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emathias Apr 15, 2014 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by le_brew (Post 6540792)
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new mediums of transit need to be adopted (other than BRT); nostalgia does not get you there efficiently.

I'd argue that what needs to be embraced is TOD zoning that brings ridership and usage up to levels where improving service becomes not just more cost-effective, but more politically possible.

le_brew Apr 15, 2014 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 6541151)
This thread shouldn't veer into arcane Chicago facts but the Brown Line's "Ravenswood Connector" is currently getting just such a rehab, between Armitage and Merchandise Mart. Lots of new welding, repair of damaged components, and (hopefully) a total repainting of the structure.

That Cityplace graphic is cool. It's crazy that DART sank so much money into only one station when the rest of the system is of a lower grade.

yes, chicago's transit is an exercise in frustration. welding and repairs will have to be repeated again and again (patchwork). the newer transit systems are fortunate to be building from scratch.

derek, what is portland's station called which the deepest? i want to look it up.

texcolo Apr 16, 2014 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 6541151)
This thread shouldn't veer into arcane Chicago facts but the Brown Line's "Ravenswood Connector" is currently getting just such a rehab, between Armitage and Merchandise Mart. Lots of new welding, repair of damaged components, and (hopefully) a total repainting of the structure.

That Cityplace graphic is cool. It's crazy that DART sank so much money into only one station when the rest of the system is of a lower grade.

They were originally going to have it run along the Katy Line, but the rich folk who live in Highland Park objected, thus cutting out the only reasonable way out the north end of downtown Dallas. The subway was a very expensive alternative. There's been rumors about room for a second station to the north of Cityplace, called Knox / Henderson, but that's never been substantiated. It would make a great place for a station since there's a high end retail in that area.

mrnyc Apr 16, 2014 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by texcolo (Post 6541307)
They were originally going to have it run along the Katy Line, but the rich folk who live in Highland Park objected, thus cutting out the only reasonable way out the north end of downtown Dallas. The subway was a very expensive alternative. There's been rumors about room for a second station to the north of Cityplace, called Knox / Henderson, but that's never been substantiated. It would make a great place for a station since there's a high end retail in that area.

yeah cityplace is pretty cool. its an interesting experiment for dart rail. more to come in the future closer to downtown no doubt.

ajmstilt Apr 19, 2014 4:36 AM

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Originally Posted by texcolo (Post 6541307)
They were originally going to have it run along the Katy Line, but the rich folk who live in Highland Park objected, thus cutting out the only reasonable way out the north end of downtown Dallas. The subway was a very expensive alternative. There's been rumors about room for a second station to the north of Cityplace, called Knox / Henderson, but that's never been substantiated. It would make a great place for a station since there's a high end retail in that area.

Knox/Henderson
It's more than a rumor, the box for the station is there. (Box is same as Cityplace) And is setup as an emergency exit. (Exit near Willis street at the NB 75) You can actually see the plywood/concrete blocks where they walled it off from the tracks if you look out the windows closely, pay attention to elevation it's actually the lowest point in the tunnel.

Edit to add, you can even easily find one of the vents at the NE corner of Willis and Central. (across from the La Quinta.)

*Long ago when the line first opened you could actually see the roughed in box before it was closed up.

dubu May 11, 2014 1:14 AM

i wish most of the cities in the us were like vancouver, small and with grade separate trains.

portland will be just as good as vancouver someday, well if a eathquake doesnt destroy the west coast

Austinlee May 11, 2014 1:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ColDayMan (Post 6535652)
Cincinnati has four subway stations that are currently being used by Casper, Slimer, and George Burns.

4 stations... it wouldve been the same size as Pittsburgh's anemic system.

JustSomeGuyWho May 11, 2014 3:38 AM

It would take a miracle to get a subway in Indianapolis. Getting closer to getting some sort of rail transit but it is a difficult fight. Very conservative area. The arguments of course are that the city isn't dense enough (even though cities of similar density have done it), the money is better spent on roads, nobody will use it, make it pay for itself, no new taxes, blah blah blah.

mrnyc May 11, 2014 4:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Austinlee (Post 6572990)
4 stations... it wouldve been the same size as Pittsburgh's anemic system.

i dont think so. had it opened when originally intended it would be much more than that today. you dont stand still or go back when something like a subway system gets started up, you only go forward. someday the streetcar light rail system cinci is now building may find a way to incorporate the tunnel. once its a success and shuts the critics down that is. even if not, of course its always going to be there, so i would never count it out.

