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emathias Feb 15, 2008 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Abner (Post 3356827)
Maybe we can hope that borrowing against future federal funding makes a little more sense now that we can potentially look forward to an administration change and an end to this funding desert.

Once that's over, I hope we can move on to a funding dessert ... mmm, sweet, sweet, fundsicles ...

OhioGuy Feb 15, 2008 6:44 PM

Is this map from Chicago-l.org still fairly representative of the circle line's planned routing?

http://www.chicago-l.org/articles/images/circleline.jpg

Marcu Feb 15, 2008 7:39 PM

Do they ever plan on overhauling the far north side leg of the red line? Is that heavily used part of the system really in better shape than the Englewood branch? Other than Howard Street which has seen continous work for the past 5 years or so, most of the stations need work. And the slow zones are at times unbearable. Will I live til the day when Howard to Lake is a 30 minute commute?

Eventually...Chicago Feb 15, 2008 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 3355844)

I wonder if this has anything to do with Daley's meeting with President Bush a short while back.

"Hey George, we're trying to get the Olympics so I need some extra cash for the CTA. Oh, and can Congress hurry up and pass that anti-doping law?"

"Sure Dick. Now lets go have that pint of Guinness and some chicken fingers"

i don't think so! Daley is irish so he probably just threatened to beat the shit out of him. ;)

Eventually...Chicago Feb 15, 2008 8:20 PM

personally the thing i wish the would do the most is the bus tracking system, like they do with the 20 madison. If users of the CTA could know exactly where busses are, it would make even a late running bus reliable because you can figure out alternative means and accurately chose the shortest trip.

For example, i'm near 13th and michigan and every morning i go to union station. If i could tell right away, if the #1 bus is coming in the next few minutes i would know whether i should instead take the EL or the 127 circulator.

k1052 Feb 15, 2008 8:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcu (Post 3357119)
Do they ever plan on overhauling the far north side leg of the red line? Is that heavily used part of the system really in better shape than the Englewood branch? Other than Howard Street which has seen continous work for the past 5 years or so, most of the stations need work. And the slow zones are at times unbearable. Will I live til the day when Howard to Lake is a 30 minute commute?

They've been doing some track work on the Howard branch already, hopefully this means there is much more to come. It is among the lines slated (according to this) for further work. IIRC, the Englewood has serious structural and track deficiencies. You aren't going to see station overhauls on the Howard branch unless they get a LOT more money.

When three tracking finishes up and if/when they clear up the worst of the slow zones (north of Sheridan to Addison) things should improve quite a bit on the Red Line. The work they've from Clark Junction down though the State street subway already makes a world of difference. I never thought I'd see a travel time of less than 15 minutes from Belmont to Lake.

VivaLFuego Feb 15, 2008 8:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcu (Post 3357119)
Do they ever plan on overhauling the far north side leg of the red line? Is that heavily used part of the system really in better shape than the Englewood branch? Other than Howard Street which has seen continous work for the past 5 years or so, most of the stations need work. And the slow zones are at times unbearable. Will I live til the day when Howard to Lake is a 30 minute commute?

There's a contract currently out to bid for major trackwork along the North Main and Ravenswood branches that will remove all track-related slow zones. I think the idea is to build the Purple Express tracks to a 65 or 70mph standard, at least along their straightaways, as well.

Of course, as you point out, many of the North Main's stations and viaducts are in sorry shape, and alot more capital money will be needed before those are taken care of. Some work will be done sprucing them up...patching concrete in the viaducts, paint jobs, etc. I think there is a project currently underway thats completely replacing the canopies and light fixtures at Argyle, Berwyn, Bryn Mawr, Thorndale, Morse, and Jarvis, but I'm not sure where progress is on that.

VivaLFuego Feb 15, 2008 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eventually...Chicago (Post 3357216)
personally the thing i wish the would do the most is the bus tracking system, like they do with the 20 madison. If users of the CTA could know exactly where busses are, it would make even a late running bus reliable because you can figure out alternative means and accurately chose the shortest trip.

For example, i'm near 13th and michigan and every morning i go to union station. If i could tell right away, if the #1 bus is coming in the next few minutes i would know whether i should instead take the EL or the 127 circulator.

The hardware is currently being installed on the buses....this is a pretty major undertaking that has to proceed garage-by-garage. Basically includes putting in a cellular modem and Mobile Access Router (MAR) on the bus, which then has to be connected to the existing GPS tracking computer. I don't know the roll-out timeline, but I think alot of people underestimated the complexity involved in doing such a project systemwide on 2000+ buses operating on 150+ routes at 12000+ bus stops.

Abner Feb 15, 2008 9:34 PM

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Originally Posted by VivaLFuego (Post 3357288)
I think the idea is to build the Purple Express trains to a 65 or 70mph standard, at least along their straightaways, as well.

Wow, really?

Marcu Feb 16, 2008 1:56 AM

^ That sounds amazing. Howard to Belmont in 5-10 minutes.

OhioGuy Feb 16, 2008 2:42 AM

It took me just 11 minutes on the Red line to go from the Addison stop to the Chicago stop on Thursday. My cell phone said 5:06pm when I boarded and it was 5:17pm when we pulled into the Chicago station. Nice speed! :)

(I've never had a train conductor going soooooo quickly through the subway)

the urban politician Feb 16, 2008 2:51 AM

Viva, I just wanted to tell you that your insider transit info is highly appreciated

nomarandlee Feb 16, 2008 6:35 AM

Durbin raises questions about pending Chicago-area railway sale
 
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,2465105.story

Durbin raises questions about pending Chicago-area railway sale
More analysis needed on proposal, he says


By Richard Wronski | Tribune reporter
10:42 PM CST, February 15, 2008

U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin on Friday raised red flags about the pending sale of the Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway line that skirts the Chicago area, saying the sale poses potential risks to Amtrak routes and Metra's proposed STAR Line commuter service.

