FYI: Los Angeles Times article on the long lost dutch-themed chocolate shop.
http://imageshack.us/a/img651/5505/a...opsurvives.jpg latimes here's the link. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,4132257.story |
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DWP Historical notes: "By December the only hold-up was the delayed arrival of the dynamo and lamps. In growing anticipation, the citizens anxiously awaited the moment in history when the first streetlights would illuminate the night skies of Los Angeles. That moment came on December 30, 1882 before an admiring crowd of spectators. Mayor Toberman threw a switch at twenty minutes past eight, simultaneously lighting two mast tops, one at Main and Commercial and the other at First and Hill." "An account in the Express newspaper at the time, recounted the historic event in this way: “The Main Street light burned steadily and beautifully and it cast a light similar to that of the full moon on snow. The First Street light was very unsteady, glowing at times with brilliancy and again almost fading from sight. The only complaint so far is from young couples who find no shady spots on the way home from church or theatre.”" "By the following evening, five more masts were lighted on First Street and Boyle Avenue; Avenue 22 and North Broadway; First Street and Central Avenue; Fourth Street and Grand Avenue; and Sixth and Main Streets." The only question is which is the older pic and although it's hard to tell, the image from my earlier post (the second in your post) is what is used in the DWP archives as being the original mast. How these arc masts were modified and how many more of them were installed around the city isn't clear. I haven't been able to find any more information on these early lights. But we do know that ornamental posts, what we typically think of as 'streetlights', weren't installed until 1905. So one might deduce, over the years from 1883 to 1905, the old arc lights and their masts proliferated and were modified as new technology became available. Hence the appearance of 'out of place' arc lights. But the location of the original seven is pretty well established. Again from the DWP Historical notes: " In May 1905, the first ornamental post system in the city was introduced on Broadway between First and Main Streets. This installation consisted of 135 posts each equipped with six small glass globes, enclosing 16 candle-power lamps, and one large glass globe, enclosing a 32 candle-power lamp. This system operated until 1919 when it was demolished to make way for a more modern system." And yes, your obsessiveness is noted. You're a perfect fit around here. |
Not the same mast. Notice the mushroom or rivet shaped joint visible at the same level between the 2nd and 3rd floor of the St. Charles absent from the first photo. The older mast with climbing struts doesn't have that feature.
Look closer. I suspect the newer version was collapsible telescopically at least by half for servicing. ...and furthermore, what do you see beyond the dried-out yucca stems in this Campo Santo photo from 1890? I calculate this lighting mast (no climbing struts) to be nearly center (maybe north-western edged) to the Plaza. Different from the Plaza church rectory fronted "climbing" mast shown earlier. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-3868B?v=hr http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-3868B?v=hr |
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I see you've added a picture. What do I see? I don't know what I see. It may be a mast mounted arc light or not. Your powers of interpretation are way better than mine. I see what you are saying but I don't see enough visual evidence to come up with all your backstory. It's a tall, thin pole with a small cross member near the top. That's it from this end. Oh, by the way, I really like this picture. Back to you. |
The first story I heard was that a guy on horseback would ride around every day to replace the 12" electrodes which were placed end to end. Every day.
per: Fortune Favors the Brave - The Life and Times of Maj. Horace Bell. (get it - read it). I believe it's wrong because 12" of carbon electrode doesn't burn out in a night. I believe they adjusted the gap every day. The gap will for sure change because of the intense heat causing the ends to burn back regardless of any stabilizing feature. The nature, design and very name of arch-light depends on gap. This gap must be maintained accurately to get the maximum effect. Harris Newmark (1834-1916) in his book "Sixty Years in Southern California" might have a few words to say about this. Get that and read that too. (available on-line as are Maj. Horace Bells books "Reminiscences of a Ranger: Or, Early Times in Southern California" and On the Old West Coast, Being Further Reminiscences of a Ranger |
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Shulman City Hall image revisited
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los angeles city hall, julius shulman 1933 reference marked I've chosen and marked two points of reference on this image. One is the southernmost corner of the Hall of Records where it appears just above the International Exchange and Savings Bank (marked with a red dot). Secondly, I've chosen the ninth verticle window (technically this is actually the tenth verticle window but I'm discounting the verticle window closest to the corner of the building) in the Hall of Justice where it appears directly above the cupola of the Baker Block (again a red dot). Using those points of reference, I've now laid out an azimuth from each point on this 1927 image of the civic center... http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7250/7...5b42571b_o.jpg los angeles civic center 1927 with reference which gives us this intersection which seems to correspond to the Aliso side of the main train platform at Union Station. This is admittedly a somewhat imprecise method but I think it gives a good approximation of Mr. Shulman's likely position. Staying with the red dot theme, here is, approximately speaking, Mr. Shulman's spot. I think. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7...bc9e2671_o.jpg los angeles union station, julius shulman Actually, I think the little structure on top of the train platform wasn't there when Mr. Shulman exposed his film. I think the rebar we see in the image was going to be used to anchor this structure. So he was standing back from the front edge looking across the foot print of this little building. |