Centropolis May 11, 2014 12:32 PM

st louis re-used a freight tunnel under downtown to run subwayed light rail, i wonder how many other cities could do the same. also, im pretty sure st louis had elevated passenger rail tracks downtown at one point. you can still see elevated interurban north of downtown thats being turned into an elevated bike trail.

Hamilton May 11, 2014 9:23 PM

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Originally Posted by emathias (Post 6534030)
Also, Newark has a subway and there are subway PATH stops in places like Jersey City. I'm not familiar enough with PATH or New Jersey to name any other cities that might have one underground PATH station, though.

Hudson Bergen Light Rail: Union City has one underground stop (Bergenline Ave). I believe it's ~150 feet below the Palisades.

PATH: Hoboken has one underground stop (Hoboken Terminal) and Jersey City has 3-4 underground stops (Newport, Exchange Pl, Grove St, and, debatably, Journal Square)

Newark City Subway (aka Newark Light Rail): Newark has 4 underground stops (Warren St, Washington St, Military Park, and Newark Penn Station)

Mezter May 13, 2014 12:41 AM

The closest thing we have to a subway in Denver is the Airport subway system. lol

bnk May 13, 2014 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CCs77 (Post 6534290)
That is because Metra, as that extract forma Wikipedia says, is considered commuter rail. In Chicago, the system considered as urban heavy rail AKA metro (which is a better word that subway since can be either subway, elevated or at ground level)

Here is the list of commuter rail systems in the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_by_ridership

Thanks for that link it was informative. I haven't checked back on this thread in a while so sorry about the old bump.

jmecklenborg Dec 17, 2021 5:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ColDayMan (Post 6535652)
Cincinnati has four subway stations that are currently being used by Casper, Slimer, and George Burns.

A fake NYC subway station entrance appeared this week on Vine St. in Cincinnati, about four blocks from one of its never-used subway stations.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Busy Bee Dec 17, 2021 6:42 PM

Probably for a film shoot.

towerpower123 Jan 1, 2022 8:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hamilton (Post 6573514)
Hudson Bergen Light Rail: Union City has one underground stop (Bergenline Ave). I believe it's ~150 feet below the Palisades.

PATH: Hoboken has one underground stop (Hoboken Terminal) and Jersey City has 3-4 underground stops (Newport, Exchange Pl, Grove St, and, debatably, Journal Square)

Newark City Subway (aka Newark Light Rail): Newark has 4 underground stops (Warren St, Washington St, Military Park, and Newark Penn Station)

Camden has 2 underground PATCO stations, a line that like PATH, runs 24/7

SFBruin Jan 1, 2022 9:51 PM

I assume OP means metro areas.

"Subway" could probably be defined as either underground rapid transit, underground rail of any type, or rapid transit of any orientation.

Although, I am assuming that OP means the latter (so, for example, Miami would count).

craigs Jan 2, 2022 2:31 AM

Edit: I was mistaken about San Jose having an underground light rail stop at the intermodal Diridon station currently (it has a tunnel under the Amtrak and commuter railroads there but the station is at ground level), but if all goes according to plan, there will also eventually be an underground BART station at Diridon as well.

Quixote Jan 3, 2022 5:10 PM

LA:

16 existing (heavy rail)
16 under construction (7 heavy rail, 9 light rail)

MAC123 Jan 3, 2022 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Quixote (Post 9491881)
LA:

16 existing (heavy rail)
16 under construction (7 heavy rail, 9 light rail)

Let's hope this increases substantially.

mrnyc Jan 3, 2022 5:27 PM

gone, but not forgotten!


the private fort worth leonards/tandy center subway.

it had an underground station.

1963-2002 rip.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_Center_Subway

https://pantherislandcc.com/v2/wp-co...nard-photo.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n19N5M2PBq...0/ftw-lr03.jpg



the nyc beach pneumatic subway.

