Phoenix took 2 big steps backwards yesterday with the NIMBY's winning this and winning against the Camelback LRT extension. With all the progress Phoenix has been making over the last decade towards becoming a more connected denser/urban city...these 2 things...along with the fight for height at the lot next to Spaghetti Factory, the Northwest extension getting halted and the South Central extension still in who knows what...this city is slowly regressing back to the ways of the 90's.

The current state of the city council is a mess.

As far as I know, the Northwest (Metrocenter) extension is still happening as long as the Aug27 vote goes our way. Did I miss something? If be kind of angry if they halted that particular extension as it brings the rail closer to me place heh. Also MetroCenter is ready to rock.
The Camelback extension was headed in the wrong direction imo, should've extended towards the East to get to the 24th St/Camelback area as it's begun to go vertical.

The district 8 runoff also worries me. Carlos Garcia is a sworn enemy of the Light Rail and Mike Johnson has been silent on it. I'd rather have a pro-growth Republican than an anti-development democrat

That might be a little dramatic. The people that live in PHX country club have a lot of money and thus a lot of pull. Somebody involved with blocking this tower must have the councils ear, as stupid as it is.

Politics is politics. Even midtown Manhattan projects get delayed for years over this kind of shit, blocked views, shade on peoples patios etc.

Sorry, I meant the NorthEast to Paradise Valley Mall area. Also, no chance ever that this would go through Biltmore. It would not even made it to City Council.

I do not think so at all. Look at the last few city council meetings. A lot is getting denied or sent back to the drawing boards. The South Central extension is not 100% a done deal. If the lawsuit doesn't go in favor, then it goes back to the voters in August. With all the negative publicity and adding that these two other extensions are cancelled, I am leary about this going to another vote. They've killed a high-rise that was not even that tall. The other fight for height brewing next to Spaghetti Warhouse is most likely going to fail. Yesterday's meeting, a few council members were even questioning the I-10 West extension. Laura Pastor completely caved to the tower protestors which was unexpected. The developer was even willing to got 140'. She knocked it down to 110'....barely 7 or 8 floors. We'll see if the Country Club even pursues building anything at this point. My guess is they won't be able to get enough units in to get this to pencil out and they halt the development.

This council sucks. It seems like none of them are for the urbanization of Phoenix. I feel like we just went back 10-12 years.

why do you so badly want a tall building on the Phoenix Country Club parking lot?

Im not going to go along with "the sky is falling weve gone back to 90's" thats absolutely hyperbolic nonsense.

The fact is, with ride sharing, self driving cars, cheap gas for the forseable future the incentive to invest in mass transit is at an all time low and its not just here its nationwide.

The city council other than the last couple of meetings have been overwhelimingly supportive of highrises and apartments and tiny units and shrinking street widths and all sorts fo things that go against your claim.

They kill a 7 story condo building at 7th street and Thomas...itll be fine. If it takes an extra 5 or 6 years to build the light rail out...it will also be fine.

Council members were suggesting 2036 to revisit Camelback. That's slightly more than 5 or 6 years. Either way, the decision was to halt it "indefinitely" which who knows when it will come back. Maybe 5 or 6 years...maybe 2036. To me, waiting 17 years is a little too late. Phoenix will have another 100,000+ residents by then with more traffic and not enough mass transit.

Assuming we grow at the historical average we have been for the last 20 years Phoenix will have A LOT more than 100k more residents in 2036

The metro will have an additional 1.5 million people assuming growth continues as it has.

I just meant Phoenix...not the Metro as a whole. This is a Phoenix only mass transit issue, so I'm not including Metro numbers.

Phoenix only?
 

We'll be forced to revisit this sooner than later, but yeah. We're filling in as a region, so the solution will probably have to be regional. We'll see.

Much more than that - by 2050 (about 30 years) anticipate it will double to 7M-8M. Somewhere there is a giant ‘official’ state spreadsheet with all these growth estimates...

Regardless - we doubled the last 30 years, we expect to do about the same over the next.

And yes - THIS is what MAG, city councils, etc should all be looking at when planning and making decisions like these.

Honestly - I think what we’re seeing with the council right now is a bunch of people jockeying for position and getting what they can to make people happy before the new mayor steps in. We’ve had a bit of a vacuum since Stanton left and that vacuum has left the city more or less ‘leaderless’.

Though honestly not sure the new mayor will be as impactful as Stanton - I don’t see her as a visionary. (None of the candidates were at the level, IMHO)

No doubt - I can't imagine the enormous amount of money already FLUSHED down the toilet due to these invasive members of the community and city council - it would make me want to walk from doing development here if I was the developer.

Article on the One Camelback renovating to apartments. Excited to see this come together over the next year.

https://azbigmedia.com/stellar-resid...back-building/

Thought they were going to be Condos

Honestly, the NIMBYs deserve a 110' building with zero setback, like the Local in Tempe. It's way more of an imposing building. How are they going to feel once the Camelback car dealerships start coming out over the next 10 years?

Yeah you already see it along Camelback, those dealerships are sitting on prime land for apartments, offices and Hotels.

Apparently they are still planning on building even at the smaller scale.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...of-luxury.html

Interesting crane app filed
 

I got an FAA notification about a new crane app for the Northeast corner of 3rd Ave and McKinley for a 'McKinley Tower Crane' at 130'.
2019-AWP-1214-OE

The current structure on that lot appears to be a derelict 2-story apartment building.
The property owner is MCKINLEY LAND DEVELOPMENT LLC. Formed in 2017. Statutory agents include Haselden Investments/Barrington Apartments. Based in Colorado.

Nothing is filed with the city yet afaik. Interesting to note that the current max height for this lot is 65'.
The tower crane could be for demolition?
An alternative reading could also mean they plan to build a 'McKinley Tower', but idk what kind of 'tower' you can build with a 130' crane.
Good one to watch.