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Los Angeles Past Apr 12, 2010 2:29 PM


Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 4790819)
this 1868 shot looking south from poundcake hill is amazing. a completely barren bunker hill before Beaudry's development is on the right. Third street is the main street off in the distance running from right to left. Broadway is the street in the middle of the photo. Hill Street at the base of Bunker Hill is just a dirt path at best. In later years, this view would be looking right smack at the north elevation of the hall of records. this view today would be looking at the north side of the LA times building complex

The street at the lower left side running left right, (court street?), is clearly at an offset angle to the eventual grid. This is the same angle that the old hall of records building will be built to...................................40 years after this photo was taken!!!!!

This is one of my very favorite views of historical Los Angeles. :) It truly is an astonishing image.

I think the street at left center is Franklin. Only one city block long, it connected Broadway and Spring Street, and was the southern terminus of New High Street.

ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2010 2:36 PM

Does anyone know where the El Centenario Cafe was located?
Obviously the number is 501....but I don't know the street.

gsjansen Apr 12, 2010 3:55 PM

I tried to find out some information on El Centenario Cafe, but so far have come up empty. I'll keep looking

Here are some before and later shots looking north at the intersection of Hill Street and Temple through the years. The images are all pretty much taken from just North of Court street



CA 1940

ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2010 4:06 PM

The label on this photo was..."Looking southwest on Aliso Street from brewery".
The date is 1899.
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Below: This is also a view from the brewery in 1899. Would anyone have an idea what brewery they're referring to?
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I wish I could read the writing on the roof of the barn-like building on the right. It says Los Angeles.....something. :(

gsjansen Apr 12, 2010 4:17 PM

Hill street looking south from up on top of court hill 1951

oh my gawd!!!! pensioners enjoying a beautiful tree shaded vista in dare they!!!!:mad:

quick, someone call planning and zoning.....better yet the CRA. how dare we allow this kind of derelict blight to exist in our downtown area, and don't forget to get those dayum shade trees out of there as well :tantrum:
Cal State Library

ahhhhhhh much better

nothing to see here....move along........sheeesh...............

ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2010 4:18 PM

Tallyho Stable on the northwest corner of 1st Street & Broadway in the 1870s.
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gsjansen Apr 12, 2010 4:31 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4791610)
Would anyone have an idea what brewery they're referring to?

I beleive that the brewery is the Maier Zobelein Brewery. They were famous for brew 102. During my Noir festival this weekend, quite a few of the street shots of police cars zooming around town, featured billboards for Brew 102.

here is a wikimapia page about the brewery showing where it was located

here a link for a 2005 los angels times article about the brewery

and here's one more link with images from the freeway system. the last image on the page is a 1974 image looking west on the 101 past the brewery. the caption is interesting, as the 101 makes a jog at this point to bypass the brewery which is still there while the brewery building is long gone

ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2010 5:06 PM

Wow, I didn't realize the Brew 102 brewery existed way back in 1899.

We had briefly discussed the Brew 102 Building earlier in the thread.
I'll repost this interesting photo from 1952. (view from atop City Hall)
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Thanks for the Maier Zobelein Brewery information and links gsjansen.

GaylordWilshire Apr 12, 2010 6:40 PM

Well, gsjansen... while your amazing pictures--all of those you've posted recently, but especially those of Hill Street looking south--are indeed enough to make one weep, I do have a certain fondness for the courthouse in the second shot (the one with the Corvair)... Perry Mason helped make it an L.A. icon for me growing up.


Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 4791630)

nothing to see here....move along........sheeesh...............

ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2010 2:08 AM

Main Street from 3rd, 1890.
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ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2010 2:13 AM

I've recently posted a photo from this area......but this photo is much more expansive.
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ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2010 2:22 AM

Main Street looking north from 2nd Street in 1889.
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gsjansen Apr 13, 2010 12:23 PM

Another then, later, and now set
3rd and grand looking North west

The Nugent Hotel is on the NW corner, renamed the new grand hotel when this photo was taken. Notice how 3rd street runs uphill to bunker hill avenue west of Grand
Charles W. Cushman Photograph Collection
Indiana University Archives / Digital Library Program

Grand Avenue and Bunker Hill Avenue have been obliterated, (bunker hill avenue forever, grand avenue temporarily). Hope Street is the road ahead. Bunker hill towers is on the right, and the top of the western terminus of the the third street tunnel is straight ahead

With the hill leveled and regraded, 3rd street now runs downhill west of Grand

GaylordWilshire Apr 13, 2010 12:40 PM

gsjansen: NOW you're depressing me. At least your Hill and Court street views had some '60s remnants in the form of the courthouse and the Hall of Administration. But keep posting your great finds.

gsjansen Apr 13, 2010 12:41 PM

and of course....another then and later set
Hope and 3rd looking west

off in the distance is the belmont hotel which is located at belmont and 1st. this shot is taken directly on top of what would become the western terminus of the 3rd street tunnel



gsjansen Apr 13, 2010 5:15 PM

still trying to catch up
as I've been scrolling back and viewing this thread from the beginning, this particular image from page 7 absolutely blew me away.

I had never seen this image before. My best educated guess is that the image was taken sometime in 1963. The Mission hotel is still intact at the SW corner of Olive and 2nd. The Dome is still open for business at 2nd and grand. Bunker Hill Avenue still exists and terminates at 2nd street at the upper center of the photo. Flower and hope street still run straight as two separate street at this point before flower would be curved to the east and merge with hope to allow for the construction of the bunker hill towers.

WOW! what a view!

sopas ej Apr 13, 2010 6:25 PM


Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 4791456)
I myself spent the weekend viewing my own little private noir festival. I had received my copy of the exiles on Friday....Great movie with some fabulous extras, particularly bunker hill 1956, and the last day of angels flight. I also watched, (much to my wife and kids annoyance), Acts of violence, M, the indestructible man, (alright, i actually fast forwarded through that one to the street scenes of the follies, and the entire angels flight scene, and the murder scene in the Bradbury building), criss cross, the turning point, (what cracks me up with this one, is that it's supposed to take place in a mid-western Indiana town:haha: ), the scar, and finished off last night with angels flight. I've seen kiss me deadly so many times, i chose to leave this one off the agenda this weekend. Has Marian Carr done anything other than Kiss me Deadly and The Indestructible Man?

Funny, because on Sunday I went to Vidiots in Santa Monica and bought a copy of "The Exiles" just for those extras. The film itself is a great documentation of pre-destroyed Bunker Hill. I saw "The Exiles" after its restoration a few years ago at the Armand Hammer Museum.

Say, you're a big film noir buff, I was wondering if you (or anyone else) could answer a question; at the last Film Noir Festival I sent to, I saw a film but forgot the title; it was set in San Francisco and is about a doctor who is married and has kids, but he has an affair with a woman, then fakes his death so that he can be with her. But of course things go wrong and it has an ironic ending. Would you happen to know which film I'm talking about? I'm wondering if it's available on DVD.

ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2010 7:17 PM

A 1951 plan for an auditorium and trade fair center.

oops! I just realized I posted this before. I'll leave it anyway. -sorry-
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Below: At the same time the music center was proposed for a site at 6th & Hoover.
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ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2010 7:22 PM

The following two I haven't posted before.

Plan for a civic auditorium 1953.
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Below: Plan for a civic auditorium 1954.
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There are more cool proposals/plans here, starting at post #344. (if you missed them the first time around)

GaylordWilshire Apr 13, 2010 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 4793246)

At left are the Grand Street ends of the
"Perry Mason" courthouse (at 1st St.) and the Hall of Administration
(btw, the great Paul Williams had a hand in the design of both).

Here is the facade of the the courthouse: photo

And going up at right is the Water & Power Building by Albert Martin: L. A. Times

The DWP building is great when lit up at night...
that is, if they still light the whole thing up these days.

I guess it's not Bunker Hill... but by now, these
buildings are practically Old Los Angeles...Chief
Parker was still in power...

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