1870-1873

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Beach_Pneumatic_Transit

https://cdn.cms.prod.nypr.digital/im...ll-661x496.jpg

Steely Dan Jan 3, 2022 6:55 PM

the CTA el system has 112 route miles (not including the purple line's express run to the loop because it's a rush-hour only service, only the full service section of the purple line through evanston/wilmette is included here).


here's a break down of the route miles by ROW type:

elevated (structured): 49.0 miles (44%)

expressway median: 27.6 miles (25%)

elevated (embankment): 17.8 miles (16%)

subway: 10.7 miles (10%)

at-grade: 5.6 miles (5%)

open trench: 1.3 miles (1%)


100% of the el system runs in dedicated ROW, and 95% of that is fully grade separated from street-crossings, but there are places at the extreme ends of 4 of the el lines where the el has at-grade street-crossings, most of them out in the burbs:

6 at the end of the brown line in albany park/lincoln square
10 at the end of the pink line in lawndale/suburban cicero
7 at the end of the yellow line in suburban skokie
2 at the end of the purple line up in suburban wilmette

24 total at-grade street crossing on the el system




the el system has 146 stations (each station is counted only once here, many are used by multiple lines, like the loop stations):

elevated/embankment stations: 88 (60%)

expressway median stations: 25 (17%)

subway stations: 22 (15%)

at grade stations: 11 (8%)




so depending on if you're talking route miles or # of stations, roughly 10 - 15% of the CTA el system is "subwayed", and the VAST majority of that (19 of the 22 subway stations) is comprised of the red and blue line subway runs underneath downtown.

craigs Jan 3, 2022 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Quixote (Post 9491881)
LA:

16 existing (heavy rail)
16 under construction (7 heavy rail, 9 light rail)

Are there no existing light rail stations underground?

homebucket Jan 3, 2022 7:38 PM

Within SF proper, BART has 7 subway stations, and Muni Metro currently has 9 subway stations (soon to be 12), for a total of 16 (soon to be 19).

LosAngelesSportsFan Jan 3, 2022 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by craigs (Post 9492054)
Are there no existing light rail stations underground?

There are 2 i believe on the gold line east

DirectionNorth Jan 3, 2022 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by craigs (Post 9492054)
Are there no existing light rail stations underground?

Mariachi and Soto station on the L (future E) line are both underground. Memorial Park station (also on the L, future A) line is a maybe.

craigs Jan 3, 2022 8:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan (Post 9492062)
There are 2 i believe on the gold line east

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Originally Posted by DirectionNorth (Post 9492072)
Mariachi and Soto station on the L (future E) line are both underground. Memorial Park station (also on the L, future A) line is a maybe.

So would that make it 16 existing heavy rail and 2 existing light rail stations underground, with 7 more heavy rail and 9 more light rail stations under construction?

mhays Jan 3, 2022 8:45 PM

Seattle has nine subway stations on the current Link line, including two that opened in October.

None of the underway Link extensions plan subway stations, but East Link will have two tunnels (Mt. Baker and Downtown Bellevue), and three stations just outside those.

Likewise, our commuter rail and Amtrak use a tunnel through Downtown, but their station is just south of it.

Future Link extensions (mostly funded) will have some additional tunnel stations but the alignments are being worked out. Downtown will get a third transit tunnel.

homebucket Jan 3, 2022 9:08 PM

SF also has 2 subway stations (4th & Townsend and Salesforce Transit Center) in the pipeline for Caltrain and 1 for CAHSR (Salesforce Transit Center) as part of a Downtown Rail Extension project via a 1.3 mile tunnel from the existing 4th & King station.

dktshb Jan 3, 2022 9:51 PM

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Originally Posted by craigs (Post 9492099)
So would that make it 16 existing heavy rail and 2 existing light rail stations underground, with 7 more heavy rail and 9 more light rail stations under construction?

The Long Beach and Santa Monica lines share an underground station at 7th and metro.

jmecklenborg Jan 3, 2022 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Austinlee (Post 6572990)
4 stations... it wouldve been the same size as Pittsburgh's anemic system.

Cincinnati's subway, as-built, has three stations (Race St., Liberty St., Brighton Corner). Wall cutouts (but not platform boxes) were built for a fourth station at Mohawk Corner.

