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Where will all those extra drivers park? I assume any parking around the stadium is already filled up during events by those who just refuse to take transit. Land values are really too high to build more parking, so anybody who decided to drive to the new MSG instead of taking transit would quickly find that the 1200' walk to Penn Station is small compared to the walk from their parking garage. On top of that, you've got bridge/tunnel tolls, gas cost, and congestion. Plus, transit to the game will always have one big edge over driving - freedom to drink without fear of drunk driving. |
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As far as Farley/Moynihan goes, you can see the entrances now, and it looks to be on target for a fall opening. But the big picture will be when they begin phase 2. http://www.designboom.com/architectu...rk-01-08-2016/ [This particular image I like because it opens up this concourse to daylight (upper concourse). http://www.designboom.com/wp-content...ignboom-05.jpg Because of the layout, the ceilings on the lower concourse would still be low in some areas. They need to create a direct exit on the west end (the new Farley concourse is further west). http://www.designboom.com/wp-content...ignboom-11.jpg http://inhabitat.com/nyc/governor-cu...-penn-station/ http://inhabitat.com/nyc/wp-content/...or-Cuomo-5.jpg |
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When we just built to build. The original Penn Station was equipped to handle increased passenger traffic for decades to come. Trying to work around MSG is time consuming.
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Governor Cuomo unveils plans for Penn Station's massive revamp
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^ Ugh. This is lipstick on a pig. All the shiny signage and well-dressed stock figures can't make up for the fact that Penn Station is functionally obsolete and spatially far too cramped.
This is not going to compete with any major European train terminal for architecture or functionality. The architecture seems about equally boring to a major Japanese train terminal, but without the efficient train movements and passenger flows. |
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Not surprised Vornado/Related got it again. Between the two of them, that entire swath of Manhattan all the way to the river could be their own individual city. Call it Vornated.
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well regardless of when moynihan opens, the existing areas of penn do need rehabbed, so sure what the heck. it will look very weirdly out of date and will need redone yet again when the farley is finally converted though.
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Okay so Ticketing and platform access for Amtrak and LIRR is moving to Moynihan
Will the Amtrak and LIRR sections of the current Penn station remain Amtrak and LIRR sections, respectively, after the overhaul? So that there will be two ticketing areas and multiple platform access points for Amtrak and LIRR in both Moynihan and the current Penn Station, right? |
The new hall looks fine. The remodeled LIRR concourse however is hideous.
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2020? :haha:
That would be nice if it actually happens. I hope it does. Given the bureaucratic nightmare that this project will be and has been since talks of upgrading Penn, it would be a change if this is finished by the end of 2020. |
The Moynihan train hall looks fine and will be a nice extension of Penn Station, but the fact remains that any deal that leaves MSG in place (and thus Penn Station completely underground) is an insult to the people of NY.
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Twitter: @2AvSagas It's not that difficult...4 years a reasonable amount of time to construct the Moynihan Hall (the station [annex], itself, is Farley, now?), expand the existing LIRR concourse (underneath 8th Ave, right?), and reconstruct the ACE and 123 subway stations (something the MTA was already preparing to do; although, I'm unclear if these two stations were included in the original press release). The point of today's announcement, is that they've already moved through the procurement process (i.e. they actually have private partners/designs) and have funding/financing lined up). Those two things are typically what drags out the process. http://i.imgur.com/pSNejaxl.jpg Twitter: @2AvSagas What remains to be seen is just what ESD (and Cuomo, tbh) see as next-steps, regarding platform improvements at the existing station, given that the governor doesn't appear supportive of moving MSG; also, rethinking some of the existing proposals for Penn South, as part of the Gateway Program. |
Fancy new train hall, but same old shit at platform level. Lipstick on a pig?
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Moving Amtrak from Penn station has to help alleviate some congestion. Widening the new LIRR concourse at 33rd Street to three-times its current 25 feet (which will also have higher ceilings) has to alleviate some congestion Having LIRR platform access from Moynihan has to alleviate some congestion Having some LIRR go to Grand Central with East Side Access has to alleviate some congestion |
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