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Sep 24, 2017 3:50 AM |
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Originally Posted by biggus diggus
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I guess I was being too vague. Over the past few years the space between 5th and 7th has been built full of giant structures with nothing to offer anyone outside of those who work/learn in them and has therefore created a giant dead zone between Garfield and downtown. It didn't have to happen like that.
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There was already a dead zone there due to the combination of vacant lots and the hostile environment of 7th Street. If we had a time machine that could take us back decades so we could prevent the demolition of so much of the housing stock in Evans Churchill and the widening of 7th Street to six lanes, perhaps there could be an outcome more in line with your vision. Without that technology, it seems best to acknowledge that having big walls and loading docks along 7th Street hasn't killed street life because none existed there to begin with.
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Originally Posted by biggus diggus
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Have you ever attempted to use downtown as a playground (as so many wish it could be) and go out for a drink or dinner on foot if you live on the other side of 7th? It was never delightful but before we at least had the possibility and likelihood that the area could have been used by private developers but that's off the table. It will forever be a two block wide moat across the entire east end of downtown phoenix.
I'm not suggesting the biomedical campus shouldn't have happened, I just wish it could have been done in a way that better embraces the community and integrates itself into the fabric of the neighborhood. As of now, it's no better than the blank walls of the convention center.
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Those private developers are now beginning to step forward, but they probably never would have done so without the population brought by higher education. An increasing number of students and university employees are choosing to live in close proximity to campus. As a result, there's more demand for housing in the area, and more support for local businesses.
Some of the most outspoken urbanist critics of the higher ed presence in downtown Phoenix seem to hold unrealistic views of how universities interact with cities around the country. Some of the opinions I've heard wrongly suggest that most urban universities blend so seamlessly into the surrounding urban fabric that it's almost impossible to tell where city ends and university begins.
That may be true for NYU and a handful of other institutions, but for the most part, even the most urban universities have defined campuses. They blend into the city on their peripheries, but at their cores there is an area that is clearly aligned with the university. Having such a differentiation is helpful both for security purposes and in terms of creating institutional identity and pride.
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