The existing cheaply built 2-mile canal subway was intended to extend southward under Walnut St. as a traditional cut-and-cover (requiring extensive underpinning and utility relocation) with a single, very busy station situated between 4th and 5th St. The line was planned to surface onto an el over Pearl St. (now I-71 Ft. Washington Way) with a single elevated station at Butler St., near the north approach to the L&N railroad bridge.

Cincinnati also has the Riverfront Transit Center, which is a very large underground transit facility built to accommodate future rail, but which has only handled buses since it opened in 2003.

jmecklenborg Jan 3, 2022 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 6573100)
i dont think so. had it opened when originally intended it would be much more than that today. you dont stand still or go back when something like a subway system gets started up, you only go forward. someday the streetcar light rail system cinci is now building may find a way to incorporate the tunnel. once its a success and shuts the critics down that is. even if not, of course its always going to be there, so i would never count it out.

I think people would be surprised to see just how big-time Cincinnati's plan was. It was built to the same specs as Boston's Red Line but several existing surface interurban lines were expected to convert to run their equipment directly onto the city-owned railway. So imagine the Mattapan High Speed line and the like converting to operate directly onto the Red Line, but several examples of that. If Cincinnati's system would have broken ground 2-3 years earlier it would have been completed (the WWI delay + resulting devaluation of gold caused the budget problems) and it would be one of the most unique systems in the United States.

SFBruin Jan 4, 2022 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Austinlee (Post 6572990)
4 stations... it wouldve been the same size as Pittsburgh's anemic system.

I feel like Pittsburgh designed its subway system to avoid as many people as possible.

Either that, or there are a lot more people in the south side of the metro than I realize.

jmecklenborg Jan 4, 2022 8:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SFBruin (Post 9492982)
I feel like Pittsburgh designed its subway system to avoid as many people as possible.

Either that, or there are a lot more people in the south side of the metro than I realize.

Pittsburgh's current system wasn't "designed".

Obadno Jan 4, 2022 10:22 PM

Phoenix has no underground stations, But the airport line that runs from 44th/street and Washington to The Rental Car center has both elevated stations and some trenched rail sections :shrug:

Not technically mass transit but its open to the public and is connected directly to the main light rail line.

SIGSEGV Jan 4, 2022 11:27 PM

If counting municipalities with underground stations, we have these non-central municipalities I can find:

(MTA/PATH/Newark Subway, HBL)
Hoboken, NJ
Jersey City, NJ
Newark, NJ (ok, kind of a central municipality)

(MBTA)
Cambridge, MA
Somerville, MA

(PATCO)
Camden, PA

(WMATA, don't know this system well, coudl have missed some)
Forest Glen, MD
Silver Spring, MD
Capol Heights, MD
Bethesda, MD
Arlington, VA

(MARTA, don't know this system well, could have missed some)
Decatur, GA

(BART)
Oakland (ok, kind of a central municipality)
Berkeley
San Bruno ?
San Jose

(Metrolink)
University City?

Antares41 Jan 5, 2022 7:30 PM

Buffalo's light rail system has 8 underground stations that run under Main Street from Theater District to UB South Campus.

tech12 Jan 6, 2022 9:05 PM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9492144)
SF also has 2 subway stations (4th & Townsend and Salesforce Transit Center) in the pipeline for Caltrain and 1 for CAHSR (Salesforce Transit Center) as part of a Downtown Rail Extension project via a 1.3 mile tunnel from the existing 4th & King station.

Also, there are plans to extend the Market Street subway all the way to SFSU/Park Merced, rather than having it end at West Portal as it currently does. So that would be a few more subway stations. Maybe 3 or 4?

Then there's the potential future extension of the central subway, which would add at least one more station, in North Beach, as well as the new BART transbay tube (when they finally build it in 500 years), which would probably include at least one more station in SF (or many more, if they include a new subway down Geary/19th avenue).

austin242 Jan 18, 2022 9:10 PM

Austin has 5 possibly 6 underground stations planned after our $7billion project connect passed.
https://projectconnect.com/docs/libr...rsn=768e4c75_2


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