro-vaccine advocate you will ever meet, but even I am growing wary and suspicious of what’s happening. They are trying to press us into a perpetual cycle of shot/new variant/new shot/new variant, etc. Not sure I’m down with that program.

Don't we need yearly flu vaccines for new strains that constantly emerge?

The only time I've worn a mask over the past few months is to fly and they are hard asses about it.

^ They are recommended, yes.

But do you recall the media and Governments obsessing over this, tracking daily cases, naming each and every new variant, and then reporting them every single day to the wider public who mostly does not understand how to interpret said information?

Rational minds need to control the conversation here and remind people that if you're vaccinated, you can live life normally, variants or not. This "the variants are coming!" is the most disingenuous, toxic, perhaps even nefariously motivated cesspool of nonsense I've seen any time recently. It needs to stop.

I'll finally get my 1st Pfizer injection next Friday. Not too soon, huh.
2nd injection is scheduled on 08/11. I just need to be up to date for September, when summer is done.

Right now, it's a bit of a struggle to get an appointment in vaccination centers because they've been overbooked here.
At this point, I'm outright in favor of compulsory vaccination for everyone, except of course for people suffering from peculiar allergy, but that's only a small part of the population.

Experts say it's the only way to get rid of the pandemic. If we're not vaccinated, we'll keep on spreading the virus, that's likely to cause more aggressive and harmful variants.
So vaccination is a mere duty for everybody. Again, it simply should be compulsory.

Well, I'm thankful of this:

Don't make any plans for 08/12.

Exactly. The UK numbers right now are an extraordinary snapshot of the vaccines working exactly as they were planned. Many unvaccinated people catching this thing are likely younger people that will recover. The people who are most susceptible have mostly likely been vaccinated >90%, hence you see nearly zero deaths.

Pretty interesting from a scientific/statistical analysis perspective.

This :tup:

I find these temporary things on the streets to be a bit messy. It makes us look like a silly Mediterranean seaside resort with their cheap camping sites all over the freaking place, except we don't have the Med sea out here.

I miss the pre-COVID genuine look of local cafés and restaurants. They usually do better than this to the streetscape on Spring and Summer.

Which, of course, is among the reasons why the cases in the UK are rising. Nothing to boast about.

Certainly the vaccines are working. But the case numbers are higher than they need to be among the unvaccinated for whatever reason because the same idiots who aren't vaccinated also aren't wearing masks when they should. And before you say you have no sympathy for them--I don't either--it's just sad for them that they are doubly ignorant. The fact is they SHOULD be wearing masks. And as a side effect, we might have fewer "break-through" cases also if they did.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/strong-...d=hp_lead_pos6

You're welcome.

As I've been saying, it ain't over until it's over and it ain't over. Those of you sneering at people wanting to maximize their own safety by wearing masks should be ashamed of yourselves. No harm is being done to you except the obvious disagreement with you smugness:

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/ser...959608/enhance
https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/a...s-16304635.php

Ped give it up



This whole thing is over


And I swear to what ever



If the adults in the room ever let this kind of global lockdown ever happen again I would be sad more than sad








Trust me

The Common cold ain’t over either, genius....

The fact that cases are rising doesn’t matter. In fact it’s a good thing - it will get young people antibodies faster than they can procure and deliver Pfizer vax doses.

As in the US, the people still being hospitalised or dying are mostly anti-vaxxers, and fuck them.

Young people in the UK haven't been dying from Covid either. This is a good thing. 5x as many kids have died from suicide than Covid in the UK.

You can wear a mask for the rest of your life if you want to. Nobody ever said you shouldn't wear a mask. You just look really dumb when you're outside by yourself wearing a mask.

If they work, then you'll be ok!

Bring on MU-2022!

Yesterday I went to a bar and enjoyed a 20 oz draft in all its glory, then went to the grocery store, not a damn mask in sight.

Shame on us! The scary Delta variant is going to kill us all, right CNN?

UK, Israeli have presented evidence that Delta is less lethal than the other variants. And given that the US is closing in on 70% with at least a single shot, is there is anything to be concerned with? Full ICUs?
https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/dont-b...ess-dangerous/

100% anecdotal, but my wife's good friend is a nurse at a hospital here in Chicago, and she came over for dinner the other night and she said last week was the first week since the pandemic began that their hospital didn't admit a single covid patient to the ICU.

That's not data, but I took it as a positive sign nonetheless

It's largely over if you're vaccinated.

I was just in rural Arkansas and lots of people are still getting very sick and dying there. I suspect it is a similar story across the country.

This is an urban-minded forum so anecdotally the pandemic may be over amongst fully-vaccinated city dwellers but it's still raging in our rural areas with no signs of abatement.

Because they chose NOT to get vaccinated.

I'll go check my rural area -
43.5% still unvaccinated and we are right next to the bay area.

That is not good though for places with limited medical facilities (like my area). If there is to be another SURGE, then my county will have to send patients to other counties.
rising cases do matter.

So you guys are ok with them dying but not a forced injection one time in there lives? Dang.
It's not a true "fuck em". It's half. To fully do that we must break their spirit and vaccinate.

100.

