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Steely Dan Sep 22, 2017 2:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 7930043)
People use open space if it is sunny, and do not use it if it isn't, in all but desert climates.

uh oh. it looks like we're gonna have to tear down all of those towers around daley plaza.

and look at this garbage casting a shadow over st. mark's square. tear that shit down!


F1 Tommy Sep 22, 2017 2:29 PM

I thought direct sunlight is bad for your skin. I think these developers are trying to save lives by blocking it.:D

pilsenarch Sep 22, 2017 4:21 PM

I was always giving Mr.D. the benefit of the doubt about this shading issue... you know, he appears to be an intelligent guy and so he's just trolling us, right? Mr.D., I am seriously reconsidering at this point, so at the risk of feeding you, you need to seriously reconsider the context that you make your 'shading' protests in... objectively, they are ridiculous and your previous posts just reinforce the silliness...

Bonsai Tree Sep 22, 2017 5:05 PM

^ I think it's time for everyone to move on . . . :runaway:

Cheap_Shot Sep 22, 2017 6:02 PM


Originally Posted by Bonsai Tree (Post 7930310)
^ I think it's time for everyone to move on . . . :runaway:

Just wanted to throw this out there. This little purple block represents less than 3% of Grant Park/Downtown Lakefront.

BVictor1 Sep 23, 2017 10:05 AM


10023 Sep 23, 2017 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 7930043)
The average high in Chicago on Sept. 10 is 74º (this year—a Sunday—it was 67º). Looking at historic averages, people in Grant Park are seeking the warmth of sunshine from mid August until the following June. This summer, there have only been 17 days when you would prefer the shade for reasons of comfort.

74 degrees is about when I start looking for shade.

And it's 90 all weekend in Chicago. I'd be looking for shade, if I was outside at all.

sentinel Sep 23, 2017 1:47 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 7929654)
It's a basic axiom of urban design that you do not shadow public open spaces. For that reason, the Central Station PD specified that developments must not "significantly shadow public or private open space."

Curious, what program did you use to create these shadows? I've used two separate programs, with somewhat mixed results.

Mr Downtown Sep 23, 2017 1:57 PM

^I have to do them by hand, calculating their lengths using the sun azimuth formulae from the Naval Observatory. Luckily, there was a rendering showing the four buildings' northern façades from the park that I could stretch and skew in Photoshop to get the right shapes.

sentinel Sep 23, 2017 2:10 PM

Sketchup has what I believe is one the better/most user-friendly sun shading modelers, for a reasonable $599. I've used it twice now, for two separate mid-rise projects, and it's a great tool.

That being said, 2pm shadows are one thing, but I don't think they will be much of a concern in the afternoon, whether in May or in October, since the shadows will fall more towards the east and not as directly in the park. Late afternoon and early evening shadows cast in Grant Park from along the Michigan Avenue side are more dramatic because the sun is much lower at that point in the west, so even a 15-25 story building can cast a pretty dramatic shadow at 5pm.

harryc Sep 23, 2017 5:30 PM

Sept 23

LouisVanDerWright Sep 23, 2017 11:07 PM

^^^ Too bad we will never see that statue again after it's been plunged into perpetual darkness once this tower is complete.

sentinel Sep 26, 2017 3:48 AM

Pray keep the discussion on the building itself, not each other. Thanks.

BVictor1 Sep 26, 2017 6:47 AM


donnie Sep 29, 2017 12:38 PM

Anyone else think One Grant Park would look good with a Spire?

LouisVanDerWright Sep 29, 2017 2:33 PM

^^^ Absolutely not, spires are inherently terrible.

Near North Resident Sep 29, 2017 2:50 PM

ew no

jc5680 Sep 29, 2017 3:39 PM


Originally Posted by donnie (Post 7936983)
Anyone else think One Grant Park would look good with a Spire?

Dude, c’mon

Khantilever Sep 29, 2017 6:32 PM


Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 7937076)
^^^ Absolutely not, spires are inherently terrible.

Totally. One of the things I'm still proud of is that Chicago still has the title for tallest in the US by floor to roof height, and even the other "tallest" are not that tall; I think roughly 30% of the Burj Khalifa is actually uninhabitable space. Decorative spires are cheap ways of pushing upward and contradict the ethos of Chicago architecture.

Kumdogmillionaire Sep 29, 2017 7:00 PM


Originally Posted by donnie (Post 7936983)
Anyone else think One Grant Park would look good with a Spire?

No one is going to agree with you on this, you can keep asking in all the threads

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