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Are you implying that the toddler should be wearing a helmet? :rolleyes: _____________________ Elephants have a long history with noirish Los Angeles. Here they stroll down Broadway heading toward Third St., ca. 1905 http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics46/00072760.jpg At the beach, in compliance with LA's leash laws. (Date and location unknown) http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics36/00067862.jpg Taking advantage of Mueller Bros. Car Wash, 6380 Sunset Boulevard (date unknown) Tuesday is "Lady Elephant day, Half Price!" (no coupons accepted - void where prohibited by law): http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics36/00067880.jpg _______________________ Child's play. Don't try this at home! Selig Zoo's carefully planned regimen of work and play prepares both toddler and juvenile pachyderm for strenuous demands of adulthood! http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics30/00064944.jpg http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics36/00067874.jpg http://jpg1.lapl.org/00089/00089114.jpg _______________________ Is there really any doubt that elephants can be man's best friend? http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics20/00019646.jpg Helping keep Selig Zoo presentable, or hamming it up (an impromptu audition for a role in the Wizard of Oz)? http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics36/00067867.jpg all photos from lapl |
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1969, yes it is a crash site! (Adjacent to Burbank/Bob Hope Airport) http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077883.jpglapl http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics22/00030794.jpglapl http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2335/...294cec16d7.jpggoogle http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5305/5...a34fd371_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com 1962 http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics47/00043161.jpglapl http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tkm9v4opNG...ulpture+09.jpghttp://mixedmeters.com/2009/10/milli...sculpture.html |
Broadway heading toward Third St., ca. 1905
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics46/00072760.jpg lapl _______________________ Awning proliferation = need for shade? (Shadows and overcoats may indicate cool weather or just the trend to overdress.) One or two shade trees too much of a nuisance? :( More awnings on Broadway, 1939 http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...2-43-ISLA?v=hrUSC digital A view of Eight street, circa 1920, that may not have been posted here before: http://www.photographium.com/sites/d...rnia._1920.jpg http://www.photographium.com/8th-str...alifornia-1920 |
Wonderful shot of Fifth and Olive Streets, circa 1910. HandsomeStranger posted a smaller version here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4301 I don't generally associate the orb laden street lighting with LA. Captures a pre-noir era that it hard to appreciate. At least I see some vegetation on the right!;)
http://www.photographium.com/sites/d...rnia._1910.jpg http://www.photographium.com/5th-str...alifornia-1910 Take a peek inside Clunes? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5305/5...03aae921_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/theatre...3586/lightbox/ |
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http://www.wedding.jabezphotography....dge-2396-S.jpggooglehttp://bsl.lacity.org/Bsllogo6.gifhttp://farm1.staticflickr.com/22/300...5f4b7fa8_z.jpghttp://www.flickr.comhttp://www.perkeyfineart.com/blog/wp...ban-lights.jpghttp://www.google.com/ _________________________________ Wondering about the Liberty Theater, which may or may not have been at 136 S. Main Street. The image below (note street light) indicates Third and Main, but printing mistakes have been known to happen and businesses can move to a different locations. The '15 directory lists residences of several Liberty Theater employees, but not the theater itself. Splitting the distance, the '23 directory lists the Liberty Theater's Manager at 266 S. Main. http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...ch_doc=theater The source notes for this post card indicate it bears a 1918 postmark and is addressed to a party in New York. http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3088/5...99d12c0c_b.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/theatreposts/5716622361 Cinema Treasures pegs this theater at First and Main: http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/3878/ Some of the posts seem supportive of this address and suggest Lady Liberty shed some of her inhibitions on First Street. http://tinyurl.com/3xubse |
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http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Kg8ewC_Tsr4sXA Could this be the same edifice? Beaudry and Sixth? http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/sixthstreet.jpghttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2716 |
I couldn't find the original of that modified photo, but I did find this similar view that's pretty darned awesome. Look closely at the high-res version (link below). There's actually advertising on the lower portion of the arc light mast! (It looks like 'REID'S' to me.)
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/800px-...opic_views.jpg Wikimedia Commons (High-res 2737x1613 version here.) And here's perhaps the original version of a previously-posted pic of Temple and Main c.1880. In this stereoscopic view, you can clearly see the top of the U.S. Hotel's four-storey-tall flag pole. https://otters.net/img/lanoir/800px-..._H_T_Henry.jpg Wikimedia Commons (High-res 2737x1446 version here.) -Scott |
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How about the "Currier and Ives" treatment? Date unk. Can almost hear sleigh bells in the background. :rolleyes: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5148/5...5347aa1b_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/theatreposts Auditorium under construction, ca. '06 http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1280/1...570d108b_o.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/ Unvarnished version, ca 1910: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...T-BUI-235?v=hrUSC Digital Source dates these as "1905." http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-14560?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-14561?v=hrUSC Digital https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...0streetcar.jpg and http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8776 |
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