The Illinois Democrat urges the federal board that oversees railroad mergers to broaden an environmental impact analysis of the EJ&E sale and to hold additional public hearings to weigh potential economic losses to towns along Amtrak routes from Chicago through Champaign and Carbondale.

........Also on Friday, Canadian National officials released a letter sent to Durbin that promised to allow Amtrak to use the portion of its inner-city route that carries the passenger line "indefinitely" or until an alternative becomes available.

The railroad also said it is negotiating with Metra regarding the STAR Line "in the hope of resolving [concerns] to everyone's benefit."
Great Durbin, hope your not trying to hamper a much needed area development and upgrades just to appeal to an ill conceived expensive pet transit project.

Dr. Taco Feb 16, 2008 6:33 PM

hey, does anybody know if the city is planning on removing the defunct ramps on 90/94 where it goes right by the loop? aka randolph to 290... cuz that'd be a perfect way to get some more merge for the functional onramps that are quite suicidal right now

VivaLFuego Feb 17, 2008 12:22 AM

^I've wondered that too....I mean obviously that was the long term goal with eliminating every other on-ramp, but I wonder if that will have to wait until whatever federally-funded project actually totally replaces the roadbed for that stretch of 90/94.

UChicagoDomer Feb 18, 2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nomarandlee (Post 3358300)
Great Durbin, hope your not trying to hamper a much needed area development and upgrades just to appeal to an ill conceived expensive pet transit project.

so if the CN deal does go through, does mean that the tracks going east-west near 18th st. in the south loop will be abandoned (I had heard that the CN purchase would free up something near downtown and wasn't sure what exactly it was), and, if so, is that route being considered as a means to hook the Circle Line up with the Metra Electric?

Mr Downtown Feb 18, 2008 3:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UChicagoDomer (Post 3361951)
so if the CN deal does go through, does mean that the tracks going east-west near 18th st. in the south loop will be abandoned

Yes, if CN purchases the EJ&E, they would be able to abandon the St. Charles Air Line. But first someone has to figure out how to get Amtrak trains to and from the former IC north of Homewood.

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is that route being considered as a means to hook the Circle Line up with the Metra Electric?
Nope, no one other than me can see any reason whatsoever to keep an already dedicated, east-west, grade-separated rail line that connects several crucial assets in a rapidly growing part of the city. The folks from the planning and transportation agencies just look at me like I'm daft and say "well, it's only a few blocks from the Circle Line." Because, of course, CTA rail is the only rail transit there ever was or ever will be and, of course, the Circle Line will be open and running within months.

What possible reason could there ever be to run any trains differently than they ran in 1894? Well, there's the small problem that the office district is moving west, close to Union and Ogilvie, but farther and farther from Van Buren and Millennium. Running some Metra Electric trains into Union would help keep that line relevant to the region.

Instead, the city is intent on converting the SCAL into a greenway, with bike and ped trails. No one's ever explained how they intend for it to cross the Metra Rock Island tracks.

the urban politician Feb 18, 2008 5:35 PM

^ Abandoning the St Charles Air Line seems ill-conceived. The city should really take another look at that.

Am I correct that the Metra Electric is the only Metra Line that wouldn't be connected to the proposed Circle Line?

Abner Feb 18, 2008 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 3362095)
Nope, no one other than me can see any reason whatsoever to keep an already dedicated, east-west, grade-separated rail line that connects several crucial assets in a rapidly growing part of the city. The folks from the planning and transportation agencies just look at me like I'm daft and say "well, it's only a few blocks from the Circle Line." Because, of course, CTA rail is the only rail transit there ever was or ever will be and, of course, the Circle Line will be open and running within months.

What possible reason could there ever be to run any trains differently than they ran in 1894? Well, there's the small problem that the office district is moving west, close to Union and Ogilvie, but farther and farther from Van Buren and Millennium. Running some Metra Electric trains into Union would help keep that line relevant to the region.

Instead, the city is intent on converting the SCAL into a greenway, with bike and ped trails. No one's ever explained how they intend for it to cross the Metra Rock Island tracks.

That's interesting. How far west would the line be abandoned--up to the yard immediately west of the Dan Ryan? Would that have any effect on the tracks west of that point? Is there any possibility of any public input process before the decision is made on what to do with the line?

If it's realistic to run the Metra Electric into Union Station, it certainly seems like a better terminus than Millennium. Converting such a short line into a bike/pedestrian greenway doesn't seem to make that much sense.

Nowhereman1280 Feb 18, 2008 5:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioGuy (Post 3357908)
It took me just 11 minutes on the Red line to go from the Addison stop to the Chicago stop on Thursday. My cell phone said 5:06pm when I boarded and it was 5:17pm when we pulled into the Chicago station. Nice speed! :)

(I've never had a train conductor going soooooo quickly through the subway)

Yeah I know, I was on the train Thursday and actually got from Loyola Red to Chicago Red in less than 30 minutes I believe it was 26. They were hauling ass the whole way, it was wild.

Its been running really fast all weekend as well, it only took ~15 min last night to go from Sheridan to Chicago last night.


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