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Man, Madison Square Garden is sure one ugly ass building. Wish they would reconstruct Penn Station.
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There's not enough lipstick in the world to put on that pig(MSG)… I seriously hope they won't drop the ball and give an extension that would essentially keep it there until midcentury. The Dolans may be powerful, but there could be so much done to improve the transit/pedestrian experience by moving MSG out of there. We won't get the old Penn Station back( though some of that prestige and grandeur will be restored by the Moynihan Train Hall across the street) but we can finally try to get things right.
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what's a shame about msg is as hideous as it is on the outside is as nice as it is inside. and the sound is just spectacular for an arena. its probably the very best big arena for concerts sound-wise.
of course that's not good enough though. tear that sh*t down. bring back light to our embarrassing rat maze basement. if paris can do it with les halles, which once was a twin of this penn station, it can be done! |
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...wye-story.html
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I can't figure out why Cuomo decided to basically re-announce the Penn South component of Amtrak's Gateway plan and add another track. NY's love affair with enormously expensive stub terminals is totally irrational. With no new Hudson tunnel to serve it the entire plan is worse than worthless.
If you're going to spend a few billion bucks pick a NJT line or two to outfit with LIRR power and just dig a tunnel from Penn to the East Side Access so people can actually reach east midtown which is where they want to go. Through run the services on both sides of Manhattan to boost capacity. |
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The new tunnel component is gonna have to happen anyway, but it makes no sense to increase tunnel capacity without anywhere for the trains to go. The two plans go hand in hand, which is why the southern expansion has been on the board for years. But I don’t understand. You do nothing, people complain. Announce plans to address the issue, they still complain. You aren’t gonna please all critics, which is why I hope Cuomo moves ahead with this plan like Moses. |
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Clearly some people just like to argue. When Moynihan was expanded, people whined "you can't expand, there are no new tracks". Now that they're adding tracks, people are whining "you can't add new tracks, there's no tunnel". When the tunnel is added it will be back to "you can't add a new tunnel, we have to expand". NIMBY nonsense. |
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What's totally irresponsible is that the station has taken so long to expand, when it has been well over capacity for so long. |
Looking back at the JDS bid for the project, which pretty much covers the same themes...
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Pouring a fortune into an expanded Hudson served stub without the capability to utilize it makes zero sense even if I disagree with the cost effectiveness of the original plan. The East Side Access was essentially headed to a similar fate until the 3rd Main Track and Ronkonkoma double track projects finally moved. |
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Then you showed this. And it did. This project is the biggest waste of money I have ever seen in my entire life. There are absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever about the proposal. Doing NOTHING AT ALL has better transportation value than this monstrosity of a project. |
I don't know, the LGA Airtrain is up for the same prize.
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Yeah, there is absolutely no value to spending a penny on public transit in the most transit-dependent location in North America, underneath the largest and most productive business district on the planet, in a region encompassing 10% of the U.S. economy. The money should be flushed down the toilet in foreign adventures rather than giving people prosperity and mobility in the U.S. |
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