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Skyguy_7 Sep 26, 2017 7:43 PM

^ DO NOT F THIS UP, Alderwhores. We citizens cannot afford even the slightest hiccup.

Vlajos Sep 26, 2017 7:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 7933998)
^ DO NOT F THIS UP, Alderwhores. We citizens cannot afford even the slightest hiccup.

Zoning should be kept far out of aldermanic hands. Get rid of 40 of these chumps and then I might be ok with them having a say.

the urban politician Sep 26, 2017 8:06 PM

Read the article. The hang up isn't over zoning

west-town-brad Sep 26, 2017 8:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7 (Post 7933998)
^ DO NOT F THIS UP, Alderwhores. We citizens cannot afford even the slightest hiccup.

Like the rush to sell the parking meters... I think we left $1 Billion or more on the table? No need to rush the sale of city assets.... unless an insider is getting some sort of benefit.

Via Chicago Sep 26, 2017 8:18 PM

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highlighted a bid that was higher than Sterling Bay's
this is a legitimate concern

chicago dosent exactly have a great track record with its sales of assets.

the urban politician Sep 26, 2017 8:57 PM

Maybe this is a ploy to get Sterling Bay to cough up more money?

SammisAran Sep 26, 2017 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bcp (Post 7933813)
not sure what they are thinking - it will forever be called "Goose Island"

Maybe mash it up... Gooseland Yards


regarding express - didn't know it but we already have one (albeit no quite from the loop). I have been on the blue once (and seen one fly by Division Station once) when it went from Cali to O'hare - zero stops. Was awesome, took 12 minutes. Seems rare, but even the signage on the train switched to "Express" - anybody know about this or if they are scheduled?

I'd imagine they'd run into some legal issues with the brewesry if they tried to brand the development "Goose Island". They might be able to get away with Lincoln Yard at/on Goose Island, but that's a mouthful.

BVictor1 Sep 26, 2017 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bcp (Post 7933813)
not sure what they are thinking - it will forever be called "Goose Island"

Maybe mash it up... Gooseland Yards


regarding express - didn't know it but we already have one (albeit no quite from the loop). I have been on the blue once (and seen one fly by Division Station once) when it went from Cali to O'hare - zero stops. Was awesome, took 12 minutes. Seems rare, but even the signage on the train switched to "Express" - anybody know about this or if they are scheduled?

This is north of Goose Island.

Randomguy34 Sep 26, 2017 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Via Chicago (Post 7934038)
this is a legitimate concern

chicago dosent exactly have a great track record with its sales of assets.

Onni Group's bud was $10 million higher, but they said they'd close the deal in 12-17 months. Sterling Bay said they'd close it within 120 days. While $10 million less, Sterling Bay's offer was a much safer play

left of center Sep 26, 2017 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 7934261)
Onni Group's bud was $10 million higher, but they said they'd close the deal in 12-17 months. Sterling Bay said they'd close it within 120 days. While $10 million less, Sterling Bay's offer was a much safer play

Considering Amazon's time frame for HQ2, this is definitely the safer play. I'm pretty sure even the aldermorons can figure that out, considering what is possibly at stake here. It would be pretty tough to win reelection if you are the reason Amazon skipped Chicago for another city. Then again, I might be putting too much faith in the electorate of our fair city :)

the urban politician Sep 27, 2017 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by left of center (Post 7934279)
Considering Amazon's time frame for HQ2, this is definitely the safer play. I'm pretty sure even the aldermorons can figure that out, considering what is possibly at stake here. It would be pretty tough to win reelection if you are the reason Amazon skipped Chicago for another city. Then again, I might be putting too much faith in the electorate of our fair city :)

I just don't see this as the prime contender for HQ2 for reasons we have discussed before at length. But if we insist on this being such, then Rahm can pull a Daley and steamroll the Alderman in order to get the votes he needs to push this through.

How badly he pushes for this would be a good indicator of whether he sees this as a fitting site for Amazon and whether Amazon takes interest in it.

left of center Sep 27, 2017 2:46 AM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 7934438)
I just don't see this as the prime contender for HQ2 for reasons we have discussed before at length. But if we insist on this being such, then Rahm can pull a Daley and steamroll the Alderman in order to get the votes he needs to push this through.

How badly he pushes for this would be a good indicator of whether he sees this as a fitting site for Amazon and whether Amazon takes interest in it.

Personally I think that the OPO is the best option for HQ2, but its not going to be what Rahm, you or I think is the best site. Bezos is going to choose in the end. Its much better to offer him multiple excellent sites in the city, instead of putting all our eggs in one basket.