99.2% of Covid deaths in June were the unvaccinated.

Get vaccinated and move on. There is no reason or basis to shut it all down again from media sensationalism at this point.

That's a good sign!

Cases can rise (to the moon) as long as we have our most vulnerable vaccinated, especially those that live in areas with a lot of people!

So don't buy the media hype (fear porn?) and you won't be worried about another lockdown :tup:.

After 2020, there are some elected officials that are reluctant to loosen their grip on the emergency powers granted to them. As a result, I wouldn't say I'm worried (bc I follow the science), but I can't rule anything out in the Covid-21 season we're in.

Btw, I haven't bought any of the fear porn since May 2020.
Have you?

I think it'd be good to see further data on what % of these cases are in vaccinated vs unvaccinated people, and within these 2 subgroups, how many of them are hospitalized and/or die. Without this information, the applicability of the data you've posted is limited.

Please list all of these officials in the CE, and I am assuming some of them come from my state...since it is "the lockdown state"? People who accepted the fear porn about the variants are only doing the same thing as you. They aren't ruling out the T virus mutation in those kinda areas...with red hats.
Well not really since I don't have cable and live in a rural area :shrug: but if Yahoo! tells me to do it, maybe I will?

What's the CE?

You misread what I was implying. I can't rule anything out bc of the politicians (that refuse to release their emergencies powers, which were granted to them..by..themselves - see the bomb A gif down below :D ). <-They also refuse to accept the science with vaccinations and natural immunity.

Get it?

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Hospitalizations are beginning to surge in many of the low vaccination states. Patients hospitalized with Covid shot up 35% this week in Florida after a long slow decline. Up 27% from the previous week in Nevada. Up 15% for the US as a whole after having declined for a while.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...tal-admissions

Am I ok with it? Yes, because they CHOSE not to get vaccinated. You keep missing this point, and it's getting annoying. Why should any of us feel sympathy for communities that reject science and have to deal with the consequences?

Because these are people, your fellow Americans. Yeah I’m frustrated that people aren’t getting vaccinated for whatever reason especially those that openly refuse to because of wild conspiracy theories. But to not feel sympathy for people getting sick and dying and being “ok with it”? What kind of heartless asshole are you?

I think we as humans should be sympathetic for any pain and suffering but those who forgo getting vaccinated are rolling the dice on their own health and shouldn't hold the rest of us hostage for wanting to get back to some normalcy.

Saying we don’t care doesn’t mean we’re hoping that people die, or even not feeling sympathy (in a way, it’s not their fault they are stupid). But we aren’t going to tolerate restrictions, or even inconveniences, in our own lives because these people refuse to have the vaccines they are offered.

It has literally been a few months since the first COVID-19 vaccines were made available to most people. It will all shake out in due time given the safety and efficacy of the shots.

This moment has a bit of that post-9/11 panic feeling to it. It's understandable, but the big ships are turning, and that will continue. Many people who are reluctant to take action in such a climate will come on board as life resumes.

The demand for large polities to act in unison in very short timeframes is a potential vector for repressive measures. They just came out, it's the seasonal low cycle for respiratory illness, just....hold your horses!

Whether or not you feel sympathy is beside the point, as public policy doesn't reach that level of personal emotion.

The point is to factor all variables into your equation, including reluctance.

Modelling based on near-total compliance within 6-12 months seems potentially unscientific in and of itself given the access we have to data from past campaigns and drug roll-outs; hesitancy is always a factor.

Pre-scientific approaches, of course, have the advantage of rolling on a much more emotional level where datasets are further broken down into their supposed internal motivations, such that heresy can just be "stamped out" or similar. But of course we are much more tied to data and the experimental process now.

There are a lot of people that have not gotten the jab because they have already had and recovered from covid. Estimates are that 100 million Americans have had Covid. In time, these people will probably get vaccinated. Your doctor will tell you not to get a shot for a few months after a Covid infection. Again, the US is closing in on 70% with at least one shot.

Blacks and Hispanics have been lagging behind Whites and Asians. Rural areas lagging behind urban areas. And the combination of the two.

I have to say I'm really not liking how many people have concluded that any adult who hasn't gotten vaccinated yet is an antivax Trumpist moron, and deserves whatever they get.

Large numbers of blacks and Latinos, along with younger people, still haven't gotten the shot. They will presumably be more persuadable than the Qanon folks.

^ Yep

But characterizing large and disparate numbers of people with one dismissive label is pretty much what to expect these days

^ Not me.

I tell my patients who've had COVID (and recovered) to get the shot without delay.

The reason for the recommended delay was a response to a scenario, months ago, when enough vaccine wasn't available. The idea was to allow more vulnerable people to get the shot, which was hard to find at the time. People who'd had COVID were relatively immune so their getting vaccinated was less of a priority.

Now, however, with there being more vaccine than we know what to do with, everybody who's had COVID should get the shot, no delay necessary.

I flew for the first time from SFO to Logan (2 areas with high vaccination rates) and all I can say is the plane sounded like a covid ward. So many (mostly young people) caughing and hacking the entire flight. It was really annoying. They dont check temperatures. So many sick looking and sounding people on that flight.������