Get the property into the hands of a seasoned developer that knows whats at stake and knows how not to fumble a development of this scale. The rest is then up to forces outside our control.

west-town-brad Sep 27, 2017 2:32 PM

wouldn't selling to an adjacent property owner demand a higher price tag, not lower? I've always heard that continuous property control has a higher value, not less.

Khantilever Sep 27, 2017 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by west-town-brad (Post 7934749)
wouldn't selling to an adjacent property owner demand a higher price tag, not lower? I've always heard that continuous property control has a higher value, not less.

It's important to keep in mind that any sealed-bid process is going to have some randomness and strategic behavior (this wasn't a strategy-proof sealed-bid second-price auction, after all), so we cannot necessarily infer bidders' private values from their bids.

ardecila Sep 27, 2017 8:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 7934020)
Read the article. The hang up isn't over zoning

As much as I like competitive bidding, I think the public wins here when the city is able to coordinate planning with a single master developer.

City planners are expecting Sterling Bay to take the lead in funding and building new infrastructure for the area. Currently it seems like SB's plan includes a new north/south bridge linking Southport to Throop, and another pedestrian bridge at Wisconsin. If the 2FM site goes to another developer and not to Sterling Bay, what incentive does Sterling Bay have to pay for infrastructure that enriches their rival?

The end result would be two isolated pods of development on opposite sides of the river, with no new infrastructure linking them or easing traffic on the choked streets in this area.

Randomguy34 Nov 21, 2017 9:29 PM

Well this is encouraging news

United Soccer League expansion team coming to North Side site proposed for Amazon's HQ2
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By Ryan Ori
A new professional soccer team plans to begin playing on Chicago’s North Side within three years, at one of the sites proposed for Amazon’s second headquarters.

Developer Sterling Bay has bought a United Soccer League expansion team to play in its planned sports and entertainment stadium along the Chicago River, with the goal of beginning play in the 2020 season, Sterling Bay Managing Principal Andy Gloor said. Sterling Bay and other investors will own and operate the USL team, Gloor said.

It remains to be seen how the USL, a professional league one level below Major League Soccer, will fare in Chicago. But there is a passionate soccer fan base within the city, and many supporters of the sport have lamented the MLS Chicago Fire’s location in southwest suburban Bridgeview, as well as the team’s struggle to stay relevant in a market that includes teams in each of the major sports.

“There are a lot of cities that have two soccer teams,” Gloor said. “New York and Los Angeles have two MLS teams. They can co-exist in a city the size of Chicago.”

Specific details of the Skidmore, Owings & Merrill-designed stadium are still being fine-tuned, but the venue is expected to have a retractable roof and about 20,000 seats. Gloor said. A retractable roof will allow the stadium to be used for events year-round, potentially including international soccer matches, college football and basketball games, concerts and other events, Gloor said.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...121-story.html

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5a147e08/t...ge/750/750x422

left of center Nov 21, 2017 9:59 PM

This new soccer team looks primed to eat the Fire's lunch. Hopefully its successful and kick jumps the Fire to move back into the city from the industrial suburb they play in now.

Domer2019 Nov 21, 2017 10:46 PM

The Fire's contract with Bridgeview/Toyota Park is so jaw-droppingly bad that I can't see any upside to this development or the prospect of finding a separate, closer site for that organization. I'm honestly just rooting for the USL team to suck up the Fire's attendance so much that they fold, leaving the MLS to invite the USL club in. I don't think it's likely we see anything other than A) an extremely financially troubled Bridgeview Fire, B) a Fire that sustains popularity under a mountain of debt after relocation, or C) they gone.

ithakas Nov 21, 2017 10:48 PM

I'm assuming this is being privately financed? Sterling Bay must be feeling pretty confident about the area if they're buying a franchise and building them a stadium...

left of center Nov 21, 2017 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer2019 (Post 7993873)
The Fire's contract with Bridgeview/Toyota Park is so jaw-droppingly bad that I can't see any upside to this development or the prospect of finding a separate, closer site for that organization. I'm honestly just rooting for the USL team to suck up the Fire's attendance so much that they fold, leaving the MLS to invite the USL club in. I don't think it's likely we see anything other than A) an extremely financially troubled Bridgeview Fire, B) a Fire that sustains popularity under a mountain of debt after relocation, or C) they gone.

I thought that the Fire had a sweetheart deal with the village of Bridgeview. The town is on the hook for the entire cost of the stadium (construction and maintenance), which has caused the municipal portion of the local property taxes to more than double over the last decade since its construction.


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